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What teams should drop a division?

Ok, I know where GrizMusician is coming from in asking this question. He wants teams in the BSC to drop down & clear out the conference, then the FBS teams he thinks should drop down will come to the BSC. Then, the Griz can stay where they are, have better competition, w/o the need to spend the money to move to the FBS. Far fetched? No more than GM's scenario. 8-)
 
Sac on the bubble to drop down a division? Are you kidding?
Last season they beat the mighty Griz, and the season before lost by two points in a great game. The season before that, they lost by 10 to the Griz, who had to use a trick play at the end to win it.
Last season we lost to EW by two with the ball on EW 6 yard line when time run out. The season before EU beat us on the last play of the game. In 2010 we lost to MSU in overtime. Last years game was close.
Last year we beat Oregon State.
Attendance wise, we are usually second or third in the BS.
miles city
 
The fact that some people actually think EWU should drop down just proves how ignorant many Griz fans really are...wow!!! :shock:

Since 2005: 4 major award winners; 4 playoff appearances; 1 National Title

Special Notes: 1.) Played Montana tougher than any other school in the conference in the last 10 years 2.) 25-10 overall record against Montana State 3.) Overall home attd. increasing every single year...

Seriously people. C'mon!
 
Mark....playing close games doesn't really count too much. Only wins count as wins..at least that is the way its always been. :thumb:
 
Spanky said:
Big Sky....what pack? Ft. Lewis and Western State. Please clarify.
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I know you're being facetious, but it's childish and getting old. Just look at the data from the USA Today link and it shows us doing better in ticket sales and contributions than several Big Sky schools. Both tix sales and contributions have progressed nicely every year since moving up. Our teams (besides football) have done pretty well. Why would UNC move down to D2?
 
Because you should move down. Actually, Big Sky, I hope your school comes around and is competitive. I have a problem with UM being in the Big Sky Conference as I've posted on this board many times. I realize, however, that we will be in the Big Sky for a long, long time. Good luck to Northern Colorado this coming season in all sports.
 
WILDCATFAN said:
If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.
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How many of those two did Bball power Weber win?

Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.
 
kemajic said:
WILDCATFAN said:
If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.
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How many of those two did Bball power Weber win?

Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.
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So wait, he needs to provide data to prove this to you, but Griz fans are allowed to dismiss his team because they feel like it? :roll: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense...
 
Spanky said:
Because you should move down. Actually, Big Sky, I hope your school comes around and is competitive. I have a problem with UM being in the Big Sky Conference as I've posted on this board many times. I realize, however, that we will be in the Big Sky for a long, long time. Good luck to Northern Colorado this coming season in all sports.
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You must have a better reason than just "because." I've showed you data that proves we've increased ticket $$ and our contributions have skyrocketed. Our mens and womens b-ball teams have done very well as volleyball. I know in the Big Sky it's most important to have a good football team, but the Big Sky is obviously more than just football. I think I have more reasons to stay D1 than you have for us to move down. In your opinion, it's "because."
 
NorthwestFresh said:
EWU just won an FCS title and has played the Griz tougher than anybody else in the last 20 years in the Big Sky.
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Possibly; a look at the data shows just how much tougher EWU has played the Griz than the rest of the BSC in the last 20 years. Not sure there is a statistical difference.

Boise St. 2-2
EWU 5-15
Idaho 1-3
MSU 4-16
CS Northridge 1-4
Weber 4-17
PSU 2-14
ISU 2-18
SacSt 1-16
NAU 1-19
UNC 0-8

It is, however, a pretty good picture of how tough the BSC has been on Montana.
 
kemajic said:
NorthwestFresh said:
EWU just won an FCS title and has played the Griz tougher than anybody else in the last 20 years in the Big Sky.
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Possibly; a look at the data shows just how much tougher EWU has played the Griz than the rest of the BSC in the last 20 years. Not sure there is a statistical difference.

Boise St. 2-2
EWU 5-15
Idaho 1-3
MSU 4-16
CS Northridge 1-4
Weber 4-17
PSU 2-14
ISU 2-18
SacSt 1-16
NAU 1-19
UNC 0-8

It is, however, a pretty good picture of how tough the BSC has been on Montana.
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Add incoming members Cal Poly, SUU, UC-Davis and UND to that list and the toughness just keeps getting better and better:

CP-SLO 2-12
SUU 1-4
UC-D 0-3
UND (7-11 overall, just 0-1 in the modern era)

:? :?
 
