EWU's next QB

[kemajic]

Most relevant is the last sentence.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... ton-eagles

Kind of like how the Griz were 6-4 against FCS competition and missed out on the playoffs in 2010? Try again little man.

Not really. 6-5 for EWU was a normal year. 7-4 for UM was not.

Seasons with 5 or more losses:

EWU: 11 of the last 19; 88 losses (4.8/yr)
UM: 0 of the last 19; 49 losses (2.6/yr)

Interesting that you only went back 19 years...why not go back an even 20? Why not go back to the 80's? You choose to pick a time-frame which is consistent with when UM started winning. My guess is that Montana must have had a losing season in '92, while Eastern won a Big Sky title that year. I'd have to look, but that's just a guess since you sometimes have a tendancy to cherry-pick stats.

But anyway, 20 years ago is ancient history. To my knowledge, Eastern wasn't even a fully funded program in the early 90's. Yeah, the program had a couple Big Sky championships and playoff runs before then, but modern history for EWU started in 2004. Just as the Griz didn't really become relevant in 1-AA football until the early to mid 90's, it took EWU approximately 10 years longer to start winning with any amount of consistency. So you can continue to bring up ancient history if you like, but what matters most is what's happened recently.

2004 - 9-4 (playoffs)
2005 - 7-5 (playoffs)
2006 - 3-8
2007 - 9-4 (playoffs)
2008 - 6-5
2009 - 8-4 (playoffs)
2010 - 13-2 (playoffs)
2011 - 6-5

Comparing winning percentages is great, but a little perspective is needed. No offense to UM, but most years Eastern isn't playing Fort Lewis or Western State at home. So if you consider that Eastern had a considerably more difficult non-conference schedule most of those years than Montana, that's not a bad run. Many of those schedules included games against 2 FBS teams, which Montana has the benefit of not having to schedule. Had Eastern not played two Big 12 teams in 2008, an had instead played an FCS, that most likely would have been a playoff year as well. Scheduling benefits and home games are huge.

You put a lot energy trying to fight simple facts, but let's go another round. OK, let's look at your preferred span comparatively and see if the conclusion is any different.

2004 - 9-4 (playoffs) UM 12-3 (playoffs)
2005 - 7-5 (playoffs) UM 8-4 (playoffs)
2006 - 3-8 !!!!! UM 12-2 (playoffs)
2007 - 9-4 (playoffs) UM 11-1 (playoffs)
2008 - 6-5 UM 14-2 (playoffs)
2009 - 8-4 (playoffs) UM 14-1 (playoffs)
2010 - 13-2 (playoffs) UM 7-4
2011 - 6-5 UM 11-3 (playoffs)

Overall EWU 61-33; UM 89-20. Same conclusion.

Cupcake games, you mention, UM played six - Ft. Lewis and Western St. twice and CWU and W. Oregon once. EWU played seven - CWU three times (losing once), W. Oregon twice, W. Washington (since dropping FB), and even dipping into a poor NAIA team in W. Montana. So much for that argument. I hope both programs are finished with this. Regarding injuries, the 2011 EWU team suffered from this problem, but the 2010 Montana team did not?

Just to correct your poor grasp of history, Montana started winning and was a national factor in 1-AA long before the mid-90's and it's last losing season was 1985.

Insecure is coming onto an opponent's forum and overselling a good product as a superior product, which the facts disprove again and again. That goes also for CPSLO, since you couldn't resist butting in.

[SloStang]

Kind of like how the Griz were 6-4 against FCS competition and missed out on the playoffs in 2010? Try again little man.

Not really. 6-5 for EWU was a normal year. 7-4 for UM was not.

Seasons with 5 or more losses:

EWU: 11 of the last 19; 88 losses (4.8/yr)
UM: 0 of the last 19; 49 losses (2.6/yr)

Interesting that you only went back 19 years...why not go back an even 20? Why not go back to the 80's? You choose to pick a time-frame which is consistent with when UM started winning. My guess is that Montana must have had a losing season in '92, while Eastern won a Big Sky title that year. I'd have to look, but that's just a guess since you sometimes have a tendancy to cherry-pick stats.

But anyway, 20 years ago is ancient history. To my knowledge, Eastern wasn't even a fully funded program in the early 90's. Yeah, the program had a couple Big Sky championships and playoff runs before then, but modern history for EWU started in 2004. Just as the Griz didn't really become relevant in 1-AA football until the early to mid 90's, it took EWU approximately 10 years longer to start winning with any amount of consistency. So you can continue to bring up ancient history if you like, but what matters most is what's happened recently.

