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Pflu and UM agree to buy-out terms

MTOutsider said:
So don't renew Royce's contract and have him walk, Paying for him and his replacement will make it all better? Or maybe everyone should sue everyone, that will fix the mess. Why not make the best out of a bad situation and live to watch football.
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Yes, let's fully embrace incompetence. What a great idea. :oops:
 
Okay, now go back and re-read this entire thread about the big lawsuits that were sure to happen:

http://www.egriz.com/grizboard/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=56902" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 
BWahlberg said:
Engstrom called Pflugrad "a dedicated coach who was successful on the field for the University of Montana."
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:coffee:
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Right now, I am not convinced that Engstrom is qualified to be President of UM...truly, this is a grossly mismanaged situation, from Saudi to QB, a chain of blunders.
 
Tokyogriz said:
I take Jim Odays word over the Missoulian Tabloid any day of the week thanks.
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Funny, what happens when a little time passes. I bet a year ago when you were stuck in Japan, you were not slinging mud at the Missoulian. Short memory?

http://missoulian.com/news/local/friends-relatives-trying-to-help-missoula-man-escape-disaster-in/article_1fd317b4-51d6-11e0-ab3d-001cc4c03286.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

While I do not agree with Florio's reporting or lack of reporting. Your approach toward them is not warranted.

Back to the task at hand, given the course of events, what has happened has happened and it is time to move on. Since President Engstrom has not been fired, I doubt he will. Life will go on.
 
I have posted before that everyone who assisted, including the media and the missoulian was appreciated.

But that still does not make it ok for the Missoulian to act in any way they please. I am fully within my rights and bounds to criticize the destructive behavior of Gwen Florio and her editorial team pushing the attacks on my University and town.

It would be wrong for me to no stand up to this injustice that the missoulian is perpetrating against our University football program just because they had at one point helped me. People helped my family because we are part of this community. And I am concerned and angry over the Missoulians attacks on UM for the same reason.

I am not hiding behind anonymity like many posters on here who attack me. I do believe what I say, and believe the Missoulian does not care about UM, Missoula, Montana, or even the actual or alleged victims and the accused based on the tabloid quality articles they have printed for the last 6 months.

Nothing sells papers like a fabricated sex scandal does it. Seems to be working for the Missoulian thats why these attacks continue on a daily basis and have been doing so for the last 5 - 6 months.

Stop supporting this continuing attack on UM football. Stop supporting the Missoulian in any way.

Brandon Palmer
 
Tokyogriz said:
I have posted before that everyone who assisted, including the media and the missoulian was appreciated.

But that still does not make it ok for the Missoulian to act in any way they please. I am fully within my rights and bounds to criticize the destructive behavior of Gwen Florio and her editorial team pushing the attacks on my University and town.

It would be wrong for me to no stand up to this injustice that the missoulian is perpetrating against our University football program just because they had at one point helped me. People helped my family because we are part of this community. And I am concerned and angry over the Missoulians attacks on UM for the same reason.

I am not hiding behind anonymity like many posters on here who attack me. I do believe what I say, and believe the Missoulian does not care about UM, Missoula, Montana, or even the actual or alleged victims and the accused based on the tabloid quality articles they have printed for the last 6 months.

Nothing sells papers like a fabricated sex scandal does it. Seems to be working for the Missoulian thats why these attacks continue on a daily basis and have been doing so for the last 5 - 6 months.

Stop supporting this continuing attack on UM football. Stop supporting the Missoulian in any way.

Brandon Palmer
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Well, we can agree on a couple of things. First, Florio has no business continually printing her drivel and yes the Missoulian has not always been UM friendly.

Yet, there is a larger problem here and that is "our" football team. Since the begining of the Hauck years, our football team have not been the poster boys for good behavior. Quite frankly, there have been too many brushes with the law. Lets be honest here, we all know if you have the resources you can fight and win against the system. So, for those who like to sweep things under the rug as the charges did not stick, there is a problem. I do believe, the accused are innocent until proven guilty. However, back to the sex scandal, where there is smoke there typically is fire. I would argue, had the Penn State scandal not occurred, this might not be as big of story. Right now we have three investigations going on, one which has been going on for five months (NCAA) and the DOE and DOJ. I would recommend everyone hold of judging until the reports are in. Do we need to improve, yes.

Better days are ahead of us. It is time to move on.
 
Grizdoc, some of us are simple minded Griz fans. I am in that previous gathering, simple. I like to keep things simple and in order.

I have stated for years "if the Griz are dirty I am out" and I stand by my statement. I am a serious giver to the cause. I love the fact we recruit the downtrodden kids from low areas and give them a chance. We take a chance on these kids and sometimes it borders on a "serious chance" but I firmly believe in the USA and giving young adults a way to improve themselves. We have been very lucky during the past number of years and I am proud of what the University has done in this regard for all sports.

I am not talking solely about football. You mentioned smoke and fire. Did you mean subtle manipulation or did you hint at significant wrong doing by football players? Your insincere insinuations that your knowledge and perception of the Griz football program is and has been bad to the bone. Your claim and basis is like "smoke and fire" on automatic pilot.

