hokeyfine said:
kemajic said:
hokeyfine said:
i agree. i wasn't comparing them to cal tech. it is my experience with the sciences at both schools that msu is far above um in stem programs. im sorry, but the chemistry program at um is terrible. it has no facilities or research to benefit undergrads.
Now you are exposing your lack of analytics regarding UM sciences and veering into my center. I spent two summers full time and two academic years part time doing research in chemistry, which not only produced publications, but enabled a grad fellowship to a PAC10 institution resulting in a PhD in 4 years. I am not the exception, as most UM chem graduates find themselves at advantage relative to other graduates in the competitive grad environment. It's inferiority is in the graduate programs, not its undergraduate programs. I spent a career recruiting chemistry students so had exposure to a lot of University undergrad programs. The bigger schools focused on their grad programs and their undergrad programs were there to provide the means. At Montana the focus has always been on undergraduate and do that very well. I have no idea where you got the idea that undergraduate research is not available at Montana. Fake News.
never said that undergraduate research wasn't available. i said the facilites are poor at best.
You said, "the chemistry program at UM is terrible. It has no facilities
or research to benefit undergrads." I call BS. The chemistry building is old, yes; undergraduate research continues. UM chemistry grads are excellent candidates for graduate programs in chemistry. Better prepared for advanced degrees (necessary in chemistry) than most, including MSU. To quote, I had to correct your spelling and punctuation, surprisingly poor for someone so experienced in science at both schools. Ever publish any scientific articles?