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Eric Matthews QB - Blinn College JC (TX)

gotgame75 said:
Irish Duck - Obviously #3 is the most likely scenario. I am by no means saying JJ is 100% gone, but why would the coaches be recruiting 2 JC QBs unless they thought there was a good chance he wouldn't be suiting up next year??? The coaches would be foolish to not have more of a backup plan than 2 redshirts and GK, who despite being a remarkable athlete hasn't been able to put it together after 3 years worth of chances.
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Could just be looking for experience in a backup QB. Kemp is the only other QB with game time experience, isn't he? Montana doesnt recruit JC QB's to come in and start.
 
Why would we want to blow a reds hirt year for these new kids if we don't have too? makes sense even if JJ is here.
 
DuCharme said:
gotgame75 said:
Irish Duck - Obviously #3 is the most likely scenario. I am by no means saying JJ is 100% gone, but why would the coaches be recruiting 2 JC QBs unless they thought there was a good chance he wouldn't be suiting up next year??? The coaches would be foolish to not have more of a backup plan than 2 redshirts and GK, who despite being a remarkable athlete hasn't been able to put it together after 3 years worth of chances.
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Could just be looking for experience in a backup QB. Kemp is the only other QB with game time experience, isn't he? Montana doesnt recruit JC QB's to come in and start.
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I agree that depth or fall back is what this would be. If he was as good as Cam Newton he'd get offers from someone other than Memphis. Also, if there is an opportunity to pick up a player that betters the team, wouldn't common thought be to pull the trigger? Meaning, he has the ability to run the offense and at worst push JJ (or whomever) to make them better/work harder. I think the longterm reward is worth the risk on this guy. Again, any name of the CA JC QB?
 
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute. Montana doesn't recruit JC's QB to come in and start you say?? In most cases I would agree, but the circumstances here are far from normal. If JJ is in fact expelled, then we would be going into the season with 2 redshirt freshmen that haven't played a snap of college football and Kemp, who despite all the athletic prowess wasn't even even able to beat out Montana for the backup spot. Getting another QB on the roster is of primary importance no matter how you look at it, whether it be to back up JJ or replace him.

Also, when it comes to JJ, in all likelihood RE has already confirmed the expulsion, but because the process is confidential until finalized, we won't be hearing anything until the appeals process with the Regents is completed. People who think that that the Regents are holding back the decision until Van Valkenburg makes his own legal determination fail to see that these 2 processes have no bearing on one another. Its Preponderance of Evidence vs Reasonable Doubt.
 
DuCharme said:
gotgame75 said:
Irish Duck - Obviously #3 is the most likely scenario. I am by no means saying JJ is 100% gone, but why would the coaches be recruiting 2 JC QBs unless they thought there was a good chance he wouldn't be suiting up next year??? The coaches would be foolish to not have more of a backup plan than 2 redshirts and GK, who despite being a remarkable athlete hasn't been able to put it together after 3 years worth of chances.
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Could just be looking for experience in a backup QB. Kemp is the only other QB with game time experience, isn't he? Montana doesnt recruit JC QB's to come in and start.
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They should
 
gotgame75 said:
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute. Montana doesn't recruit JC's QB to come in and start you say?? In most cases I would agree, but the circumstances here are far from normal. If JJ is in fact expelled, then we would be going into the season with 2 redshirt freshmen that haven't played a snap of college football and Kemp, who despite all the athletic prowess wasn't even even able to beat out Montana for the backup spot. Getting another QB on the roster is of primary importance no matter how you look at it, whether it be to back up JJ or replace him.

Also, when it comes to JJ, in all likelihood RE has already confirmed the expulsion, but because the process is confidential until finalized, we won't be hearing anything until the appeals process with the Regents is completed. People who think that that the Regents are holding back the decision until Van Valkenburg makes his own legal determination fail to see that these 2 processes have no bearing on one another. Its Preponderance of Evidence vs Reasonable Doubt.
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I didn't mean that...just that it was the same big time JC so if he was a headliner type player he would be somewhere besides Memphis. Sorry for the confusion.
 
gotgame75 said:
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute.
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Actually just the opposite. Every day that goes by that charges aren't brought against JJ bodes well in his favor. RE will not uphold the campus court expulsion without charges against JJ. Fact. If they had solid evidence indicating JJ's guilt don't you think they would have charged him by now, 4 months after those alleged incidents?
 
Growler, sorry for all my words with little information. I still work at working to work some more. Another way of saying I meddle in my business to keep my self busy so I do not retire. I did get in a hurry because I was busy at working?

Kemp will not be our QB so forget that .
We will play McKinney and Shay Smithwick-Hann at QB if Jordy can't play. Best one starts, other one will back-up.
We are mildly recruiting some previously mentioned JC QB with the idea he may be instant help or a step behind what we already have. Big share of top QBs have been grabbed by now. If we get the one we are after it is still a crap shoot but he will make a much needed back up (worst case) or he may prove to be the "second coming". I will not mention more about potential QB recruits and what a coach told me concerning them. Yes, one could be the "real deal" and if Jordy can't go I hope we get him.

Point is: We take the one QB recruit no matter what. Further, if Jordy is gone we are on this recruit with money and honey.

Jock sniffing? Naw I simply love Griz football and I use a smooth greasy preparation for my skin, eh Growler?
 
