Griz til I die said:I've heard that those 2 want out but all the initial rumors made it sound like it wouldn't happen until after Texas and OU left for the SEC. Are things suddenly moving quicker?
westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
Griz2k said:westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
Yes! I really want the Griz to play in the Jimmy Kimmel bowl!
westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
grizrgood said:Griz2k said:Yes! I really want the Griz to play in the Jimmy Kimmel bowl!
Agreed! Why even discuss a move up until a better system is in place that includes playoffs! Poinsettia bowl sounds like bull shit!
Spanky2 said:westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
There are experts on this board who maintain FBS and FCS schools benefit equally from the portal.
GrizPDX said:grizrgood said:Agreed! Why even discuss a move up until a better system is in place that includes playoffs! Poinsettia bowl sounds like bull shit!
FCS is going to continue to get more and more watered down, look at the year end polls and schools left for 2022:
1 North Dakota State (24)
2 Montana State
3 X James Madison - FBS
4 X Sam Houston - FBS
5 South Dakota State
6 Montana
7 East Tennessee State
8 Villanova
9 Eastern Washington
10 Kennesaw State
11 Sacramento State
12 UT Martin
13 UIW
14 Missouri State
15 Southeastern Louisiana
16 UC Davis
17 Southern Illinois
18 Stephen F. Austin
19 Jackson State – Potential playoffs, Celebration Bowl
20 South Dakota
21 Princeton – No playoffs
22 Holy Cross
23 Dartmouth – No playoffs
24 Florida A&M – Potential playoffs, Celebration Bowl
25 Northern Iowa
That's a total of six teams of the Top 25 "best" that won't be in the playoffs in 2022. Add in future schedules:
Montana Future Schedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/montana/
What's the most attractive game on that schedule? South Dakota next year? No Griz fan is looking forward to Butler, Morehead State, Western Carolina, Dixie State. How about future schedules for Wyoming as a reasonable MWC comparison?
Wyoming Future Schedule: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wyoming/
This list includes Illinois, BYU, Texas Tech, Texas, App State, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Cal, Arizona as a starting point. FCS playoffs averaged just over 8k per game. Ratings for the two bowl games in Frisco were also similar to that of the FCS title game and those games were on a Tuesday or Thursday.
More money, better opponents, more exposure, better athletes, better product. How can people continue to think that these playoffs are where we need to be, or more importantly that these playoffs will continue to matter? 1995, 2001 were incredible years and good for the University. Montana fans care more than about any other FCS program out there, but FCS isn't where this University belongs.
AZ, let's put the regular season aside for a minute. I agree, that the FBS regular season as whole is so much more attractive than the FCS regular season. Tell me this though, would you personally enjoy watching the Griz play in the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl or Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, or the FCS Playoffs? Because I totally agree with you that getting to play Mountain West teams in Wa-Griz would be much more fun than UNC or PSU, but man do bowl games suck. The minute the P5 and G5 split and the G5 forms their own playoff (which is actually more realistic than some may think, with the new proposed NCAA constitution and with the CFP talks continuing to stall ), then we gotta go. In fact, I'd be pissed if we didn't move up for that. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some of the better Big Sky schools like msu, Weber, Idaho, Davis, and NAU would all do it too.AZGrizFan said:GrizPDX said:FCS is going to continue to get more and more watered down, look at the year end polls and schools left for 2022:
1 North Dakota State (24)
2 Montana State
3 X James Madison - FBS
4 X Sam Houston - FBS
5 South Dakota State
6 Montana
7 East Tennessee State
8 Villanova
9 Eastern Washington
10 Kennesaw State
11 Sacramento State
12 UT Martin
13 UIW
14 Missouri State
15 Southeastern Louisiana
16 UC Davis
17 Southern Illinois
18 Stephen F. Austin
19 Jackson State – Potential playoffs, Celebration Bowl
20 South Dakota
21 Princeton – No playoffs
22 Holy Cross
23 Dartmouth – No playoffs
24 Florida A&M – Potential playoffs, Celebration Bowl
25 Northern Iowa
That's a total of six teams of the Top 25 "best" that won't be in the playoffs in 2022. Add in future schedules:
Montana Future Schedules: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/montana/
What's the most attractive game on that schedule? South Dakota next year? No Griz fan is looking forward to Butler, Morehead State, Western Carolina, Dixie State. How about future schedules for Wyoming as a reasonable MWC comparison?
