Griziron said:Any chance that some of the injured OL (Hart, Scott) make it back at some point this season?
I believe Scott has retired. Not sure about Hart.
Griziron said:Any chance that some of the injured OL (Hart, Scott) make it back at some point this season?
AZGrizFan said:Disclaimer: I’m not passing judgment, but asking a question because I truly don’t know the answer:
We are on our fourth year with Germer as O-line coach. We’ve had the consistency in that area that one would presumably desire. He’s presumably had significant input into who is recruited and signed in that area. Yet our O-line has underperformed for all of those four years (both in recruiting success and actual performance on the field).
Germer gets a TON of love on this board...yet he has been unable to produce, really, a single above average offensive lineman in four years. Is it possible he’s not the answer?
AZGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:CatGrad-UMGradStu said:AZGrizFan said:I really don’t like it when people start cherry picking plays to include or not include in an average. We ran the ball for 4.6 ypc. Period. If you’re going to take out the good plays, then stats are absolutely meaningless.
Good plays are outliers. Good data manipulators throw out outliers. Then they can publish a peer reviewed journal article in a highly respected online chatroom such as egriz.
Unless you've never played the game and then you are either stupid or an idiot by the self professed egriz journal editor.
Good plays in football are not outliers. Good plays are what every team strives for, and what every D tries to prevent the other team from doing.
Can tell you never played the game. My god, save yourself some embarrassment and stop saying so many dumb things.
:lol: :lol: Yeah, I literally laughed out loud at that comment. “Good” plays are outliers. Where do we draw the line then as far as what plays we get to count in the stats? :roll:
AZGrizFan said:Like I said, he gets a lot of love on this board. He doesn’t come up to my lake house, so I don’t know the man personally....
Unfortunately, O-line performance isn’t measured solely in # of sacks given up. That can be manipulated by playcalling, # of steps in the drop, rolling out the QB consistently, etc., etc.
All that praise, and yet he’s still O-fer in development of any O-lineman anybody here would call above average during his time here. We’ve consistently complained about the O-line here for the past several years...and he’s the only thing that’s been consistent in that period.
PlayerRep said:AZGrizFan said:Like I said, he gets a lot of love on this board. He doesn’t come up to my lake house, so I don’t know the man personally....
Unfortunately, O-line performance isn’t measured solely in # of sacks given up. That can be manipulated by playcalling, # of steps in the drop, rolling out the QB consistently, etc., etc.
All that praise, and yet he’s still O-fer in development of any O-lineman anybody here would call above average during his time here. We’ve consistently complained about the O-line here for the past several years...and he’s the only thing that’s been consistent in that period.
Because of Germer, the o-lilne has performed better than it otherwise would, just like it did on Saturday. In the last few years, he has turned TE's into starting o-lineman. A minor miracle.
Come to some games, and come down on the field and talk to him. Or, come to a QB Club meeting. Or, have your wife work with his sister, like mine.
AZGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:AZGrizFan said:Like I said, he gets a lot of love on this board. He doesn’t come up to my lake house, so I don’t know the man personally....
Unfortunately, O-line performance isn’t measured solely in # of sacks given up. That can be manipulated by playcalling, # of steps in the drop, rolling out the QB consistently, etc., etc.
All that praise, and yet he’s still O-fer in development of any O-lineman anybody here would call above average during his time here. We’ve consistently complained about the O-line here for the past several years...and he’s the only thing that’s been consistent in that period.
Because of Germer, the o-lilne has performed better than it otherwise would, just like it did on Saturday. In the last few years, he has turned TE's into starting o-lineman. A minor miracle.
Come to some games, and come down on the field and talk to him. Or, come to a QB Club meeting. Or, have your wife work with his sister, like mine.
:lol: :lol: I KNEW there had to be a close connection there, PR.
The question is really almost rhetorical...we know what we have WITH him, but we don’t know for sure what we’d have WITHOUT him.
As I said in my opening post, I’m not passing judgement...but I will say this: I think Rosey does a great job with the scheme to minimize the damage the O-line can do...I’ll leave it at that.
PlayerRep said:AZGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:AZGrizFan said:Like I said, he gets a lot of love on this board. He doesn’t come up to my lake house, so I don’t know the man personally....
Unfortunately, O-line performance isn’t measured solely in # of sacks given up. That can be manipulated by playcalling, # of steps in the drop, rolling out the QB consistently, etc., etc.
