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Griz getting ESPN props

Taylor is a great baller in the best conference in the country and I have no doubt he can carry a team.
Nick Fazikis was also an All American from Nevada but he ran into a Grizzly named Andrew Straight.
 
badger007 said:
PlayerRep said:
badger007 said:
PlayerRep said:
Cherry was the conference defensive MVP. He is lightning quick and very athletic. He is 6th in the nation in steals per game and blocks alot of shots. He is Montana's all-time steal leader, even though he is only a junior. Montana's other guard is 6'5". Both were first team all-conference.

I see that some sports analysts are indicating that Cherry can play with Taylor (or better). In a game over the weekend, a tv analyst listed Cherry as one of the five players in the tourney who could make a big difference in the tournament (or something like that).

You may want to do a bit more research, before making some of the declarations you're making.
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Jordan Taylor has seen great defenders before. Aaron Craft (Ohio State) is widely thought of as one of the best defensive point guards in the country and shot 75% from the field with 18 points just a few weeks ago against Ohio State. The season before, he single handedly brought Wisconsin back from 15 down to beat #1 Ohio State and put up 27 points.

Listen to the talking heads all you want, but they are just as susceptible to being wrong as anyone else (i.e. Doug Gottlieb picking against Wisconsin each season).

Cherry can take his Defensive Player of the Year in the Big Sky (25th best conference according to Sagarin) and I'll take a pre-season All-American and a first-team all-conference performer in the Big Ten (1st ranked conference according to Sagarin).

Jordan Taylor simply does not turn over the ball and is on pace to break the all-time NCAA assist-to-turnover ratio in a career. So, no, I don't think Will Cherry will get his steals. Just my opinion.

I just don't see any reason why I should pick against Taylor. He has been in the tournament all four years and knows what it takes to win on the big stage.
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You can pick Taylor all you want, but you don't have a clue about Cherry or Jamar or Montana--so your picking and puffing doesn't mean much, in my view.

Why is Taylor only 15th in the nation in turnover to assist ratio this year?

Why does Taylor have no blocks this year?

Why are Taylor's stats behind Cherry in scoring, shooting percentage, 3-pt shooting percentage, free throw percentage, rebounding, steals and block? Yes, we understand Taylor has more assists and fewer turnovers. Please don't try to tell us that Big 10 competition impacts free throw shooting percentage. Ha-ha.
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We're all speaking on perception since we have not been able to see each other's teams.

Why is Taylor ONLY 15th in assist-to-turnover ratio? What do you mean, only? You realize there are 345 Division I schools, correct? Where he is ranked is tremendous. Even more tremendous, his 3.83 ratio in 2010-2011 was far and away the highest in college basketball and it wasn't close.

Why doesn't Taylor have any blocks this year? I didn't know it was a pre-requisite for point guards to have blocks to be considered a good defender, but he was an all-conference defender as a junior and is part of a Wisconsin team that is first in the nation in scoring defense.

To this point in their careers, Taylor has accomplished much more than Cherry... and it's not close. We shall see what the outcome is on Thursday and I will gladly eat crow if it doesn't come out in my favor.
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Listen up 007. Player Rep is our imperious aficianado on everything Griz and unGriz so don't Badger him. :roll:
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Wisconsin will be a tall order for us. They are big, strong, solid in every department. We will have to shoot lights out to beat them, and they will have to have an off night, it's as simple as that.
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This. Can we beat Wisconsin...yes. They have to play sub-par, which is absolutely possible. We have to shoot well. We won't get many opportunities for fast break points and have to produce against the man to man. I've watched WI a few times this year, starting early against BYU and ending during the Big 10 tourney. If they hit their shots they will win by 15 or more. If they play lackluster then Griz win by at least 7. Can't wait for Thursday!
 
AllWeatherFan said:
Wisconsin will be a tall order for us. They are big, strong, solid in every department. We will have to shoot lights out to beat them, and they will have to have an off night, it's as simple as that.
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Off day I meant.
 
Some more Cherry love:

"Will Cherry (Montana): He’s scored 20 or more in 10 games this season. He’s a versatile scorer (16.0 ppg) and he’s also a stubborn defender (2.6 spg, sixth in the nation). He’s the explosive, under-the-radar star that could break a multitude of brackets. Wisconsin is a strong defensive team, but Cherry could give the Badgers a lot of problems on both ends of the court."

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/53174/10-midmajor-stars-that-could-bust-brackets" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
grizpack said:
Andy Katz just picked the Griz on Colin Cowherd's show too.
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Aside from the Katz-Gottlieb spiels in various venues, ESPN has also posted a printed commentary at
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bas...89/east-region-breakdown-2012-ncaa-tournament

Go there for the whole thing, but here are the parts that mention the Griz.

Myron Medcalf said:
East Region Breakdown
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8. Wisconsin will have its hands full against a Montana team that has won 14 in a row. The Badgers' offense stalled during a Big Ten tournament semifinal loss to Michigan State. They won't last long if that trend continues.
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Five Players to Watch ...
3. Jordan Taylor: He struggled early, but Taylor ultimately found a rhythm in Big Ten play. Last season, he shared Wisconsin's scoring responsibilities with Jon Leuer. With Leuer in the NBA, Taylor has had to adjust offensively. But he's back to his old ways just in time for the Big Dance. He has scored 19, 12, 16, 22 and 19 points, respectively, in Wisconsin's past five games.
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Three … Games to Watch …
3. Wisconsin-Montana: Upset alert. The Grizzlies are on a hot streak and Will Cherry (16.0 ppg) is a stud. I was impressed with the way this team finished the season in the Big Sky. Weber State is solid and the Grizzlies beat their conference rivals by 19 to win the Big Sky tournament. Wisconsin's defense anchors Bo Ryan's system. But the Badgers' offense has been problematic in recent weeks. They could get caught here.
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Possible Cinderella
Montana: The Grizzlies haven't lost since Jan. 14. The Grizzlies had the Big Sky's top scoring defense and margin of victory. Like the Badgers, they're built on defense. And with that, the Grizzlies could shake up the region. They have five players averaging 9.2 ppg or more.
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As he said, Wisconsin is known for its strong defense, and so are the Griz (but less so). They held opponents to 52.9 ppg, the best in the country. The Griz are #47 in opp ppg, giving up 61.9, according to NCAA stats. The Badgers are particularly good at defending the three-pointer.

