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Griz vs Badgers
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I'm not sure what's weak about comparing stats from two teams in the same conference. It's possible to look at conference-only stats, and since your conference is small enough to be able to play everyone else twice, the schedule is completely balanced.AllWeatherFan said:
What the conference stats show is that Montana is the best defensive team in the Big Sky by a mile, while being above average on offense. Being a good defensive team should help in preparing for UW, because the rest of the conference certainly wasn't pulling its weight.
mtgrizrule said:
They very well could. UW knows first hand how the whole can exceed the sum of its parts. I still see this as a bad matchup for Montana and the experts that rely on numbers and facts over emotion and bias agree. (Nate Silver, Ken Pom, etc. Vs. Myron Medcafe, Doug Gottlieb) I think you need to go over what a tempo free stat is. Even when you control for pace of play UW is still at the top of most defensive stats. Not to mention the obvious HUGE difference in quality of competition that those stats were put up against (Mont SOS-203, UW SOS-16)
EverettGriz said:
Who? Where are these experts? Picking a team to pull an upset is not the same as declaring a team has more 'talent'. Logic check 101 time. You guys have a good team and have had a great year but step back for a second and think about what you are really implying. Do you have a better player or two ata given position? Sure you very well may. But we have a first team all-state guy from Illinois (Dukan), Mr. Basketball from Iowa (Uthoff), and the son of the #4 pick in the 92 NBA draft (Jackson), that never see the floor! Those are the guys on the end of our bench, how many Mr. Basketballs do you guys have redshirting?
mtgrizrule
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I can honestly say the reason for my optimism in this GRIZ team are the following.
(1) Great strategic coaching, and ability to change up defenses, and play different type of games.
(2) Excellent Defense
(3) Guard play is key in the NCAA tournament. The GRIZ combination of Cherry, and Jamar can, and will compete with any guard combination. At least to date they have proven they can over the past 1 year plus. I have a feeling those that do not know about them will be introduced to them this weekend.
I admit, I will give Wisconsin the edge in the paint. I honestly believe our starting guards are better than Wisconsin.
(4) The unity of this team is as good as any team at any level I have ever seen. However the unity came about needs to be patented. I watch the bench interaction just as much as I do the game with this team. All the players, and coaches are happy, every game.
I am not knocking Wisconsin, but am very confident in this GRIZ team, and have a very good feeling, they will show well.
(1) Great strategic coaching, and ability to change up defenses, and play different type of games.
(2) Excellent Defense
(3) Guard play is key in the NCAA tournament. The GRIZ combination of Cherry, and Jamar can, and will compete with any guard combination. At least to date they have proven they can over the past 1 year plus. I have a feeling those that do not know about them will be introduced to them this weekend.
I admit, I will give Wisconsin the edge in the paint. I honestly believe our starting guards are better than Wisconsin.
(4) The unity of this team is as good as any team at any level I have ever seen. However the unity came about needs to be patented. I watch the bench interaction just as much as I do the game with this team. All the players, and coaches are happy, every game.
I am not knocking Wisconsin, but am very confident in this GRIZ team, and have a very good feeling, they will show well.
Bigdsrip said:
We have have a first team all state guy from Washington, Mr Basketball from Washington and the nephew of the greatest point guard in NBA history. And he doesnt start either, his name is Shawn Stockton. Jordan Gregory was also the leading scorer if I recall for the state of Colorado his Sr year. Billy Reader, who wont play, was a star player on the same team as Kevin Love.
What does that all mean? Not a dang thing....what they did in HIGH SCHOOL doesnt matter at this point...perhaps you should step back and think about what you are implying. Personally I could care less who has the better "talent". If the team with the best talent one every game, I might be impressed...but then to why play the game?
I agree with you on that point. Best talent doesn't have much to do with who wins the game. Its a team sport.