2004 - 9-4 (playoffs)
2005 - 7-5 (playoffs)
2006 - 3-8
2007 - 9-4 (playoffs)
2008 - 6-5
2009 - 8-4 (playoffs)
2010 - 13-2 (playoffs)
2011 - 6-5

Comparing winning percentages is great, but a little perspective is needed. No offense to UM, but most years Eastern isn't playing Fort Lewis or Western State at home. So if you consider that Eastern had a considerably more difficult non-conference schedule most of those years than Montana, that's not a bad run. Many of those schedules included games against 2 FBS teams, which Montana has the benefit of not having to schedule. Had Eastern not played two Big 12 teams in 2008, an had instead played an FCS, that most likely would have been a playoff year as well. Scheduling benefits and home games are huge.

You put a lot energy trying to fight simple facts, but let's go another round. OK, let's look at your preferred span comparatively and see if the conclusion is any different.

2004 - 9-4 (playoffs) UM 12-3 (playoffs)
2005 - 7-5 (playoffs) UM 8-4 (playoffs)
2006 - 3-8 !!!!! UM 12-2 (playoffs)
2007 - 9-4 (playoffs) UM 11-1 (playoffs)
2008 - 6-5 UM 14-2 (playoffs)
2009 - 8-4 (playoffs) UM 14-1 (playoffs)
2010 - 13-2 (playoffs) UM 7-4
2011 - 6-5 UM 11-3 (playoffs)

Overall EWU 61-33; UM 89-20. Same conclusion.

Cupcake games, you mention, UM played six - Ft. Lewis and Western St. twice and CWU and W. Oregon once. EWU played seven - CWU three times (losing once), W. Oregon twice, W. Washington (since dropping FB), and even dipping into a poor NAIA team in W. Montana. So much for that argument. I hope both programs are finished with this. Regarding injuries, the 2011 EWU team suffered from this problem, but the 2010 Montana team did not?

Just to correct your poor grasp of history, Montana started winning and was a national factor in 1-AA long before the mid-90's and it's last losing season was 1985.

Insecure is coming onto an opponent's forum and overselling a good product as a superior product, which the facts disprove again and again. That goes also for CPSLO, since you couldn't resist butting in.

Once again kemajic only looks at the facts that support his case. Notice that he does not address how many FBS teams each team has played during that time. Also CWU, WOU and WWU are/were a lot better teams than Ft. Lewis and Western State.

P.S. - you still owe me some beer from our bet on the 2010 game.

[kemajic]

Cupcake games, you mention, UM played six - Ft. Lewis and Western St. twice and CWU and W. Oregon once. EWU played seven - CWU three times (losing once), W. Oregon twice, W. Washington (since dropping FB), and even dipping into a poor NAIA team in W. Montana. So much for that argument. I hope both programs are finished with this. Regarding injuries, the 2011 EWU team suffered from this problem, but the 2010 Montana team did not?

Just to correct your poor grasp of history, Montana started winning and was a national factor in 1-AA long before the mid-90's and it's last losing season was 1985.

Insecure is coming onto an opponent's forum and overselling a good product as a superior product, which the facts disprove again and again. That goes also for CPSLO, since you couldn't resist butting in.

Once again cumjack only looks at the facts that support his case. Notice that he does not address how many FBS teams each team has played during that time. Also CWU, WOU and WWU are/were a lot better teams than Ft. Lewis and Western State.

P.S. - you still owe me some beer from our bet on the 2010 game.

Recall, this is the era picked by the EWU fan. Regarding your evaluation of the "quality" of cupcake games (if there is such a thing), UM played both CWU and WOU and did not play lowly NAIA W. Montana like EWU. A wash on cupcake quality. Oh, and UM won all their cupcake games.

Granted, EWU played 10 FBS games while Montana played three (I could make a similarly lame comment that the quality of the UM 3 exceeded the quality of the EWU 10 - no SJS's). So, accounting for DII and lower games and the FBS games, the comparison for the EWU favored era of 2004-11, based only on FCS games is:

EWU 55-22; Montana 83-17 (with a higher percentage of games against playoff competition.)
Head-on competition: Montana 6 wins; EWU 2 wins

So feel welcome to futher exhibit ignorance and elevate your name-calling by suggesting this changes any conclusion in comparing the programs in EWU's favored era.

Regarding beer, I don't recall the bet because I rarely bet on anything, but as I previously mentioned, I would be glad to buy the beer anytime you are in MT. I don't travel to CPSLO, as it's too far from south-central Montana; it's novelty to me is less than for most Montanans, as I lived in S. CA for several years. In addition to tailgates I can welcome you to, I usually frequent the Mo Club, Boomer's and the Press Box on game weekends.

