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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by HookedonGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:27 pm

Ursa Major wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:18 am
Spanky2 wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:50 am
The Griz didn’t make the play offs. The Cats got destroyed which is unfortunate for dual Cat-Griz fans. Now, I observe many of you are cheering for the other Big Sky teams, although one poster doesn’t like older Mormons, so he isn’t cheering for Weber. I don’t like any opponents of UM, so would never cheer for another Big Sky team. But if you are happy cheering for our conference opponents, to each his own.
Christmas must be a blast at your house.

What’s the itenerary this year?

Traditional gruel holiday dinner followed by the kids beating the Coach Stitt piniata filled with stale candy. Then it’s off to bed early with severe abdominal pain.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by HookedonGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:30 pm

Montana90 wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:17 am
I heard that NDSU gives compensation to their athletics as well as scholarships, it True that would be a huge advantage. That could explain the dominant program.
Yes both NDSU and UND made the decision to invest in “cost of attendance” stipends. Each player gets $ to help with living expenses and food. Beleive it comes out to about 3k-4k per athlete.

If UM does it then MSU would have to and vice versa to keep up the recruiting advantages. So far the BOR and schools have avoided it.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by Ursa Major » Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:31 pm

CDAGRIZ wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
AllWeatherFan wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:57 am
Ursa Major wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:18 am
Spanky2 wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:50 am
The Griz didn’t make the play offs. The Cats got destroyed which is unfortunate for dual Cat-Griz fans. Now, I observe many of you are cheering for the other Big Sky teams, although one poster doesn’t like older Mormons, so he isn’t cheering for Weber. I don’t like any opponents of UM, so would never cheer for another Big Sky team. But if you are happy cheering for our conference opponents, to each his own.
Christmas must be a blast at your house.

What’s the itenerary this year?

Traditional gruel holiday dinner followed by the kids beating the Coach Stitt piniata filled with stale candy. Then it’s off to bed early with severe abdominal pain.
Spanky’s grandkids are older than you, Ursa!
Just think of all the Werther's Original in that pinata, though!!! Reading this makes me want to send back soup.
:lol: Chock full of those butterscotch discs, too. They sold the industrial size bags for pennies on the dollar when the Yellowfront drugstore went out of business back in '91.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by Spanky2 » Sun Dec 02, 2018 2:59 pm

My grandkids are a bit older than Ursa who I guess to be about 14.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by CDAGRIZ » Sun Dec 02, 2018 3:11 pm

Ursa Major wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 12:31 pm
CDAGRIZ wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
AllWeatherFan wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:57 am
Ursa Major wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 4:18 am


Christmas must be a blast at your house.

What’s the itenerary this year?

Traditional gruel holiday dinner followed by the kids beating the Coach Stitt piniata filled with stale candy. Then it’s off to bed early with severe abdominal pain.
Spanky’s grandkids are older than you, Ursa!
Just think of all the Werther's Original in that pinata, though!!! Reading this makes me want to send back soup.
:lol: Chock full of those butterscotch discs, too. They sold the industrial size bags for pennies on the dollar when the Yellowfront drugstore went out of business back in '91.
That's right. Damned big box stores put them out of biz. At least these are still a big hit around the Spanky homestead on Halloween:

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Just as a quick aside, put a dab of this on your neck next time you take a gal to the drive in:

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by PAGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you don’t watch much college sports.

If you look at every single college post season for any sports and there is a bunch of teams that have no shit of being national champions in every single one.

As a matter of fact, if the FBS had the same format in football as FCS it would be the same. 20 plus teams with no chance.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by Dutch Lane » Sun Dec 02, 2018 7:26 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
Yeah, like the 9-7 2011 new year giants. What a bunch of non playoff caliber clowns who were given that participation trophy after they won the super bowl. What a freaking joke the playoffs have turned into.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by DuCharme » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:03 pm

Montana90 wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:30 am
I heard that NDSU gives additional compensation to their players besides scholarships, is that true and will the Big Sky need to go that direction?
:thumb: https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/ ... -athletes/

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by CatGrad-UMGradStu » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:31 pm

DuCharme wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:03 pm
Montana90 wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:30 am
I heard that NDSU gives additional compensation to their players besides scholarships, is that true and will the Big Sky need to go that direction?
:thumb: https://blogs.mprnews.org/newscut/2015/ ... -athletes/
Cost of Attendance in this blog is provided by their boosters I assume via their Athletic Foundation. Wonder how many other 1-AA public institutions have turned their athletic department over to their foundations as the ACC and SEC has done.

Recall how adament some college administrators and state government officials in Georgia were about that eventuality because they predicted exactly how powerful the athletic departments would become with competent businessmen running the departments instead of governmental bureaucratic personnel.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:36 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
So, do you think that only teams with a realistic shot of winning the NCAA basketball tourney should be in the tourney? How many teams? 5? 10? 15?

In FCS football, under your view, only the NDSU would be selected. No one is going to be them this year. May as well cancel the playoffs and just give them the trophy.

The Cats made it to the sound of16, but, in your view, weren't playoff caliber.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by BozAngelesGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:16 pm

PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:36 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
So, do you think that only teams with a realistic shot of winning the NCAA basketball tourney should be in the tourney? How many teams? 5? 10? 15?

