Voice, you know better: that should be, "from whom".
(and you gotta wait and see with the rest of the class).
(and you gotta wait and see with the rest of the class).
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Can the Griz ever compete in the NCAA's? The answer's easy
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WyomingGrizFan
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Paytonlives said:
If you got the fifty million to allow it, that is.
moose/squirrel
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. And if that means going independent, so be it.
Though I agree the Big Sky sucks, name me the other independents in D1 hoops and how this would inprove the bb program. You can't because there are none of consequence other than programs like SUU who move up and are fishing for a conference. Let's see your list of indy bb programs that matter...you can't because there aren't any.
You seem to obsess because the Griz aren't FBS in football and it carries over to hoops. Anyone with a clear mind can see we are heading to super conferences in football in the near future, say 4 of them with 16 to 20 members. The math works, 2 division winners per conference, 8 in the playoffs, voila.
We will never be in this mix (Boise State will be on the outside looking in as well), so relax, when the dust settles we can form a conference with peers like CSU, NM, USU, et.al., not to mention the MAC, CUSA, Big East, Big 12 and all those not in the Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC that are left when this happens.
Until this shakes out there is no reason to join a doomed WAC or Mountain West for football. In 5 years it will make sense and I would love to see us compete with these schools and look forward to it.
Though I agree the Big Sky sucks, name me the other independents in D1 hoops and how this would inprove the bb program. You can't because there are none of consequence other than programs like SUU who move up and are fishing for a conference. Let's see your list of indy bb programs that matter...you can't because there aren't any.
You seem to obsess because the Griz aren't FBS in football and it carries over to hoops. Anyone with a clear mind can see we are heading to super conferences in football in the near future, say 4 of them with 16 to 20 members. The math works, 2 division winners per conference, 8 in the playoffs, voila.
We will never be in this mix (Boise State will be on the outside looking in as well), so relax, when the dust settles we can form a conference with peers like CSU, NM, USU, et.al., not to mention the MAC, CUSA, Big East, Big 12 and all those not in the Big 10, Pac 12, ACC, and SEC that are left when this happens.
Until this shakes out there is no reason to join a doomed WAC or Mountain West for football. In 5 years it will make sense and I would love to see us compete with these schools and look forward to it.
HighLineGRIZ said:
I have a hard time believing the Big Sky wouldn't keep UM for football only. Cal Poly & UC Davis are football only. Montana & to a lesser extent MSU are the only schools that keep the BSC above a DII level conference for football. It sounds arrogant but the Big Sky would be a joke w/o the Montana schools & would probably do whatever it could to keep them, even if it were for football only.
This is where I would disagree. Frankly, it seems to me -- particularly lately -- that the BSC is not taking any actions to try to keep UM in the league. Every decision they've made has hurt Montana, not helped them. I think the conference knows that Montana is gone sooner or later anyway so they aren't about to make any special concessions, even though everyone knows Montana not only drives the BSC bus, but they build the bus, own the bus and pave the roads the bus drives on.
Montana needs to stop holding up a conference, but rather go to a conference that benefits Montana.
EverettGriz said:
Agree 100%
WyomingGrizFan said:
It would not cost anything to get in another bball league... in fact UM would make more money.
WAC
Mountain West
Big West
@ West Coast are
ALL BETTER OPTIONS!!!!
stubbins said:
Creighton, a seasoned, regular NCAA tournament participant, had 28 wins out of the Missouri Valley Conference including Long Beach State, San Diego State, Wichita State, and 3 Big Ten wins and they were only an 8 seed. What do you expect? What is the lowest seed that would satisfy you?
I'm all for tougher competition, but for all we know, the Griz might not even have a coach a month from now. The Griz need more boosters and season ticket holders. Baby steps.
Maybe I'm just easy to please but I thought it was a pretty good season. Best conference record in program history, longest winning streak in program history, 3rd consecutive 20-win season, first regular season conference championship in years, had some people claiming "the zoo is back!". In the playoff format everyone's season ends in a loss except one team. 99% of the teams in the country end the season with a sour taste in their mouths.
GrizDDS said:
Not trying to contradict the good season, but, would you be happy if our football team lost 1 game in the preseason, ran the table in the BSC and then got absolutely hammered in the first round of the playoffs?
cclarkblues said:
No that would be a huge bummer. But we're obviously accustomed to a different level of success and opponent in football. In the last 20 years we've had 16 conference championships in football and in basketball it's been 2 regular season championships and 6 tournament championships. Also we're dealing with a whole different level of opponent. Big Ten schools get $20 million+ per year just for TV, our entire athletic budget is, what, $17 million?
moose/squirrel
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Tokyogriz said:
Your fantasy, I'll stay out of it, you are clueless.
I think there are a lot of posters here who are really missing the point..UM had a successful season by any measure. Too many people are now seeing the NCAA tourney as the most important thing whereas, the season was once the goal. I remember when the NIT was the big thing...and winning a conference was enough. Once again, Americans have let the media decide for us what is important. Personally, I think Montana had a great year and next year will be even better..I don't get the move up to a better conference crap since that would mak e no difference whatsoever....Lehigh, Norfolk State play basically the same caliber as UM...this was their year...I doubt their fans are demanding to move up..whatever that means...
GrizLA said:
In basketball there is no need to "move up" ALL THE CONFERENCES are division 1... The problem is that the BSC is a terible D1 Conference.
IdaGriz01
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Have to agree -- totally -- with the first part.GrizLA said:
Oddly enough, the media guys (some of them) say the same thing, but do not see themselves as the creator of that notion. During one of the many games (they start to run together), one of bigger-name commentators (media guy) said virtually the same thing: That getting into, and doing well, has become THE measure of BBall success in the power conferences. He thought it was the same, but to a lesser extent, in the non-power conferences. Also, for the power conferences, a whiz-bang record in conference, but mediocre-to-poor results in the "Big Dance" has already gotten coaches fired. The other announcers agreed that this was the case and both thought it was a damn shame.
So which came first, the media leading the way on the NCAA being the be-all, or them just following a trend set by fans, players, and coaches? Personally, I think the media are followers on this issue. However, they do then reinforce the idea, which makes it near-impossible to go back to where a spiffy conference record was considered a successful season. (But saying the media led the way probably gives them too much credit. IMO)
IdaGriz01
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No argument from me -- the BSC is pitiful. Not the worst, BTW. That dubious honor is reserved for the SWAC, which is a disaster in BBall.Spanky said:Then some would say that a spiffy conference record is good if the conference has any strength. The Big Sky Conference doesn't. Just sayin....
But the BSC is what we're in. Moving out of the conference has so many complications, the only real solution for Weber and the GRiz to keep kicking butts until the other members get tired of it and start raising their level of play (or dropping basketball altogether :lol: .)