[AllWeatherFan]

Awesome debate, guys. I hope it goes on for at least 7-8 more pages.

[kemajic]

It just kills me that you can NEVER say a good thing about any program other than the Griz. If Pardon was transferring to Montana you be leading the cheer. He is instead transferring to EWU (a program that won a National Championship just two seasons ago) and all you can say is he is going to a team that was 6-5 last season. Sad that you are so insecure.

You act like I wrote the article; I just supplied the link and pointed out the writer's statement that would be glossed over by the EWU fans that pound this forum with how great they are. Yes, they had a Cinderella season two years ago. We applauded it at the time; hurray for the BSC. Their attitude that that is the norm for their program is laughable and is easily disputed with facts, whether they or you like them or not. I never have a problem saying positive things about programs, acknowledging accurate statements. I do have a problem with fans of other programs coming to this forum to oversell their programs, particularly when compared to the UM program. That's what is insecure and deserves a challenge with facts. I don't need opinions, foul language or name-calling, the facts speak for themselves. When accused of cherry-picking the data to make my point, OK, guilty as charged; but find an example when that really changed anything.

And how often is anything positive ever said regarding the UM program by these opposing fans coming to this forum? Don't let it "kill you;" it's not killing me.

[SloStang]

Cupcake games, you mention, UM played six - Ft. Lewis and Western St. twice and CWU and W. Oregon once. EWU played seven - CWU three times (losing once), W. Oregon twice, W. Washington (since dropping FB), and even dipping into a poor NAIA team in W. Montana. So much for that argument. I hope both programs are finished with this. Regarding injuries, the 2011 EWU team suffered from this problem, but the 2010 Montana team did not?

Just to correct your poor grasp of history, Montana started winning and was a national factor in 1-AA long before the mid-90's and it's last losing season was 1985.

Insecure is coming onto an opponent's forum and overselling a good product as a superior product, which the facts disprove again and again. That goes also for CPSLO, since you couldn't resist butting in.

Once again cumjack only looks at the facts that support his case. Notice that he does not address how many FBS teams each team has played during that time. Also CWU, WOU and WWU are/were a lot better teams than Ft. Lewis and Western State.

P.S. - you still owe me some beer from our bet on the 2010 game.

Recall, this is the era picked by the EWU fan. Regarding your evaluation of the "quality" of cupcake games (if there is such a thing), UM played both CWU and WOU and did not play lowly NAIA W. Montana like EWU. A wash on cupcake quality. Oh, and UM won all their cupcake games.

Granted, EWU played 10 FBS games while Montana played three (I could make a similarly lame comment that the quality of the UM 3 exceeded the quality of the EWU 10 - no SJS's). So, accounting for DII and lower games and the FBS games, the comparison for the EWU favored era of 2004-11, based only on FCS games is:

EWU 55-22; Montana 83-17 (with a higher percentage of games against playoff competition.)
Head-on competition: Montana 6 wins; EWU 2 wins

So feel welcome to futher exhibit ignorance and elevate your name-calling by suggesting this changes any conclusion in comparing the programs in EWU's favored era.

Regarding beer, I don't recall the bet because I rarely bet on anything, but as I previously mentioned, I would be glad to buy the beer anytime you are in MT. I don't travel to CPSLO, as it's too far from south-central Montana; it's novelty to me is less than for most Montanans, as I lived in S. CA for several years. In addition to tailgates I can welcome you to, I usually frequent the Mo Club, Boomer's and the Press Box on game weekends.

Just having some fun with you Kem. I think it would be hard for most FCS programs (Georgia Southern, Ap. State and possibly a few others being the exceptions) to try to compare themselves to Montana and I have said that many times. Montana is where most FCS programs would like to be, Cal Poly included. I only am giving you sh!t because no matter what news another team has you have to slam it (ie: the most relevant thing in the article on Pardon was EWU's 6-5 2011 record). You can not even bring yourself to say Cal Poly has given UM some great games the last 7 or 8 years, you can only point to the record.

As far as the beer I would love to meet you and talk football over a couple of cold ones before our next game in Missoula. The game this last season in Missoula was the first CP/UM game I have missed in the last 7 games. At least I got to watch it on TV. My two daughters are involved in youth sports and it is getting harder to get away for a weekend with the guys.

All that said, you have to admit that if Pardon is close to being as effective as BLM was at EWU, they should be a formidable team in 2012. He certainly will have some great WRs to throw to.

[SloStang]

Kem, I did a little research and we bet a case of beer on the 2010 game.