In FCS football, under your view, only the NDSU would be selected. No one is going to be them this year. May as well cancel the playoffs and just give them the trophy.

The Cats made it to the sound of16, but, in your view, weren't playoff caliber.
Honestly curious...they “made it to the sound of 16?” I don’t see how they would make it on a 16 team format.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by BozAngelesGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:20 pm

PAGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you don’t watch much college sports.

If you look at every single college post season for any sports and there is a bunch of teams that have no shit of being national champions in every single one.

As a matter of fact, if the FBS had the same format in football as FCS it would be the same. 20 plus teams with no chance.
Sure, let’s expand our playoff bracket to 68 teams. Fair comparison.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:21 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:16 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:36 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am


How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
So, do you think that only teams with a realistic shot of winning the NCAA basketball tourney should be in the tourney? How many teams? 5? 10? 15?

In FCS football, under your view, only the NDSU would be selected. No one is going to be them this year. May as well cancel the playoffs and just give them the trophy.

The Cats made it to the sound of16, but, in your view, weren't playoff caliber.
Honestly curious...they “made it to the sound of 16?” I don’t see how they would make it on a 16 team format.
That's irrelevant. It shows that your thinking that they are not playoff caliber is wrong. They were. They made the round of 16. It shows that 24 teams should be selected, because the playoff committee is not capable of selecting the top 16 teams.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by BozAngelesGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:27 pm

PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:21 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:16 pm
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 8:36 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am


Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
So, do you think that only teams with a realistic shot of winning the NCAA basketball tourney should be in the tourney? How many teams? 5? 10? 15?

In FCS football, under your view, only the NDSU would be selected. No one is going to be them this year. May as well cancel the playoffs and just give them the trophy.

The Cats made it to the sound of16, but, in your view, weren't playoff caliber.
Honestly curious...they “made it to the sound of 16?” I don’t see how they would make it on a 16 team format.
That's irrelevant. It shows that your thinking that they are not playoff caliber is wrong. They were. They made the round of 16. It shows that 24 teams should be selected, because the playoff committee is not capable of selecting the top 16 teams.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by PlayerRep » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:33 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:20 pm
PAGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am


How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you don’t watch much college sports.

If you look at every single college post season for any sports and there is a bunch of teams that have no shit of being national champions in every single one.

As a matter of fact, if the FBS had the same format in football as FCS it would be the same. 20 plus teams with no chance.
Sure, let’s expand our playoff bracket to 68 teams. Fair comparison.
Huh, no one said anything about expanding the field. You said that only teams capable of winning should be selected. Do you want to shrink the ncaa basketball tourney selections.

There are 351 D-I basketball teams. There are 124 FCS teams. The percentage of teams getting into the playoffs/tourney is pretty much the same.

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by BozAngelesGriz » Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:40 pm

PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:33 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:20 pm
PAGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 6:11 pm
BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am


Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you don’t watch much college sports.

If you look at every single college post season for any sports and there is a bunch of teams that have no shit of being national champions in every single one.

As a matter of fact, if the FBS had the same format in football as FCS it would be the same. 20 plus teams with no chance.
Sure, let’s expand our playoff bracket to 68 teams. Fair comparison.
Huh, no one said anything about expanding the field. You said that only teams capable of winning should be selected. Do you want to shrink the ncaa basketball tourney selections.

There are 351 D-I basketball teams. There are 124 FCS teams. The percentage of teams getting into the playoffs/tourney is pretty much the same.
This is a football forum, so I won’t talk basketball. But my point stands...the playoffs are watered-down. If the Pioneer gets to send a team every year, then a LOT of other teams could be considered “playoff-caliber.”
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by Cujo » Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:19 pm

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.


What about when Unseeded Youngstown State went all the way to the Natty?

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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by Grizzlies1982 » Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:16 pm

Most teams in the 24 team playoffs are just cannon fodder. Yet sometimes a team gets hot and deserves to be in the mix.

I believe James Madison became champs one year after winning all four games on the road. That is a hell of a feat. I think that may have been the one and only time that happened.
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Re: Nice job Big Sky

Post by RABIDAWG » Tue Dec 04, 2018 9:22 am

BozAngelesGriz wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 11:07 am
PlayerRep wrote:
Sun Dec 02, 2018 9:42 am
RABIDAWG wrote:
Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:52 pm
In watching Weber, UC Davis, EWU, & NDSU, I am of the opinion that both Montana teams are not playoff caliber yet. Many years to go.
How can you say a team isn't playoff calibre when the team is selected for the playoffs and has a convincing first round win. That is the definition of playoff calibre. If you want to say that neither MSU or UM are top 10 caliber, no one would disagree.
Sure, in the 24-team bracket the Cats were “playoff caliber.” But one would like to assume that a “playoff caliber” team, any one of them, would at least have a shot at going to the Natty. That’s just not the case with the current system...take for example the Pioneer league auto-bid. Hell, WE were “playoff caliber,” but had no rightful place competing for the championship either. If you aren’t seeded, you’re just getting a participation trophy and maybe some exposure for your program.
I’d go with this....the top 16 could have a shot. For now, no Montana programs fit into the 16, and are far away from 10.
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