Montana Football History?

spartypants · Jul 18, 2011

Are there any good online resources dedicated to Griz history that consist of more than just stats? When did Montana stop using the name "Montana State University"?

I know Idaho's original administration building (which burned) said "Idaho State University" on it and I can't find when that name was discontinued either.

ltcdad · Jul 18, 2011

Changed from MSU to UM in July, 1965.

TheBud · Jul 18, 2011

There are several sources. Here are the main ones that I can think of:

http://www.montanagrizzlies.com/pages/?p=36&m=37

http://www.gogriz.com/sports/m-footbl/mont-m-footbl-body.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana_Grizzlies_football

http://silverfb.com/bscfb.htm

http://www.egriz.com/grizzlies.php

http://www.grizzoulian.com/

http://www.uofmgrizzlies.com/uofmgrizzlies_002.htm

http://grizvox.com/

http://crnich.dyndns.org/wp/

http://montanagrizzliesfootballalive.com/

http://www.montanalinks.com/categories/Sports-Grizzlies.html

http://missoulian.com/college/griz/

http://www.montanakaimin.com/sports

TheBud · Jul 18, 2011

Here is an interesting blast from the past:

http://www.umt.edu/urelations/mainhall/302/302.htm

http://www.umt.edu/urelations/mainhall/302/griz.htm

http://www.umt.edu/urelations/mainhall/302/detroit.htm

And, of course, there is Doug:

http://www.whitefishwinterclassic.org/index.php?page=dougs-story

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Silenoz · Jul 18, 2011

Not online, but we have a pretty recent coffee-table book covering the history of Griz football. Maybe someone has scanned in some of the pages somewhere

NavyBlue · Jul 18, 2011

Wow, the Doug Betters story is very inspirational. I was a big Dolphins fan back in the 80s. I had no idea the Doug had that accident. What a great guy. Very impressive.

TheBud · Jul 19, 2011

Another great blog - from a sCat fan, no less:

http://mslacat.blogspot.com/

A couple others:

http://grizpawblog.com/

http://www.makeitmissoula.com/

Anyone else?

TheBud · Jul 19, 2011

You cannot have Griz football without beer...

Have you seen this blog?

http://grizzlygrowler.com/

It is pretty well done, including the link to the map of Montana breweries.

spartypants · Jul 19, 2011

How about a good resource for old football photos (1970's and earlier)?

AZDoc · Jul 19, 2011

Silenoz said:
Not online, but we have a pretty recent coffee-table book covering the history of Griz football. Maybe someone has scanned in some of the pages somewhere

Think it's the same one I got for christmas last year. Good book.

Silvertip · Jul 19, 2011

sparty: Vandal fans have every reason to second guess the questionable decisions mad after venerable Neale Stadium was replaced with the (urrp) Kibbie Dome. How much betterto have replaced the destroyed wooden bleachers with concrete leaving open the opportunity to add seats to an easily expandable outdoor stadium. Certainly UI could have had seatng in the 20,000 to 25,000 plus range by now. The KD is a football anachronism I expect most UI fams would admit.

See it and weep, Vandal fans. Unlike KD, Neale looked like a stadium!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Neale_Stadium_50s.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho.htm&usg=__MOM5tRmlRlsPJbVEAL4rXOHrw-c=&h=613&w=1045&sz=170&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Wcrcreasmtj4EM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=183&ei=jO8lTqefKufZiAK2-qXgCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dneale%2Bstadium%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1434%26bih%3D762%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=163&vpy=102&dur=219&hovh=172&hovw=293&tx=138&ty=109&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1434&bih=762" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

cclarkblues · Jul 19, 2011

AZDoc said:
Silenoz said:

Not online, but we have a pretty recent coffee-table book covering the history of Griz football. Maybe someone has scanned in some of the pages somewhere

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Think it's the same one I got for christmas last year. Good book.

All I got was a coffee table book about coffee tables.