Here is what I said:

Cal Poly was a top 25 program from 2004-2008. 2009 was a down year because of three things: 1) new coaching staff (the Griz will experience this next season). 2) lost a ton of starters off the top offense in the FCS the two previous years (sounds like the Griz will lose a lot this year). 3) a ton of injuries on a YOUNG team learning a new offense and defense. In 2010 Cal Poly will not have a new coaching staff, return a ton of starters and will be a more mature team with more depth if injuries do hit. I expect that they will regain the form that they had from 2004-2008.

Kemajic, we are not the Griz and I am not saying we are. We are however a good FCS program that is on the rise that has given the Griz some great games the last 6 or 7 years. Prior to that Cal Poly was playing the Griz with only about 40 scholarships with shitty facilities. This decade we have become fully funded with 63 scholarships and are improving the facilities and the results are showing on the field. I believe 2010 was an exception because of the three reasons I gave above. Don't forget that the 4-7 team you are ragging on had a lead on the road to the #2 team in the FCS going into the fourth quarter. The gap is not as great as you seem to think. Kemajic, want to bet a case of beer on next years game?

Here is what you said:

I think you are overestimating the impact the loss of seniors and the new coaching staff will have on Montana. It is not nearly as much of a rebuilding year as was 2008. And we will be better for the new coaching staff, hardly any who are strangers. It was four coaching regimes and 18 years ago that Montana last missed the playoffs and won less than 8 games. I will take your bet on a case of beer in spite of UM typically playing its best ball late in the year. We will be in much better shape than we were when we were down there in 2008.


Here is the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42478&hilit=cal+poly+game+2010&start=50

If you wants some laughs you should read through the whole thread. I did and I am still smiling.

[EWURanger29]

Recall, this is the era picked by the EWU fan. Regarding your evaluation of the "quality" of cupcake games (if there is such a thing), UM played both CWU and WOU and did not play lowly NAIA W. Montana like EWU. A wash on cupcake quality. Oh, and UM won all their cupcake games.

Granted, EWU played 10 FBS games while Montana played three (I could make a similarly lame comment that the quality of the UM 3 exceeded the quality of the EWU 10 - no SJS's). So, accounting for DII and lower games and the FBS games, the comparison for the EWU favored era of 2004-11, based only on FCS games is:

EWU 55-22; Montana 83-17 (with a higher percentage of games against playoff competition.)
Head-on competition: Montana 6 wins; EWU 2 wins

There is a difference between thinking EWU has a good program and thinking that it's on the same level as Montana's. Whoever said anything about that? You are the one that makes the comparisons, not me. EWU doesn't need to have the overall winning percentage or playoff record UM has to make it a good program. It's a good metric to use, but that doesn't mean other programs aren't good if they haven't achieved what UM, GSU, App, etc. have.

To go back to my original point of contention - using overall winning percentages to make a point (which didn't even need to be made) is a flawed premise since EWU usually plays a more difficult non-conference schedule (which it does.) A much better analysis is made by comparing records against the same or similar competition (which you have provided.) My other point was that UM has had a much higher percentage of playoff games played at home. The UM definitely earned those home games, but it is a significant advantage. Outside of WA-Griz, UM's playoff record on the road isn't so good. Conversely, EWU has gone on the road to knock off a #1 seed in 2004, and a #2 seed in 2007.

As for your comment on FBS competition......meh, come on man.

vs. the FBS, 2004-2011

Eastern Washington

2011 @ Washington L 27-30
2010 @ Nevada L 24-49
2009 @ (10) California L 7-59
2008 @ (12) Texas Tech L 24-49
2008 @ Colorado L 24-31
2007 @ Brigham Young L 7-42
2006 @ Oregon State L 17-56
2006 @ (6) West Virginia L 3-52
2005 @ San Jose State L 24-35
2004 @ at Air Force L 20-42

Montana

2011 @ Tennessee L 16-42
2010 - Did not play FBS
2009 - Did not play FBS
2008 - Did not play FBS
2007 - Did not play FBS
2006 - @ (16) Iowa L 7-41
2005 - @ Oregon L 14-47
2004 - Did not play FBS

[Growler1]

Yeah, try and keep up with the conversation.

Oh, and I can't wait to see Dan Moore run Pulu's brother's ass over.

And I can't wait to see Pulu drop Dan Moore in the backfield before Pulu's brother can.

A Mo Club burger says Moore averages 4.5/carry against that vaunted defense.

Two Mo Club burgers says Padron throws over 300 yards against the Griz D.

Look, pin head, it does not matter how many yards your new wunderkin throws for. Bottom line is, we will stuff your running game, and your newest gun-slinger may very well throw for big yardage. Unfortunately for you, the points put up will determine the winner, and we will smoke the Eagles like we always do.

