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Some Ask a Taboo Question: Is America Overreacting to Coronavirus?

timp said:
This is all over blown bullsh*t. There will be less deaths from the commie virus than the flu. The flu is here EVERY year. Destroy the economy/jobs/livelihoods because OrangeManbad. The globalists do not care about you.

Great. Got it. If you want to head to NYC and volunteer at a hospital ICU, I'll front you the gas money. Paypal. I am sure they could use your help, and since you apparently won't be needing any of their personal protective equipment, you won't be a burden.

As for me, I think I'll hang out here in the woods for a few more weeks.
 
Dutch Lane said:
PlayerRep said:
The younger lawyers at my daughter's big NYC law firm, have convinced the the firm that they need to do Friday Zoom cocktails, since they aren't together and can't connect and socialize. The firm will reimburse them $25 each Friday for food/drinks.
Are people in nyc wearing masks? My neighbor gave me one last night wore it to talk with her felt strange. Lol

Some, not all, is my understanding.
 
timp said:
This is all over blown bullsh*t. There will be less deaths from the commie virus than the flu. The flu is here EVERY year. Destroy the economy/jobs/livelihoods because OrangeManbad. The globalists do not care about you.

Help me understand your post. Are the globalist controlling things and closing down the economy in spite of Trump? Thanks
 
timp wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:22 pm
This is all over blown bullsh*t. There will be less deaths from the commie virus than the flu. The flu is here EVERY year. Destroy the economy/jobs/livelihoods because OrangeManbad. The globalists do not care about you.
Great. Got it. If you want to head to NYC and volunteer at a hospital ICU, I'll front you the gas money. Paypal. I am sure they could use your help, and since you apparently won't be needing any of their personal protective equipment, you won't be a burden.

As for me, I think I'll hang out here in the woods for a few more weeks.

NYC is not Montana. We are not in a free fire zone of infection here. No reason to ruin businesses/lives bank accounts. I am sure Gov Bullock still gets a check. Anyone with a state, county, or city job missing a check? The death toll for this and the flu will be comparable. We have never killed the economy for that before. Enjoy seeing your last 20 years work go up in bankruptcy.
 
timp said:
timp wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:22 pm
This is all over blown bullsh*t. There will be less deaths from the commie virus than the flu. The flu is here EVERY year. Destroy the economy/jobs/livelihoods because OrangeManbad. The globalists do not care about you.
Great. Got it. If you want to head to NYC and volunteer at a hospital ICU, I'll front you the gas money. Paypal. I am sure they could use your help, and since you apparently won't be needing any of their personal protective equipment, you won't be a burden.

As for me, I think I'll hang out here in the woods for a few more weeks.

NYC is not Montana. We are not in a free fire zone of infection here. No reason to ruin businesses/lives bank accounts. I am sure Gov Bullock still gets a check. Anyone with a state, county, or city job missing a check? The death toll for this and the flu will be comparable. We have never killed the economy for that before. Enjoy seeing your last 20 years work go up in bankruptcy.
Don't be such a wuss, Boris. Heck, I'll front you gas money to head up to Shelby so you can pitch in at the nursing home there.
 
"As of midafternoon Tuesday, the graph of Montana’s cases peaks on April 15 and 16, and begins to drop off. At the high point, it shows the state’s COVID-19 patients needing somewhere between 12 and 107 hospital beds, three and 19 intensive care unit beds, and two to 16 ventilators — all safely within the system’s capacity."

Missoulian online
 
timp said:
timp wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:22 pm
This is all over blown bullsh*t. There will be less deaths from the commie virus than the flu. The flu is here EVERY year. Destroy the economy/jobs/livelihoods because OrangeManbad. The globalists do not care about you.
Great. Got it. If you want to head to NYC and volunteer at a hospital ICU, I'll front you the gas money. Paypal. I am sure they could use your help, and since you apparently won't be needing any of their personal protective equipment, you won't be a burden.

As for me, I think I'll hang out here in the woods for a few more weeks.

NYC is not Montana. We are not in a free fire zone of infection here. No reason to ruin businesses/lives bank accounts. I am sure Gov Bullock still gets a check. Anyone with a state, county, or city job missing a check? The death toll for this and the flu will be comparable. We have never killed the economy for that before. Enjoy seeing your last 20 years work go up in bankruptcy.
In case you missed it:

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/story/news/2020/04/07/we-know-here-shelby-montana-residents-dealing-covid-19/2959573001/

My Paypal offer stands -- I'm sure they could use the help.
 
"Interesting data from Wuhan today – estimated “true number” of infections ~3x the official number, due to delayed implementation of testing"

From a healthcare venture fund.
 
Montana flu, 2020. 8572 diagnosis. 361 hospitallized. 9 deaths. Diagnosed in every county. As of Feb 29, 2020 per Montana Dept of Public Health. Let's close the state down.
 
timp said:
Montana flu, 2020. 8572 diagnosis. 361 hospitallized. 9 deaths. Diagnosed in every county. As of Feb 29, 2020 per Montana Dept of Public Health. Let's close the state down.

Just let me know your mileage to Shelby. I'll pay IRS reimbursement rate.
 
OK, this is not the place for your petty little spats. That's why Chris has a PM feature. Genius, eh?
 
PlayerRep said:
The younger lawyers at my daughter's big NYC law firm, have convinced the the firm that they need to do Friday Zoom cocktails, since they aren't together and can't connect and socialize. The firm will reimburse them $25 each Friday for food/drinks.

zoom's security has come into question lately: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-zoom-data-2020-4
 
PlayerRep said:
The younger lawyers at my daughter's big NYC law firm, have convinced the the firm that they need to do Friday Zoom cocktails, since they aren't together and can't connect and socialize. The firm will reimburse them $25 each Friday for food/drinks.

