It's not a revolving door is it?

[AllWeatherFan]

Hammerschmidt?

[getgrizzy]

explain a situation where a successful team won't have turnover in coaches. the head coach might stay on for a long time, but the assistants are constantly on the move as long. why would you pay someone more when you can get someone just as good for less?

[AllWeatherFan]

Explain a situation where Montana should pay its coaches less than any other FCS school.

[getgrizzy]

I'd point out that the previous coach had very little turnover on his staff.

"Very little" turnover? Schram went to Utah. 2 coaches went to Idaho, I think. Receiver coach left. Actually, I believe 2 receiver coaches left. O-line coach left. T. Hauck left. Strength coach left. esides the 2 coordinators and, was anyone on staff as a full coach for all of Hauck's 7 years. Brint or someone can probably sharpen this up a bit.

As well as the comments about this level of turnover being normal or unavoidable

do you not follow any other teams? or did you just move here from another planet? watch espn. log on to footballscoop.com. get yourself informed david2.

[getgrizzy]

Explain a situation where Montana should pay its coaches less than any other FCS school.

what? why would we pay them less? looks like we're paying them just right. we're winning. the pay formula seems to be perfect.

[WaGriz4life]

I gues neither does

I'd point out that the previous coach had very little turnover on his staff.

"Very little" turnover? Schram went to Utah. 2 coaches went to Idaho, I think. Receiver coach left. Actually, I believe 2 receiver coaches left. O-line coach left. T. Hauck left. Strength coach left. esides the 2 coordinators and, was anyone on staff as a full coach for all of Hauck's 7 years. Brint or someone can probably sharpen this up a bit.

As well as the comments about this level of turnover being normal or unavoidable

do you not follow any other teams? or did you just move here from another planet? watch espn. log on to footballscoop.com. get yourself informed david2.

God you are stupid. You don't think Ohio State had continuity in it's staff when Tressel was there Penn State didn't either Alabama doesn't now I guess LSU doesn't either The average length of stay of an Iowa assistant coach is 9.7 years!!! Don't try and tell me it doesn't exist anywhere. I can go on with more examples too if you like. And for your info having the vast majority of a staff together for 3 or 4 years would be considered great continuity at the FCS level. No one is suggesting all our coaches be here for 10 years, but doubling their salaries would certainly help keep them here a reasonable amount of time.

[WaGriz4life]

Explain a situation where Montana should pay its coaches less than any other FCS school.

what? why would we pay them less? looks like we're paying them just right. we're winning. the pay formula seems to be perfect.

WOW. Just when I thought you couldn't say anything dumber.

[TxGriz]

Until Montana starts paying real salaries to coaches, it'll be a revolving door.

And after that it will still be a revolving door. Coaching is an occupation where you move up or move out. Montana is fortunate that it can attract above average talent, the kind of talent that is marketable, which says more than the kind of talent that cannot get hired at larger high profile programs.

[wbtfg]

Until Montana starts paying real salaries to coaches, it'll be a revolving door.

And after that it will still be a revolving door. Coaching is an occupation where you move up or move out. Montana is fortunate that it can attract above average talent, the kind of talent that is marketable, which says more than the kind of talent that cannot get hired at larger high profile programs.

I guess the question is what is considered to be a real salary and what the barometer should be.

[PlayerRep]

If salaries were increased significantly for some of the key football coaches, then that would probably lead to salary increases for all football coaches. This would likely lead to salary increases for the men's and women's basketball coaches, as the salaries of coaches in these 3 sports seems to have been linked to some extent by UM (although not necessarily the same). Significant increases for these 3 sports would then probably result in an evaluation of the salaries for coaches in all of the other sports. This could be a large budget increase for UM athletics, like over half a million dollars but not one million.

[AllWeatherFan]

I guess the question is what is considered to be a real salary and what the barometer should be.

Exactly my point. The barometer is the market. If we expect to be a top-tier FCS team, we need to be in the top tier in terms of coaches’ salaries. Yes, it will cost some money.

[getgrizzy]

I gues neither does

"Very little" turnover? Schram went to Utah. 2 coaches went to Idaho, I think. Receiver coach left. Actually, I believe 2 receiver coaches left. O-line coach left. T. Hauck left. Strength coach left. esides the 2 coordinators and, was anyone on staff as a full coach for all of Hauck's 7 years. Brint or someone can probably sharpen this up a bit.

