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College Admissions Scandal: Top Coaches Involved

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This is a big and interesting deal. Among other things, college coaches were bribed to get college applicants on their recruit lists. Looks like sports like soccer, sailing and whatever. Haven't seen any football coaches yet. Also, parents, some important types, actresses, charged. An admission consulting group.

"Also implicated were top college coaches, who were accused of accepting millions of dollars to help admit students to Wake Forest, Yale, Stanford, the University of Southern California and other schools, regardless of their academic or sports ability," "more than a dozen coaches at top schools including the University of Texas at Austin and the University of California."

"Those parents were willing to pay between $15,000 and $75,000 per test, which went to college entrance exam administrators who helped their children cheat on them by giving them answers, correcting their work or even letting third parties falsely pose as their children and take the tests in their stead,:

"In one example detailed in an indictment, the parents of a student applying to Yale paid Mr. Singer $1.2 million to help her get admitted. The student, who did not play soccer, was described as the co-captain of a prominent club soccer team in Southern California in order to be recruited for the Yale women’s soccer team. The coach of the Yale soccer team was bribed at least $400,000 to recruit the student."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/us/college-admissions-cheating-scandal.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
 
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
 
srgrizizen said:
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
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Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.
 
The owner of the admissions consulting business and mastermind was an assistant basketball coach at Sac State in the early 90s. When caught, he wore a wire. Was a high school hoops coach before that.
 
GrizLA said:
srgrizizen said:
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
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Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.
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His generalizations are not only incorrect, they're dangerous.
 
It's not really admissions that are feeling the inequality squeeze, though that is still an issue mostly at private colleges, it is the affordability. College is friggin' expensive!
 
GrizLA said:
srgrizizen said:
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
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Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.
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Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
GrizLA said:
srgrizizen said:
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
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Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.
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Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.
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More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?
 
BadlandsGrizFan said:
GrizLA said:
Who in hell would pay money to get into Texas? That bar was set low years ago.
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Actually Texas is a pretty damn good school, and a lot of Kids get turned away.
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Some crazy-low acceptance rates at UT. :| :|
 
GrizLA said:
BadlandsGrizFan said:
GrizLA said:
srgrizizen said:
With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.
Click to expand...
Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.
Click to expand...

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.
Click to expand...
More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?
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Bravo to you, LA. You're a rarity amongst the liberal group.... :clap:
 
It's not easy being rich. First, you have to pay the king's ransom to get you or your progeny into the damn university. Then you have to pay a premium to make sure they never leak your grades. It's hell, I tell you, hell.
 
I see that one of the sports/coaches involved was sailing. My stupid nephew for Bozeman took up sailing when he got to college last fall (actually summer). Had he put sailing on his application a year ago, he might have gotten into a better school than West Point.
 
AllWeatherFan said:
It's not easy being rich. First, you have to pay the king's ransom to get you or your progeny into the damn university. Then you have to pay a premium to make sure they never leak your grades. It's hell, I tell you, hell.
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Plus the cost of high end photo shopping to make sure that the photos of your kids really look like they are high end athletes in sports they don't even play. Also, the related posing/acting lessons for the photos.

How would you like to be that daughter, at USC, of one of the actresses who was indicted, or the kids of any of the other parents who were charged. Jeez, mom; thanks a lot. Plus, now EVERYONE knows I have a "learning disability".

I see that some people and columnists are taking this opportunity to attack the preferences that some schools give athletes in admissions. Do schools like UM lower admission standards for athletes, as long as the athletes meet the NCAA standard, or is the UM admissions standard already lower than the ncaa standard?

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

The difference between a large donation to the college and a bribe to get on an athletic recruit list is interesting.

And people like Elizabeth Warren who have used false claims regarding heritage to their advantage.
 
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