The Rich get Richer!
 
cclarkblues said:
OK, this is not the place for your petty little spats. That's why Chris has a PM feature. Genius, eh?

This isn't petty, nor a little spat, and just happens to be right on point regarding the 40 pages of this thread. Ban me if you want to, but you are off base on this one.

I made my point and I don't beat dead horses.
 
"How Delays and Unheeded Warnings Hindered New York’s Virus Fight

The federal response was chaotic. Even so, the state’s and city’s own initial efforts failed to keep pace with the outbreak, The Times found."

1. [The beginning in NY area. Note the March 5 date.]

"A 39-year-old woman took Flight 701 from Doha, Qatar, to John F. Kennedy International Airport in late February, the final leg of her trip home to New York City from Iran.

A week later, on March 1, she tested positive for the coronavirus, the first confirmed case in New York City of an outbreak that had already devastated China and parts of Europe. The next day, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, appearing with Mayor Bill de Blasio at a news conference, promised that health investigators would track down every person on the woman’s flight. But no one did.

A day later, a lawyer from New Rochelle, a New York City suburb, tested positive for the virus — an alarming sign because he had not traveled to any affected country, suggesting community spread was already taking place.

Although city investigators had traced the lawyer’s whereabouts and connections to the most crowded corridors of Manhattan, the state’s efforts focused on the suburb, not the city, and Mr. de Blasio urged the public not to worry. “We’ll tell you the second we think you should change your behavior,” the mayor said on March 5."

2. [Confidence from Cuomo and DiBlassio.]

"For many days after the first positive test, as the coronavirus silently spread throughout the New York region, Mr. Cuomo, Mr. de Blasio and their top aides projected an unswerving confidence that the outbreak would be readily contained.

Responses had been rehearsed during “tabletop” exercises. After all, the city had been here before — Ebola, Zika, the H1N1 virus, even Sept. 11.

“Excuse our arrogance as New Yorkers — I speak for the mayor also on this one — we think we have the best health care system on the planet right here in New York,” Mr. Cuomo said on March 2. “So, when you’re saying, what happened in other countries versus what happened here, we don’t even think it’s going to be as bad as it was in other countries.”

3. [Times blames NY. Note the 2d para. I don't really blame anyone, but it was ridiculous for NY officals and the Times to be blaming Trump and federal government. NY was more at fault. Again, I don't blame anyone, at least not yet. It was a tough and unprecedented situation, with little good data available.]

"Even so, the initial efforts by New York officials to stem the outbreak were hampered by their own confused guidance, unheeded warnings, delayed decisions and political infighting, The New York Times found.

Dr. Frieden said that if the state and city had adopted widespread social-distancing measures a week or two earlier, including closing schools, stores and restaurants, then the estimated death toll from the outbreak might have been reduced by 50 to 80 percent."

4. [Note the timing of actions by various states.]

"But New York mandated those measures after localities in states including California and Washington had done so.

San Francisco, for example, closed schools on March 12 when that city had 18 confirmed cases; Ohio also closed its schools the same day, with five confirmed cases. Mr. de Blasio ordered schools in New York to close three days later when the city had 329 cases.

Then seven Bay Area counties imposed stay-at-home rules on March 17. Two days later, the entire state of California ordered the same. New York State’s stay-at-home order came on the 20th, and went into effect on March 22."

5. [More background on being slow and seeming to be too positive.]

"From the start, Mr. de Blasio and Mr. Cuomo projected as much concern about panic as they did about the virus.

“We can really keep this thing contained,” Mr. de Blasio said at a news conference about virus preparations in late February.

That tone continued even after the first positive case was announced on March 1.

“Everybody is doing exactly what we need to do,” said Mr. Cuomo, seated with Mr. de Blasio, at a news conference on March 2. “We have been ahead of this from Day 1.”

6. [Comparison to Wuhan.]

"New York City, at the start of the outbreak, relied on 50 disease detectives to trace the rapidly rising cases of unconnected infected people, city officials said.

By comparison, in Wuhan, China, where the pandemic began, more than 9,000 such workers were deployed. New York City added to its original 50 only after the outbreak began to accelerate."

[DiBlassio waited too long.]

"By March 5, Mr. de Blasio seemed to acknowledge the virus had spread beyond control. “You have to assume it could be anywhere in the city,” he said.

Still, not wanting to cause undue alarm, he told New Yorkers to go on with their normal lives, which left many confused about the danger they faced.

The city’s health commissioner, Dr. Oxiris Barbot, had sought to reassure commuters, in early February, that “this is not something that you’re going to contract in the subway or on the bus.” The mayor reiterated the point several times in early March."

7. [CDC advice during the time.]

"The C.D.C. in early February said it was “unclear” if the virus could be transferred on surfaces and, by March, said that it might “be possible” for someone to get infected by touching a contaminated surface and then touching their face. The virus mainly spreads between people in close contact, the agency has said, such as occurs on a crowded subway."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/08/nyregion/new-york-coronavirus-response-delays.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
Dillon said:
PlayerRep said:
The younger lawyers at my daughter's big NYC law firm, have convinced the the firm that they need to do Friday Zoom cocktails, since they aren't together and can't connect and socialize. The firm will reimburse them $25 each Friday for food/drinks.

The Rich get Richer!

Yes, but that $25 helps my daughter offset the huge rent she pays for her NYC apartment, as it lays empty and she lives with us in Missoula, drinking alot of our good wine each night. Last night, we made a family rule to only drink beer at dinner.
 
"Leaders of the New York Police Department now start each day with a review of how many of its 36,000 uniformed officers are sick. By early April, it was around 19 percent." NY Times online today.
 
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