[argh!]

And I can't wait to see Pulu drop Dan Moore in the backfield before Pulu's brother can.

A Mo Club burger says Moore averages 4.5/carry against that vaunted defense.

Two Mo Club burgers says Padron throws over 300 yards against the Griz D.

Look, pin head, it does not matter how many yards your new wunderkin throws for. Bottom line is, we will stuff your running game, and your newest gun-slinger may very well throw for big yardage. Unfortunately for you, the points put up will determine the winner, and we will smoke the Eagles like we always do.

i have been looking for some eagle to smoke for a long time. when was the last time the griz truly smoked them?

[EverettGriz]

UM's playoff record on the road isn't so good. Conversely, EWU has gone on the road to knock off a #1 seed in 2004, and a #2 seed in 2007.

Montana beat a #1 seed on the road in 2008.
.
Just sayin...

[Grizo406]

UM's playoff record on the road isn't so good. Conversely, EWU has gone on the road to knock off a #1 seed in 2004, and a #2 seed in 2007.

Montana beat a #1 seed on the road in 2008.
.
Just sayin...

Great game!

The wheel route from Berquist to Reynolds was a thing of beauty, and I still don't think Dudzig got in!

[Growler1]

A Mo Club burger says Moore averages 4.5/carry against that vaunted defense.

Two Mo Club burgers says Padron throws over 300 yards against the Griz D.

Look, pin head, it does not matter how many yards your new wunderkin throws for. Bottom line is, we will stuff your running game, and your newest gun-slinger may very well throw for big yardage. Unfortunately for you, the points put up will determine the winner, and we will smoke the Eagles like we always do.

i have been looking for some eagle to smoke for a long time. when was the last time the griz truly smoked them?

I smoked an eagle sometime during my sophomore year in college

[Screamin_Eagle174]

And I can't wait to see Pulu drop Dan Moore in the backfield before Pulu's brother can.

A Mo Club burger says Moore averages 4.5/carry against that vaunted defense.

Two Mo Club burgers says Padron throws over 300 yards against the Griz D.

Look, pin head, it does not matter how many yards your new wunderkin throws for. Bottom line is, we will stuff your running game, and your newest gun-slinger may very well throw for big yardage. Unfortunately for you, the points put up will determine the winner, and we will smoke the Eagles like we always do.

Whatever you say, Depends Pisser.

[EverettGriz]

UM's playoff record on the road isn't so good. Conversely, EWU has gone on the road to knock off a #1 seed in 2004, and a #2 seed in 2007.

Montana beat a #1 seed on the road in 2008.
.
Just sayin...

Great game!

The wheel route from Berquist to Reynolds was a thing of beauty, and I still don't think Dudzig got in!

1. Wheel route was BEAUTIFUL!
2. Bergquist was great in that game.
3. After watching it no less than 1,000 times I still have NO idea if Dudgiz got in. But I DO know two things: One, it was one hell of an effort; and two, there is NO EFFIN WAY they should have overturned the ruling on the field on that.
4. CHASE REYNOLDS

[kemajic]

Kem, I did a little research and we bet a case of beer on the 2010 game.

Here is what I said:

Cal Poly was a top 25 program from 2004-2008. 2009 was a down year because of three things: 1) new coaching staff (the Griz will experience this next season). 2) lost a ton of starters off the top offense in the FCS the two previous years (sounds like the Griz will lose a lot this year). 3) a ton of injuries on a YOUNG team learning a new offense and defense. In 2010 Cal Poly will not have a new coaching staff, return a ton of starters and will be a more mature team with more depth if injuries do hit. I expect that they will regain the form that they had from 2004-2008.

Kemajic, we are not the Griz and I am not saying we are. We are however a good FCS program that is on the rise that has given the Griz some great games the last 6 or 7 years. Prior to that Cal Poly was playing the Griz with only about 40 scholarships with shitty facilities. This decade we have become fully funded with 63 scholarships and are improving the facilities and the results are showing on the field. I believe 2010 was an exception because of the three reasons I gave above. Don't forget that the 4-7 team you are ragging on had a lead on the road to the #2 team in the FCS going into the fourth quarter. The gap is not as great as you seem to think. Kemajic, want to bet a case of beer on next years game?

Here is what you said:

I think you are overestimating the impact the loss of seniors and the new coaching staff will have on Montana. It is not nearly as much of a rebuilding year as was 2008. And we will be better for the new coaching staff, hardly any who are strangers. It was four coaching regimes and 18 years ago that Montana last missed the playoffs and won less than 8 games. I will take your bet on a case of beer in spite of UM typically playing its best ball late in the year. We will be in much better shape than we were when we were down there in 2008.