Hammer said:
gotgame75 said:
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute.
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Actually just the opposite. Every day that goes by that charges aren't brought against JJ bodes well in his favor. RE will not uphold the campus court expulsion without charges against JJ. Fact. If they had solid evidence indicating JJ's guilt don't you think they would have charged him by now, 4 months after those alleged incidents?
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I guess you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact that we haven't heard anything by now doesn't have anything to do with JJ's prospects improving. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the legal process involving the City and the University have nothing to do with each other. It seems incredibly absurd and unfair, but the Regents can uphold his expulsion without charges coming from the County Attorney's Office. Preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt are two very different standards of proof. Yes, JJ has recourse in challenging this disparity federally, but that process can take years.

Care to make a gentleman's bet on JJ playing this year? Look, I want JJ to play this year as much as you, but I (among others) am fairly certain it's not going to happen. And the coaches would be stupid to not have a backup plan in place, even if the odds were better than they are. It sucks to admit, but JJ is likely going to be a victim of a process that is much bigger than his case alone. In a different environment, this likely would have been an open and shut case that didn't make it past the accusation/investigation stage. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Unfairly or not, our beloved program has become synonymous with all that's wrong with college athletics. And for that reason, the powers that be, from the DA's office to the Regents, no longer have the discretion they once did in determining these cases. The pressure from the outside to "make heads roll" is going to have an impact. I'm sure you are aware of the term "buyer's market"? Well from a legal standpoint, this is a "victim's market".
 
gotgame75 said:
Hammer said:
gotgame75 said:
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute.
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Actually just the opposite. Every day that goes by that charges aren't brought against JJ bodes well in his favor. RE will not uphold the campus court expulsion without charges against JJ. Fact. If they had solid evidence indicating JJ's guilt don't you think they would have charged him by now, 4 months after those alleged incidents?
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I guess you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact that we haven't heard anything by now doesn't have anything to do with JJ's prospects improving. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the legal process involving the City and the University have nothing to do with each other. It seems incredibly absurd and unfair, but the Regents can uphold his expulsion without charges coming from the County Attorney's Office. Preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt are two very different standards of proof. Yes, JJ has recourse in challenging this disparity federally, but that process can take years.

Care to make a gentleman's bet on JJ playing this year? Look, I want JJ to play this year as much as you, but I (among others) am fairly certain it's not going to happen. And the coaches would be stupid to not have a backup plan in place, even if the odds were better than they are. It sucks to admit, but JJ is likely going to be a victim of a process that is much bigger than his case alone. In a different environment, this likely would have been an open and shut case that didn't make it past the accusation/investigation stage. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Unfairly or not, our beloved program has become synonymous with all that's wrong with college athletics. And for that reason, the powers that be, from the DA's office to the Regents, no longer have the discretion they once did in determining these cases. The pressure from the outside to "make heads roll" is going to have an impact. I'm sure you are aware of the term "buyer's market"? Well from a legal standpoint, this is a "victim's market".
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Another great post
 
Umista said:
Growler, sorry for all my words with little information. I still work at working to work some more. Another way of saying I meddle in my business to keep my self busy so I do not retire. I did get in a hurry because I was busy at working?

Kemp will not be our QB so forget that .
We will play McKinney and Shay Smithwick-Hann at QB if Jordy can't play. Best one starts, other one will back-up.
We are mildly recruiting some previously mentioned JC QB with the idea he may be instant help or a step behind what we already have. Big share of top QBs have been grabbed by now. If we get the one we are after it is still a crap shoot but he will make a much needed back up (worst case) or he may prove to be the "second coming". I will not mention more about potential QB recruits and what a coach told me concerning them. Yes, one could be the "real deal" and if Jordy can't go I hope we get him.

Point is: We take the one QB recruit no matter what. Further, if Jordy is gone we are on this recruit with money and honey.

Jock sniffing? Naw I simply love Griz football and I use a smooth greasy preparation for my skin, eh Growler?
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I predicted we would sign a QB before fall practice many weeks ago. It will happen.
 
The QB from Cali is not coming to UM. He committed to New Mexico and the reason I was told is that he really wants to play in the FBS.
 
gotgame75 said:
Hammer said:
gotgame75 said:
Did anyone say he was as good as Cam Newton? I think not. Look, I want JJ to be our QB next year too, but the likelihood of that happening is getting smaller by the minute.
Click to expand...

Actually just the opposite. Every day that goes by that charges aren't brought against JJ bodes well in his favor. RE will not uphold the campus court expulsion without charges against JJ. Fact. If they had solid evidence indicating JJ's guilt don't you think they would have charged him by now, 4 months after those alleged incidents?
Click to expand...

I guess you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The fact that we haven't heard anything by now doesn't have anything to do with JJ's prospects improving. I don't understand why you can't comprehend that the legal process involving the City and the University have nothing to do with each other. It seems incredibly absurd and unfair, but the Regents can uphold his expulsion without charges coming from the County Attorney's Office. Preponderance of evidence and reasonable doubt are two very different standards of proof. Yes, JJ has recourse in challenging this disparity federally, but that process can take years.

Care to make a gentleman's bet on JJ playing this year? Look, I want JJ to play this year as much as you, but I (among others) am fairly certain it's not going to happen. And the coaches would be stupid to not have a backup plan in place, even if the odds were better than they are. It sucks to admit, but JJ is likely going to be a victim of a process that is much bigger than his case alone. In a different environment, this likely would have been an open and shut case that didn't make it past the accusation/investigation stage. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Unfairly or not, our beloved program has become synonymous with all that's wrong with college athletics. And for that reason, the powers that be, from the DA's office to the Regents, no longer have the discretion they once did in determining these cases. The pressure from the outside to "make heads roll" is going to have an impact. I'm sure you are aware of the term "buyer's market"? Well from a legal standpoint, this is a "victim's market".
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You can get expelled for lot's of reasons that won't send you to jail. Cheating on test for example. I think the University process and the legal process are pretty separate.
 
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