I still maintain that common sense renders this argument ridiculous. The talent that goes to the B1G and UW is on a whole other level then what the Big Sky and Montana can produce. I only brought up the high school because i was too lazy to look up the recruiting rankings for both teams (not that that really proves anything either). How many NBA guys has Montana produced in the last ten years? UW, by no means an NBA factory, has 7 or 8 depending on how you count 10 game contracts. Total arrogance at work here I know, but I would wager that is more then the whole Big Sky conference has put into the League in that time frame.
After looking at that more closely those are all the same guy and he is your sixth man, hardly refutes my point. The guys I mentioned are just the ones that don't ever play (Jackson may have played 30mins this year but all in garbage time). I didn't even mention guys who are in our rotation.
I still maintain that common sense renders this argument ridiculous. The talent that goes to the B1G and UW is on a whole other level then what the Big Sky and Montana can produce. I only brought up the high school because i was too lazy to look up the recruiting rankings for both teams (not that that really proves anything either). How many NBA guys has Montana produced in the last ten years? UW, by no means an NBA factory, has 7 or 8 depending on how you count 10 game contracts. Total arrogance at work here I know, but I would wager that is more then the whole Big Sky conference has put into the League in that time frame.
After looking at that more closely those are all the same guy and he is your sixth man, hardly refutes my point. The guys I mentioned are just the ones that don't ever play (Jackson may have played 30mins this year but all in garbage time). I didn't even mention guys who are in our rotation.
coyote said:
Your right it has nothing to do with it. Other posters were saying that national pundits said that Montana was the more talented team and I was pointing out that that is a ridiculous statement. Not meant to be a slight, as UW has routinely beaten teams that had far more talent. Thats the beauty of team sports.
formerlybis
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mtgrizrule said:
I always enjoy reading the perspectives of different fanbases about their teams because there are so many different styles that produce winning programs. UW does not change their style of play based on the opponent. Ever. This is not to say there isn't any scouting -- they will go to more favorable adjustments within the overall philosophical framework, but UW will always be in man, they'll always get back on D, and they'll always be a team-oriented half-court offense (i.e. very little transition game).
Once in a while, even us Badger fans would like to see a zone or some other defense -- there have been NCAA games where the other team had a dominant big who just killed us and Bo refused to double-team.
you guys have a better team than us and you have better players. no question. but we're as good and talented as a few teams in the big ten you struggled with, like minnesota, a team you struggled with twice. psu, you beat by 6 and 10. iowa, you lost to and beat by 1. nebraska. you blew out once, but only beat by 5. illinois you beat soundly, but struggled with once.
if you started a conference with the bottom six of the big ten, we'd probably go .500. does that make us a good team nationally? no. odds are you'll win. odds are we'll give you fits. don't have an off night.
if you started a conference with the bottom six of the big ten, we'd probably go .500. does that make us a good team nationally? no. odds are you'll win. odds are we'll give you fits. don't have an off night.
Bigdsrip said:
Well, if you haven't heard the pundits saying Montana is more talented, I suggest turning off the Lifetime channel and watching a little ESPN.
As for recruits, I don't care that you got Ms. Alabama or whatever. But I do know this: Wisconsin heavily recruited a kid out of high school named "Selvig". Any ideas where he ended up?? (hint, it ain't wisconsin.....)
GrizMusician
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One thing is clear... there is too much time between the conference championship & the tourney!
One question I have for Badger and B1G fans is "What does the "G" in "B1G" stand for?....a "0" a "1" or a "2"......I can't quite remember how many are in the "B1G" but I recall it begin more than "10" .
I've heard there are some excellent academic schools in the "B1G" but counting must not a course that you need to pass to get into them.
Go Griz!!!
I've heard there are some excellent academic schools in the "B1G" but counting must not a course that you need to pass to get into them.
Go Griz!!!
SeaGrizluvr
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GrizMusician said:
I think I read where next year we are going back to the weekend of selection sunday. There will be 7 teams making the tourney and all but the top seed play thursday night, then the semis on friday and the championship saturday afternoon.