Here is the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42478&hilit=cal+poly+game+2010&start=50

If you wants some laughs you should read through the whole thread. I did and I am still smiling.

You did an amazing job of setting me up on that one; it's not easy to get a bet out of me. An even more amazing job of research to find it and nail me. Definitely earned the case; if you have a PayPal account, PM me and I will pop you a Jackson for the case. You should not have to wait until the 10/19/2013 game. Hope you can make that one.

The 2008 CPSLO team was the one that could scare you. There was no way to match up with Bardon if Dally could get the ball to him. Particularly, since the option ground game with Noble, Mole and Dally required you to keep the box occupied. A better D and that team could have gone deep into the playoffs. We were surprised to see Weber get by you at home in the playoffs, but benefited a second shot at them, which we took advantage of.

As it relates to EWU, all the talk about QBs is interesting, but the most impressive force from them has been Taiwan Jones. There have been several QBs in the BSC as good as Mitchell, but there has not been another Jones. While he was hurt into their playoff run of their NC year, they never would have gotten there without him. He singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders to beat Montana that year. A player like him does not come along every year; that's why consistency is so difficult. To me, performance over several years is key, not one year. Anyone can have a good year, particularly if a TJ comes along. How many programs can do it for 25 years? A program like that has to be dealt with every year, irrespective of injuries, coaching changes or schedules.

[kemajic]

UM's playoff record on the road isn't so good. Conversely, EWU has gone on the road to knock off a #1 seed in 2004, and a #2 seed in 2007.

Montana beat a #1 seed on the road in 2008.
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Just sayin...

Great game!

The wheel route from Berquist to Reynolds was a thing of beauty, and I still don't think Dudzig got in!

1. Wheel route was BEAUTIFUL!
2. Bergquist was great in that game.
3. After watching it no less than 1,000 times I still have NO idea if Dudgiz got in. But I DO know two things: One, it was one hell of an effort; and two, there is NO EFFIN WAY they should have overturned the ruling on the field on that.
4. CHASE REYNOLDS

That was the quietest exit from a stadium I have ever experienced. Having Jeff Fisher sitting just across the isle was also special.

[Grizo406]

Montana beat a #1 seed on the road in 2008.
.
Just sayin...

Great game!

The wheel route from Berquist to Reynolds was a thing of beauty, and I still don't think Dudzig got in!

1. Wheel route was BEAUTIFUL!
2. Bergquist was great in that game.
3. After watching it no less than 1,000 times I still have NO idea if Dudgiz got in. But I DO know two things: One, it was one hell of an effort; and two, there is NO EFFIN WAY they should have overturned the ruling on the field on that.
4. CHASE REYNOLDS

That was the quietest exit from a stadium I have ever experienced. Having Jeff Fisher sitting just across the isle was also special.

Right after the game ended, I got a phone call from Cap'n Cat & D1B. They ask me: "How do you feel after such a great win?". I don't cuss all that much, but the only thing I could think of to say was: "How the fvck do you think I feel? I'm goin' to Chattanooga, pal!".

It was my first trip to see a National Championship game in person. Regardless of seeing the Griz lose the NC on Friday night, and seeing Carroll lose theirs the next day, I had a blast!!! That absolutely amazing win against JMU the week before made it possible, and soften the loss!

[EWURanger29]

As it relates to EWU, all the talk about QBs is interesting, but the most impressive force from them has been Taiwan Jones. There have been several QBs in the BSC as good as Mitchell, but there has not been another Jones. While he was hurt into their playoff run of their NC year, they never would have gotten there without him. He singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders to beat Montana that year. A player like him does not come along every year; that's why consistency is so difficult. To me, performance over several years is key, not one year. Anyone can have a good year, particularly if a TJ comes along. How many programs can do it for 25 years? A program like that has to be dealt with every year, irrespective of injuries, coaching changes or schedules.

No arguments here and well said. Dickenson, Friesz, and Meyer were all as good as Mitchell at QB, and a couple of those guys were probably better. But I am not sure there has ever been another Jones. The offense would not have been what it was in 2010 had it not been for him.......even though EWU was without him for what amounted to 4 games that year, I agree that they wouldn't have been in that position in the playoffs without him.

I would add that we did have a pretty decent defense that included a Buck Buchanan Award winner and led the nation in TO margin. So while Jones was a huge part of 2010, there were other factors in play as well. You don't win a NC without the entire package.

[Brock Landers]

Is this thread still going?