Yes, these and other young people are less than perfect and are not what we want them to be at all times. We want to feel proud of them. Not just win games but perform and act in dignified Montana dignity with class. Simple. Perhaps I went on a bit long. I agree it is time to move on.
 
grizdoc said:
Tokyogriz said:
I have posted before that everyone who assisted, including the media and the missoulian was appreciated.

But that still does not make it ok for the Missoulian to act in any way they please. I am fully within my rights and bounds to criticize the destructive behavior of Gwen Florio and her editorial team pushing the attacks on my University and town.

It would be wrong for me to no stand up to this injustice that the missoulian is perpetrating against our University football program just because they had at one point helped me. People helped my family because we are part of this community. And I am concerned and angry over the Missoulians attacks on UM for the same reason.

I am not hiding behind anonymity like many posters on here who attack me. I do believe what I say, and believe the Missoulian does not care about UM, Missoula, Montana, or even the actual or alleged victims and the accused based on the tabloid quality articles they have printed for the last 6 months.

Nothing sells papers like a fabricated sex scandal does it. Seems to be working for the Missoulian thats why these attacks continue on a daily basis and have been doing so for the last 5 - 6 months.

Stop supporting this continuing attack on UM football. Stop supporting the Missoulian in any way.

Brandon Palmer
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Well, we can agree on a couple of things. First, Florio has no business continually printing her drivel and yes the Missoulian has not always been UM friendly.

Yet, there is a larger problem here and that is "our" football team. Since the begining of the Hauck years, our football team have not been the poster boys for good behavior. Quite frankly, there have been too many brushes with the law. Lets be honest here, we all know if you have the resources you can fight and win against the system. So, for those who like to sweep things under the rug as the charges did not stick, there is a problem. I do believe, the accused are innocent until proven guilty. However, back to the sex scandal, where there is smoke there typically is fire. I would argue, had the Penn State scandal not occurred, this might not be as big of story. Right now we have three investigations going on, one which has been going on for five months (NCAA) and the DOE and DOJ. I would recommend everyone hold of judging until the reports are in. Do we need to improve, yes.

Better days are ahead of us. It is time to move on.
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Valid post, although the apologists will try to spin this towards their agenda to win at all cost (Umista, are you listening?)
 
Growler, I am deaf and dumb. No, not dumb and dumber.

Win at any cost, cheat if you must, lying is a plus. Scotch with ice!
 
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Thanks Islander.

Exhibit A shows the cost for Engstroms folly with Pflugrad costing more than just the $44,500 plus his benefits which cost UM $733 (times 9 months) reported in tabloids.

An additional $27,181 payable next january 2013 and unused sick pay of $6,376.

Of course this is all in ADDITION to his regular full time salary of $157,000.
 
Tokyogriz said:
Pflu - $157,000 PLUS health insurance benefits & 44,500 = $201,000 (plus benefits cost)

Oday - $155,281 (Plus Benefits)

Total cost of Royce Engstrom not doing his job and giving yearly reviews in January is $356,781 plus additional benifits costs.

If Royce had simply done his january employee reviews (which is part of his job and he never gave one to oday in 2 years) he could have simply said he wasnt renewing contracts. In the case of Oday at least and saved UM a $157,000 plus benefits and with Pflu we would have saved at least the $44,000.

Now UM will pay double salaries for these positions this year. How many professors would we have paid with this $356,000?

This should come out of Royce Engstroms paycheck. Or an even better solution would be to non-renew his contract effective IMMEDIATELY! (We would have to pay a double salary to him and his replacement but eh thats ok right Roycie?)

Total cost to UM and UM athletics is going to be much larger than this initial pricetag as well. Engstrom needs to be held accountable for this as well.

Contact the Board of Regents to express your anger with Royce and his handling of this. They hold Engstroms contract and have his leash in hand. The BOR are the ones who need to be flooded with calls demanding Engstroms removal.
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GFY retard style
 
The timing and terms of the agreement are interesting. If Pflugrad were to take another job without this settlement, then his earnings would mitigate his damages but the agreement does not provide for any credit to UM against the scheduled payouts. Looks like Pflugrad may have a job offer out there, and good for him.
 
goatcreekgriz said:
Looks like it adds up to what he's entitled to as a state employee through the end of the year. Not quite a million bucks.
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$235,278 including his benefits.

Not chump change either is it. Add O'Days $155,000 for his full year payment and we are at a $390,278.

Half a million dollars sure would have gone a long ways in any department on campus.
 
Well, it's certainly not the seven-figure exposure some crowed about, which was my point. It would be nice for other programs to have more dollars, of course, but an athletic program faced with such high expectations is also exposed to greater risks. Engstrom may or may not survive, but I appreciate his desire for a coaching change under the circumstances. The payout is certainly more than Pat Kennedy's cell phone bills but it's manageable -- and it's part of the cost of doing business. Time to move on.
 
i think its funny that the day we find out UM is paying a good chunk of change to ex-employees, we also learn it's mysterioulsy squeezing about the same amount outta the vets.......and you laughed at my tinfoil hat. Ha. who's doin this :lol: right here right now
 
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