As well as the comments about this level of turnover being normal or unavoidable

do you not follow any other teams? or did you just move here from another planet? watch espn. log on to footballscoop.com. get yourself informed david2.

God you are stupid. You don't think Ohio State had continuity in it's staff when Tressel was there Penn State didn't either Alabama doesn't now I guess LSU doesn't either The average length of stay of an Iowa assistant coach is 9.7 years!!! Don't try and tell me it doesn't exist anywhere. I can go on with more examples too if you like. And for your info having the vast majority of a staff together for 3 or 4 years would be considered great continuity at the FCS level. No one is suggesting all our coaches be here for 10 years, but doubling their salaries would certainly help keep them here a reasonable amount of time.

stupid, eh? wow, iowa...real kick ass team there. looks like you just supported what i'm saying. alabama just lost mcelwain (again, check out sportscenter once in awhile). miles has been at lsu for 7 years, but his dc just 3 and his oc 5, qb coach just 1 year, rb coach 2 years, dline coach 3 years, s.t. coach 1 year. any other great examples, prof. hawking?

[garizzalies]

FYI, here's what Oday has to say on the subject re salaries (lifted from "ask the AD" article goGriz):

Question: Why are salaries at UM so much lower than FBS Division 1 schools, and even some schools in the FCS?

Answer: The recent escalation in salaries is the result of new multi-million dollar television contracts being paid to the major BCS conferences (Big Ten, SEC, ACC, Big 12, Pac 12 and Big East), as well as other large revenue streams being accorded to these schools through the NCAA men's basketball tournament and large ticket sale revenues. Institutions, themselves, are not paying the large salaries for the most part. At the FCS level, UM is in the upper third of salaries accorded to its head football coach and the pool of assistants. It should also be noted that coaches contracts are not always calculated the same across the board - and in the case of UM, there is additional compensation for incentive bonuses, camps monies, television contracts, etc., that supplement the base salary. That is not the case at many other FCS schools.

[Tokyogriz]

Montana would have to pay more $$, and it would have to move up or at least into a conference that actually had a real revenue stream to do so.

[getgrizzy]

At the FCS level, UM is in the upper third of salaries accorded to its head football coach and the pool of assistants. It should also be noted that coaches contracts are not always calculated the same across the board - and in the case of UM, there is additional compensation for incentive bonuses, camps monies, television contracts, etc., that supplement the base salary. That is not the case at many other FCS schools.

quoted for truth.

[AllWeatherFan]

FYI, here's what Oday has to say on the subject re salaries (lifted from "ask the AD" article goGriz):

At the FCS level, UM is in the upper third of salaries accorded to its head football coach and the pool of assistants. It should also be noted that coaches contracts are not always calculated the same across the board - and in the case of UM, there is additional compensation for incentive bonuses, camps monies, television contracts, etc., that supplement the base salary. That is not the case at many other FCS schools.

I believe that is true, and I also believe we can and should do better. Who among us would be satisfied if we placed in the top third of FCS programs every season?

[AZGrizFan]

FYI, here's what Oday has to say on the subject re salaries (lifted from "ask the AD" article goGriz):

At the FCS level, UM is in the upper third of salaries accorded to its head football coach and the pool of assistants. It should also be noted that coaches contracts are not always calculated the same across the board - and in the case of UM, there is additional compensation for incentive bonuses, camps monies, television contracts, etc., that supplement the base salary. That is not the case at many other FCS schools.

I believe that is true, and I also believe we can and should do better. Who among us would be satisfied if we placed in the top third of FCS programs every season?

Sounds to me like we're getting good return on our investment. Top 1/3 in salaries, top ten percent in performance every year.

[wbtfg]

FYI, here's what Oday has to say on the subject re salaries (lifted from "ask the AD" article goGriz):

At the FCS level, UM is in the upper third of salaries accorded to its head football coach and the pool of assistants. It should also be noted that coaches contracts are not always calculated the same across the board - and in the case of UM, there is additional compensation for incentive bonuses, camps monies, television contracts, etc., that supplement the base salary. That is not the case at many other FCS schools.

I believe that is true, and I also believe we can and should do better. Who among us would be satisfied if we placed in the top third of FCS programs every season?

Sounds to me like we're getting good return on our investment. Top 1/3 in salaries, top ten percent in performance every year.

Kind of what I was thinking...