UM = top 5 program in FCS
EWU = top 15ish program in FCS

Is that good enough for everyone? We're all winners with giant dicks, let's move on

[SloStang]

Kem, I did a little research and we bet a case of beer on the 2010 game.

Here is what I said:

Cal Poly was a top 25 program from 2004-2008. 2009 was a down year because of three things: 1) new coaching staff (the Griz will experience this next season). 2) lost a ton of starters off the top offense in the FCS the two previous years (sounds like the Griz will lose a lot this year). 3) a ton of injuries on a YOUNG team learning a new offense and defense. In 2010 Cal Poly will not have a new coaching staff, return a ton of starters and will be a more mature team with more depth if injuries do hit. I expect that they will regain the form that they had from 2004-2008.

Kemajic, we are not the Griz and I am not saying we are. We are however a good FCS program that is on the rise that has given the Griz some great games the last 6 or 7 years. Prior to that Cal Poly was playing the Griz with only about 40 scholarships with shitty facilities. This decade we have become fully funded with 63 scholarships and are improving the facilities and the results are showing on the field. I believe 2010 was an exception because of the three reasons I gave above. Don't forget that the 4-7 team you are ragging on had a lead on the road to the #2 team in the FCS going into the fourth quarter. The gap is not as great as you seem to think. Kemajic, want to bet a case of beer on next years game?

Here is what you said:

I think you are overestimating the impact the loss of seniors and the new coaching staff will have on Montana. It is not nearly as much of a rebuilding year as was 2008. And we will be better for the new coaching staff, hardly any who are strangers. It was four coaching regimes and 18 years ago that Montana last missed the playoffs and won less than 8 games. I will take your bet on a case of beer in spite of UM typically playing its best ball late in the year. We will be in much better shape than we were when we were down there in 2008.


Here is the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42478&hilit=cal+poly+game+2010&start=50

If you wants some laughs you should read through the whole thread. I did and I am still smiling.

You did an amazing job of setting me up on that one; it's not easy to get a bet out of me. An even more amazing job of research to find it and nail me. Definitely earned the case; if you have a PayPal account, PM me and I will pop you a Jackson for the case. You should not have to wait until the 10/19/2013 game. Hope you can make that one.

The 2008 CPSLO team was the one that could scare you. There was no way to match up with Bardon if Dally could get the ball to him. Particularly, since the option ground game with Noble, Mole and Dally required you to keep the box occupied. A better D and that team could have gone deep into the playoffs. We were surprised to see Weber get by you at home in the playoffs, but benefited a second shot at them, which we took advantage of.

As it relates to EWU, all the talk about QBs is interesting, but the most impressive force from them has been Taiwan Jones. There have been several QBs in the BSC as good as Mitchell, but there has not been another Jones. While he was hurt into their playoff run of their NC year, they never would have gotten there without him. He singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders to beat Montana that year. A player like him does not come along every year; that's why consistency is so difficult. To me, performance over several years is key, not one year. Anyone can have a good year, particularly if a TJ comes along. How many programs can do it for 25 years? A program like that has to be dealt with every year, irrespective of injuries, coaching changes or schedules.

Don't worry about the Jackson Kem. I can wait tell 2013 and would enjoy talking football with you over a couple of cold ones. You can buy me a beer at the Mo Club and we will call it even.

I know you talk about other fans coming here and thumping their chest and having Griz Envy. I freely admit having it. I would love to see Cal Poly have the success that Montana has over the years, but that is only part of it. I really enjoy the town of Missoula and the fans of Montana are some of the most gracious around. I enjoy coming here a talking with them and see what is happening at Montana.

While Cal Poly has not had Montana's level of success or support, we are starting to put money into the program and facilities and we are proud of our program and it is a program on the way up. We not there yet, but we are headed in the right direction. I know there are some major football facility improvements on the near horizon. I really think Cal Poly can be a top program in the Big Sky and represent it well. I can not tell how glad I am that we are members starting next year. I look forward to many more great games with the Griz.

[becker2117]

Kem, I did a little research and we bet a case of beer on the 2010 game.

Here is what I said:

Cal Poly was a top 25 program from 2004-2008. 2009 was a down year because of three things: 1) new coaching staff (the Griz will experience this next season). 2) lost a ton of starters off the top offense in the FCS the two previous years (sounds like the Griz will lose a lot this year). 3) a ton of injuries on a YOUNG team learning a new offense and defense. In 2010 Cal Poly will not have a new coaching staff, return a ton of starters and will be a more mature team with more depth if injuries do hit. I expect that they will regain the form that they had from 2004-2008.