TheBud · Jul 19, 2011

AZDoc said:
Silenoz said:

Not online, but we have a pretty recent coffee-table book covering the history of Griz football. Maybe someone has scanned in some of the pages somewhere

Click to expand...

Think it's the same one I got for christmas last year. Good book.

This one?

gah-riz said:
The Grizzly Football vault would be a good reference, has more than just the years you are looking for:

http://tinyurl.com/3l9xhq6

GRIZFAN20 said:
grizatheart said:

Do you know who is was that made the book?

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Towards the end of the book, GGG is pictured in his game day uniform. He is captioned as being Montana's "Ultimate Fan"

PlayerRep said:
The History of the Montana Grizzlies by Mick Holien.

http://www.betterworldbooks.com/index.aspx/the-university-of-montana-football-vault-id-0794828086.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"Football: My Unlikely Therapist" by Stacy McCarthy

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Football-My-Unlikely-Therapist-by-Stacy-McCarthy/133335480031681?v=wall&viewas=0" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gallatin Griz said:
Another book with useful info is "The Divide War" by Kearney. See link. It is mostly about the Griz/cat rivalry but it does have info on other games for each season covered.

http://www.buttebooks.com/dividewar/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

GRIZFAN20 said:
I dont know if many of you are aware of this, but for my birthday I received a new book available from the bookstore. It is called the University of Montana Football Vault, it is written by Mick Holien and is an amazing collection of stories, pictures, and reproduced artifacts such as game tickets, programs and other items. It covered the entire history of the Griz up to last year's national championship game. I have just started reading the stories, but I can tell you this is an amazing piece of Griz history and should be owned by every serious Griz fan.

http://www.montanabookstore.com/shop_pr" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... t_list.asp

spartypants · Jul 19, 2011

Silvertip said:
sparty: Vandal fans have every reason to second guess the questionable decisions mad after venerable Neale Stadium was replaced with the (urrp) Kibbie Dome. How much betterto have replaced the destroyed wooden bleachers with concrete leaving open the opportunity to add seats to an easily expandable outdoor stadium. Certainly UI could have had seatng in the 20,000 to 25,000 plus range by now. The KD is a football anachronism I expect most UI fams would admit.

See it and weep, Vandal fans. Unlike KD, Neale looked like a stadium!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Neale_Stadium_50s.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho.htm&usg=__MOM5tRmlRlsPJbVEAL4rXOHrw-c=&h=613&w=1045&sz=170&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Wcrcreasmtj4EM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=183&ei=jO8lTqefKufZiAK2-qXgCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dneale%2Bstadium%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1434%26bih%3D762%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=163&vpy=102&dur=219&hovh=172&hovw=293&tx=138&ty=109&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1434&bih=762" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I don't think it was necessarily the "dome" that was the mistake. It was downsizing the original plan by several thousand seats and eliminating the arena that cost the Vandals the future. After all, domes were in fashion in the 70's. It's just that the design was so incompatible with expansion.

Idaho actually lost two great stadiums. Neale Stadium was good, but MacLean field would have been absolutely beautiful nowadays.

TheBud · Jul 19, 2011

Great story from Grizzly Football history:

The Sports Illistrated's SI Vault, Your Link to Sports History, story on the NCAA Division I-AA championship game between Montana and Marshall at the Thundering Herd's home in Huntington, WV in 1995...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1007606/index.htm

Note: There are 2 pages to the story in the link.

Check out the comments on Dickenson after the game.

There are several more SI Vault stories or blurbs about Montana in this link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/va...Grizzlies/1900-01-01/2100-12-31/mdd/index.htm

Silenoz · Jul 19, 2011

cclarkblues said:
AZDoc said:

Silenoz said:

Not online, but we have a pretty recent coffee-table book covering the history of Griz football. Maybe someone has scanned in some of the pages somewhere

Click to expand...

Think it's the same one I got for christmas last year. Good book.

Click to expand...

All I got was a coffee table book about coffee tables.