BigSkyBears said:
kemajic said:
BigSkyBears said:
Why would UNC move down to D2?
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Good point. 9-58 since joining the BSC solidifies your position.
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We've done well in other sports. Kem, I met your son this past school year. He seems like a nice guy! Why aren't you as cool as he is?
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Possibly because he has no ties to MT and drinks that local FC yuppy beer, while I'm still with Budweiser. Good guy with whom to have a Penn St. discussion.... Did you ask him for his opinion of Greeley?

Will be down for the game again this year; love the beer sales in the stadium.
 
Oh the irony....what if its Montana that drops down? And we are in a division lower than UNC & SUU? Could happen. :shock:

I'd like most to see Alabama, Michigan, Texas, USC and Oklahoma drop a division. Sort of a demonstration of how the most colleges have to do things.
 
kemajic said:
WILDCATFAN said:
If this is really based on Football and basketball attendance, then teams like Montana State should be forced to move down because they cant even average 3,000 fans in basketball, and Montana can barely average 4,000 and that number is largely thanks to 2 home games against Weber State.
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How many of those two did Bball power Weber win?

Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.
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Ok Mr. Facts.

The combined Football and Basketball attendance for all 9 teams in the Big Sky last year.

Thanks to Football MSU and UM are definetely leading the pack

1. Montana - 29,756
2. Montana State- 19,993
3. Weber State- 15,364
4. Eastern Washington- 11,184
5. Sacramento State- 10,201
6. Idaho State- 9,767
7. Northern Arizona- 6,923
8. Portland State- 6,771
9. Northern Colorado- 5,497
 
WILDCATFAN said:
kemajic said:
Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.
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Ok Mr. Facts.

The combined Football and Basketball attendance for all 9 teams in the Big Sky last year.

Thanks to Football MSU and UM are definetely leading the pack

1. Montana - 29,756
2. Montana State- 19,993
3. Weber State- 15,364
4. Eastern Washington- 11,184
5. Sacramento State- 10,201
6. Idaho State- 9,767
7. Northern Arizona- 6,923
8. Portland State- 6,771
9. Northern Colorado- 5,497
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Quite enlightening data; many thanks. It speaks volumes about the BSC. And unless you include hockey, I doubt it will change much with the new additions. It likely doesn't even tell the full story about revenue generation ranking as UM has the highest ticket prices in the BSC; it would not surprise me if Weber has the highest BBall ticket prices. Supply and demand....

Facts are very often the best tool to bring passionate or biased discussions back to reality; even if the perps don't like it so much....

You're very coachable.
 
kemajic said:
WILDCATFAN said:
kemajic said:
Follow up your argument with data for combined average FB and BB attendance for MSU, UM and Weber, please.
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The combined Football and Basketball attendance for all 9 teams in the Big Sky last year.

Thanks to Football MSU and UM are definetely leading the pack

1. Montana - 29,756
2. Montana State- 19,993
3. Weber State- 15,364
4. Eastern Washington- 11,184
5. Sacramento State- 10,201
6. Idaho State- 9,767
7. Northern Arizona- 6,923
8. Portland State- 6,771
9. Northern Colorado- 5,497
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Quite enlightening data; many thanks. It speaks volumes about the BSC. And unless you include hockey, I doubt it will change much with the new additions. It likely doesn't even tell the full story about revenue generation ranking as UM has the highest ticket prices in the BSC; it would not surprise me if Weber has the highest BBall ticket prices. Supply and demand....

Facts are very often the best tool to bring passionate or biased discussions back to reality; even if the perps don't like it so much....

You're very coachable.
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The new list with UND and SUU added

1. Montana - 29,756
2. Montana State- 19,993
3. Weber State- 15,364
4. Eastern Washington- 11,184
5. Sacramento State- 10,201
6. North Dakota- 9,885
7. Idaho State- 9,767
8. Southern Utah- 9,168
9. Northern Arizona- 6,923
10. Portland State- 6,771
11. Northern Colorado- 5,497

note Cal Poly and Davis are not on the list since they are only affiliate members

the cheapest ticket at a Weber State hoops game is 10 bucks, however they raised those prices to 15 bucks apiece when we hosted USU, Utah and Texas Arlington, I think the most expensive Basketball ticket is around 20 to 28 bucks down towards the bottom
 
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