Kemajic, we are not the Griz and I am not saying we are. We are however a good FCS program that is on the rise that has given the Griz some great games the last 6 or 7 years. Prior to that Cal Poly was playing the Griz with only about 40 scholarships with shitty facilities. This decade we have become fully funded with 63 scholarships and are improving the facilities and the results are showing on the field. I believe 2010 was an exception because of the three reasons I gave above. Don't forget that the 4-7 team you are ragging on had a lead on the road to the #2 team in the FCS going into the fourth quarter. The gap is not as great as you seem to think. Kemajic, want to bet a case of beer on next years game?

Here is what you said:

I think you are overestimating the impact the loss of seniors and the new coaching staff will have on Montana. It is not nearly as much of a rebuilding year as was 2008. And we will be better for the new coaching staff, hardly any who are strangers. It was four coaching regimes and 18 years ago that Montana last missed the playoffs and won less than 8 games. I will take your bet on a case of beer in spite of UM typically playing its best ball late in the year. We will be in much better shape than we were when we were down there in 2008.


Here is the link to the thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42478&hilit=cal+poly+game+2010&start=50

If you wants some laughs you should read through the whole thread. I did and I am still smiling.

You did an amazing job of setting me up on that one; it's not easy to get a bet out of me. An even more amazing job of research to find it and nail me. Definitely earned the case; if you have a PayPal account, PM me and I will pop you a Jackson for the case. You should not have to wait until the 10/19/2013 game. Hope you can make that one.

The 2008 CPSLO team was the one that could scare you. There was no way to match up with Bardon if Dally could get the ball to him. Particularly, since the option ground game with Noble, Mole and Dally required you to keep the box occupied. A better D and that team could have gone deep into the playoffs. We were surprised to see Weber get by you at home in the playoffs, but benefited a second shot at them, which we took advantage of.

As it relates to EWU, all the talk about QBs is interesting, but the most impressive force from them has been Taiwan Jones. There have been several QBs in the BSC as good as Mitchell, but there has not been another Jones. While he was hurt into their playoff run of their NC year, they never would have gotten there without him. He singlehandedly put the team on his shoulders to beat Montana that year. A player like him does not come along every year; that's why consistency is so difficult. To me, performance over several years is key, not one year. Anyone can have a good year, particularly if a TJ comes along. How many programs can do it for 25 years? A program like that has to be dealt with every year, irrespective of injuries, coaching changes or schedules.

Don't worry about the Jackson Kem. I can wait tell 2013 and would enjoy talking football with you over a couple of cold ones. You can buy me a beer at the Mo Club and we will call it even.

I know you talk about other fans coming here and thumping their chest and having Griz Envy. I freely admit having it. I would love to see Cal Poly have the success that Montana has over the years, but that is only part of it. I really enjoy the town of Missoula and the fans of Montana are some of the most gracious around. I enjoy coming here a talking with them and see what is happening at Montana.

While Cal Poly has not had Montana's level of success or support, we are starting to put money into the program and facilities and we are proud of our program and it is a program on the way up. We not there yet, but we are headed in the right direction. I know there are some major football facility improvements on the near horizon. I really think Cal Poly can be a top program in the Big Sky and represent it well. I can not tell how glad I am that we are members starting next year. I look forward to many more great games with the Griz.

ill say SLO is on the rise....i was at the game in 2010, and prior to that i have only seen a handfull of FCS games that were not in wagriz....i showed up, was a bit judgmental but didnt take long after having a few beers, talking some football that all that was put by the wayside....and i really enjoyed the town..i was down in oceanside at the time and it was a nice getaway from that hell hole haha...needless to say my plans of going out on the town were exchanged for sitting in the hotel complaining and freaking out over a single loss haha.....but neways, u are a nice addition to the conf.

[becker2117]

Awesome debate, guys. I hope it goes on for at least 7-8 more pages.

let me add somehting else that is awesome about this debate...its in MARCH!!! i love it

[Screamin_Eagle174]

Awesome debate, guys. I hope it goes on for at least 7-8 more pages.

let me add somehting else that is awesome about this debate...its in MARCH!!! i love it

Gotta have something to do during the doldrums before Spring ball.

[becker2117]

A Mo Club burger says Moore averages 4.5/carry against that vaunted defense.

Two Mo Club burgers says Padron throws over 300 yards against the Griz D.

Look, pin head, it does not matter how many yards your new wunderkin throws for. Bottom line is, we will stuff your running game, and your newest gun-slinger may very well throw for big yardage. Unfortunately for you, the points put up will determine the winner, and we will smoke the Eagles like we always do.

Whatever you say, Depends Pisser.

haha, so including that game in 2005 its MONTANA 5 wins, EWU 2? head to head of course