Aside from Taylor, they also have a big guy -- Jared Berggren (6'10) -- who plays tough inside (53 blocked shots) but can go outside for a 3-pointer. I've only seen Wisconsin play a few times (Big Ten Network), but they can give you bruises on the inside. Our bigs have shown steady improvement toward the end of the season -- that's got to continue.

This could be an ugly game to watch for anyone but the fans of the two teams.
 
Tokyogriz said:
Andy katz picks montana over cheeseheads as well.
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Yep...lots of different picks out there. One guy, Joe Luinardi I think, has Wisconsin in the final four.
 
PlayerRep said:
badger007 said:
I'm not going to say the 'experts' are wrong, etc, etc, etc. As far as I know, they could be right! However, for Badger coaches and players, it has to be a little irritating to continually be picked as the upset special each season! Last season, they were a popular upset pick and they ended up beating Belmont by 14. There is a reason Bo Ryan is 9-1 in opening round games.

Don't know much about Will Cherry, but I don't think he will get too many opportunities to take the ball away from Jordan Taylor, who is among the best in NCAA history in assist-to-turnover ratio.

Can Cherry play defense in the post? The Badgers haven't run the swing offense too much this season (or so it seems), but at close to 200 pounds, Jordan Taylor is one of the strongest point guards in the country and shows no hesitation in posting up other guards.

I am sure Cherry is a fine player and I am by no means trying to be disrespectful, but Jordan Taylor was a Second Team All-American as a junior and a Pre-Season All-American coming into this season. He has had somewhat of a 'down season', but has actually averaged over 16 PPG against Big Ten competition. I'd certainly give him the upper-hand without hesitation, but maybe I'm just biased :oops:

Edit: This is a really one-sided post as I don't know much about Cherry other than his accolades. Please rebuttal! I, like other Badger posters here, are still trying to learn more about your program!
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Cherry was the conference defensive MVP. He is lightning quick and very athletic. He is 6th in the nation in steals per game and blocks alot of shots. He is Montana's all-time steal leader, even though he is only a junior. Montana's other guard is 6'5". Both were first team all-conference.

I see that some sports analysts are indicating that Cherry can play with Taylor (or better). In a game over the weekend, a tv analyst listed Cherry as one of the five players in the tourney who could make a big difference in the tournament (or something like that).

You may want to do a bit more research, before making some of the declarations you're making.
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You and your "research". Quit talking down to our guests like you try to do to our own posters. You know zero about the game of basketball. Why don't you fly down to Albuquerque a influence the referees to help the Griz again. :thumb:
 
I like getting some recognition, but is anyone else worried that so many experts are picking the Griz? Kinda giving the Badgers the motivation that the Griz should have coming in as the underdog...
 
Not really they most likely believe their own over hyped shit they get from others. No way are they taking any of those comments seriously as supposedly their fans claim their are MALIGNED in the press every year.... not because they deserve it... but because the press hates them. Odd to hear such lame Republican tripe from a Democratic state....

They are going down just like Nevada did with a shocked look on their faces the last few seconds of the game. :P
 
DoubleNicks said:
I like getting some recognition, but is anyone else worried that so many experts are picking the Griz? Kinda giving the Badgers the motivation that the Griz should have coming in as the underdog...
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Nope...this happened in 06 as well...Montana was the hot pick from people like Dan Patrick and the likes as the upset pick....
 
Tokyogriz said:
Not really they most likely believe their own over hyped shit they get from others. No way are they taking any of those comments seriously as supposedly their fans claim their are MALIGNED in the press every year.... not because they deserve it... but because the press hates them. Odd to hear such lame Republican tripe from a Democratic state....

They are going down just like Nevada did with a shocked look on their faces the last few seconds of the game. :P
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Though I'm not a partisan you appear to be a douche bag, girl friend. STFU, if you want to opine on politics there are a lot of forums, we are talking sports here.
 
Tokyogriz said:
Not really they most likely believe their own over hyped shit they get from others. No way are they taking any of those comments seriously as supposedly their fans claim their are MALIGNED in the press every year.... not because they deserve it... but because the press hates them. Odd to hear such lame Republican tripe from a Democratic state....

They are going down just like Nevada did with a shocked look on their faces the last few seconds of the game. :P
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I try not to get into politics on here...does no good. But, you on the other hand, have no problem sounding like an idiot, do you?
 
Tokyogriz said:
Not really they most likely believe their own over hyped shit they get from others. No way are they taking any of those comments seriously as supposedly their fans claim their are MALIGNED in the press every year.... not because they deserve it... but because the press hates them. Odd to hear such lame Republican tripe from a Democratic state....

They are going down just like Nevada did with a shocked look on their faces the last few seconds of the game. :P
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Wow...that's what you're going with?



Really?
 
Tokyogriz said:
Not really they most likely believe their own over hyped shit they get from others. No way are they taking any of those comments seriously as supposedly their fans claim their are MALIGNED in the press every year.... not because they deserve it... but because the press hates them. Odd to hear such lame Republican tripe from a Democratic state....

They are going down just like Nevada did with a shocked look on their faces the last few seconds of the game. :P
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Tokyo swings and misses again!!!!!
 
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