Wyoming Future Schedule: https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/wyoming/
This list includes Illinois, BYU, Texas Tech, Texas, App State, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado, Cal, Arizona as a starting point. FCS playoffs averaged just over 8k per game. Ratings for the two bowl games in Frisco were also similar to that of the FCS title game and those games were on a Tuesday or Thursday.
More money, better opponents, more exposure, better athletes, better product. How can people continue to think that these playoffs are where we need to be, or more importantly that these playoffs will continue to matter? 1995, 2001 were incredible years and good for the University. Montana fans care more than about any other FCS program out there, but FCS isn't where this University belongs.
Preach. :clap: :clap: :clap:
The same people who don't want to move up because "playoffs" are usually first in line to bitch about the weakness of nonconference (hell, even conference) opponents and how the ticket prices aren't worth the competition level...
Griz til I die said:AZ, let's put the regular season aside for a minute. I agree, that the FBS regular season as whole is so much more attractive than the FCS regular season. Tell me this though, would you personally enjoy watching the Griz play in the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl or Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, or the FCS Playoffs? Because I totally agree with you that getting to play Mountain West teams in Wa-Griz would be much more fun than UNC or PSU, but man do bowl games suck. The minute the P5 and G5 split and the G5 forms their own playoff (which is actually more realistic than some may think, with the new proposed NCAA constitution and with the CFP talks continuing to stall ), then we gotta go. In fact, I'd be pissed if we didn't move up for that. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some of the better Big Sky schools like msu, Weber, Idaho, Davis, and NAU would all do it too.AZGrizFan said:Preach. :clap: :clap: :clap:
The same people who don't want to move up because "playoffs" are usually first in line to bitch about the weakness of nonconference (hell, even conference) opponents and how the ticket prices aren't worth the competition level...
No need to go anywhere right now, nor are we in any position to move right now since the MWC has said they have no desire to expand. Once San Diego State and Boise State leave which is likely 3-4 years down the road, then we should strongly consider it and I would think us, msu, NDSU, and SDSU should all be in consideration for the MWC. Maybe they would take all 4 of us or possibly even give Idaho a look.
Spanky2 said:westsider said:PLEASE pick us and be done with small ball and the breeding ground for the transfer portal.
There are experts on this board who maintain FBS and FCS schools benefit equally from the portal.
AllWeatherFan said:The problem with you move up people is that you cannot admit that there is nothing more exciting than a road trip to Greeley.
Griz til I die said:AZ, let's put the regular season aside for a minute. I agree, that the FBS regular season as whole is so much more attractive than the FCS regular season. Tell me this though, would you personally enjoy watching the Griz play in the Jimmy Kimmel LA Bowl or Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, or the FCS Playoffs? Because I totally agree with you that getting to play Mountain West teams in Wa-Griz would be much more fun than UNC or PSU, but man do bowl games suck. The minute the P5 and G5 split and the G5 forms their own playoff (which is actually more realistic than some may think, with the new proposed NCAA constitution and with the CFP talks continuing to stall ), then we gotta go. In fact, I'd be pissed if we didn't move up for that. In fact, I'd be willing to bet some of the better Big Sky schools like msu, Weber, Idaho, Davis, and NAU would all do it too.
No need to go anywhere right now, nor are we in any position to move right now since the MWC has said they have no desire to expand. Once San Diego State and Boise State leave which is likely 3-4 years down the road, then we should strongly consider it and I would think us, msu, NDSU, and SDSU should all be in consideration for the MWC. Maybe they would take all 4 of us or possibly even give Idaho a look.