But on the bright side it has built-in legs and coaster

Silvertip · Jul 19, 2011

spartypants said:
Silvertip said:

sparty: Vandal fans have every reason to second guess the questionable decisions mad after venerable Neale Stadium was replaced with the (urrp) Kibbie Dome. How much betterto have replaced the destroyed wooden bleachers with concrete leaving open the opportunity to add seats to an easily expandable outdoor stadium. Certainly UI could have had seatng in the 20,000 to 25,000 plus range by now. The KD is a football anachronism I expect most UI fams would admit.

See it and weep, Vandal fans. Unlike KD, Neale looked like a stadium!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Neale_Stadium_50s.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho.htm&usg=__MOM5tRmlRlsPJbVEAL4rXOHrw-c=&h=613&w=1045&sz=170&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Wcrcreasmtj4EM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=183&ei=jO8lTqefKufZiAK2-qXgCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dneale%2Bstadium%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1434%26bih%3D762%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=163&vpy=102&dur=219&hovh=172&hovw=293&tx=138&ty=109&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1434&bih=762" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I don't think it was necessarily the "dome" that was the mistake. It was downsizing the original plan by several thousand seats and eliminating the arena that cost the Vandals the future. After all, domes were in fashion in the 70's. It's just that the design was so incompatible with expansion.

Idaho actually lost two great stadiums. Neale Stadium was good, but MacLean field would have been absolutely beautiful nowadays.

Domes (which BTW Kibbie geometrically isn't) like the erstwhile circular sports stadiums represent kind of an architectural fad. The "circulars" in Cincinnati. Pitsburgh and St Louis have all passed into history. Then there's Kansas City's 40 year-old Arrowhead Stadium which is as contemporary today as anything being built in the past 10 years. There's also Washington-Grizzly Stadium whose additions have been based on whim like Sarah Winchester's house in San Jose. Former UM Prexy Dennison also thought, like Sarah, that he would live as long as he kept expanding. But he's still alive I'm told.

Silvertip · Jul 19, 2011

PS: Forgot to mention I liked the gigantic gothic press box above the old Vandal stadium.

dbackjon · Jul 19, 2011

Silvertip said:
sparty: Vandal fans have every reason to second guess the questionable decisions mad after venerable Neale Stadium was replaced with the (urrp) Kibbie Dome. How much betterto have replaced the destroyed wooden bleachers with concrete leaving open the opportunity to add seats to an easily expandable outdoor stadium. Certainly UI could have had seatng in the 20,000 to 25,000 plus range by now. The KD is a football anachronism I expect most UI fams would admit.

See it and weep, Vandal fans. Unlike KD, Neale looked like a stadium!

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Neale_Stadium_50s.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.tomandrodna.com/Idaho.htm&usg=__MOM5tRmlRlsPJbVEAL4rXOHrw-c=&h=613&w=1045&sz=170&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Wcrcreasmtj4EM:&tbnh=107&tbnw=183&ei=jO8lTqefKufZiAK2-qXgCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dneale%2Bstadium%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG%26biw%3D1434%26bih%3D762%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=163&vpy=102&dur=219&hovh=172&hovw=293&tx=138&ty=109&page=1&ndsp=25&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&biw=1434&bih=762" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And you can be grateful that UM couldn't afford to build a new stadium in the early to mid-80's, when likely that stadium would have been a similar dome. I can remember hearing the Grizzly President or AD (not sure who) back in 1983 being interviewed on Flagstaff radio before the UM-NAU game, gushing over the then new and state-of-the-art Skydome, wishing he could upgrade to something so nice...

Silvertip · Jul 19, 2011

I used to have the Missoulian clippings from the mid 60's showing the architects rendering for the proposed Wa-Griz Stadium with its original symetrical design showing that it would be built to accomodate a "dome." There were two small upper decks that would have raised capacity to 16,000 without any end zone seating. All of that went out the window with the first two expansions.

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