All that praise, and yet he’s still O-fer in development of any O-lineman anybody here would call above average during his time here. We’ve consistently complained about the O-line here for the past several years...and he’s the only thing that’s been consistent in that period.
Because of Germer, the o-lilne has performed better than it otherwise would, just like it did on Saturday. In the last few years, he has turned TE's into starting o-lineman. A minor miracle.
Come to some games, and come down on the field and talk to him. Or, come to a QB Club meeting. Or, have your wife work with his sister, like mine.
:lol: :lol: I KNEW there had to be a close connection there, PR.
The question is really almost rhetorical...we know what we have WITH him, but we don’t know for sure what we’d have WITHOUT him.
As I said in my opening post, I’m not passing judgement...but I will say this: I think Rosey does a great job with the scheme to minimize the damage the O-line can do...I’ll leave it at that.
You may not know what we'd have without him, but some of us and Hauck do.
MsMaroon said:Ursa Major said:Before weighing in on this subject, I’m waiting for Growler’s upcoming comprehensive tutorial post on the subject entitled, Blockers Block.
Only then will I feel comfortable discussing this topic. :roll:
I am trying to find my comfort level as well. I'm sitting outside on my front porch sharing rose' in my favorite glasses while my faux grandson is playing with blocks. All the dogs on the block are growling at kids playing and repping so that is somewhat distracting as I'm trying to study the blocking in my play script - O the lines I have to learn.Thank goodness the sun is blocked where I am sitting, so my view of everyone out running isn't obstructed by shiny notions of pie in the sky or routes not taken.
One more teeny-tiny irritation and fervent wish. That every ignorant blockhead who uses opposite gender terms and references as a means of mocking and insulting his fellow man be permanently banned - oh, sorry - band. It's difficult to block that shit out.
Griz#64 said:Just an observation: If you are trying to run between the Tackles(300lbs plus), You better have some line splits. Looks like we are in there foot to foot, probably not much room for a fullback lead power play. I believe with the Shotgun ,the coaches implemented the Stretch, to move those big butt linemen out of the hole. The Wishbone was designed to hit really quick to move big butts out of the hole.Sealing LB'ers off, and making containment Make bad decisions. I have concerns that the current short yardage concept, kinda mirrors last years futile efforts to convert short yardage o=rf even control the ball when trying to take some time off the clock. All that said, Hell if the defense is happy cramming three or 4 big butts into two holes. Throw the ball. 4th down is just another offensive down.. (Bob Stitt)?? Go Griz 2-0
AZGrizFan said:PlayerRep said:AZGrizFan said:Like I said, he gets a lot of love on this board. He doesn’t come up to my lake house, so I don’t know the man personally....
Unfortunately, O-line performance isn’t measured solely in # of sacks given up. That can be manipulated by playcalling, # of steps in the drop, rolling out the QB consistently, etc., etc.
All that praise, and yet he’s still O-fer in development of any O-lineman anybody here would call above average during his time here. We’ve consistently complained about the O-line here for the past several years...and he’s the only thing that’s been consistent in that period.
Because of Germer, the o-lilne has performed better than it otherwise would, just like it did on Saturday. In the last few years, he has turned TE's into starting o-lineman. A minor miracle.
Come to some games, and come down on the field and talk to him. Or, come to a QB Club meeting. Or, have your wife work with his sister, like mine.
:lol: :lol: I KNEW there had to be a close connection there, PR.
The question is really almost rhetorical...we know what we have WITH him, but we don’t know for sure what we’d have WITHOUT him.
As I said in my opening post, I’m not passing judgement...but I will say this: I think Rosey does a great job with the scheme to minimize the damage the O-line can do...I’ll leave it at that.
AZGrizFan said:Here’s a stat that would surprise anyone: Montana has a 3.4 YPC average. Cal Poly’s average is 2.5.
Yes, I realize who they’ve both played.
Da Boyz Mom said:AZGrizFan said:I really don’t like it when people start cherry picking plays to include or not include in an average. We ran the ball for 4.6 ypc. Period. If you’re going to take out the good plays, then stats are absolutely meaningless.
Exactly. An average is usually derived by finding the mean - which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in a set by their number. You can lie with statistics by manipulating the data set but the math itself never lies.
MsMaroon said:Ursa Major said:Before weighing in on this subject, I’m waiting for Growler’s upcoming comprehensive tutorial post on the subject entitled, Blockers Block.
Only then will I feel comfortable discussing this topic. :roll:
I am trying to find my comfort level as well. I'm sitting outside on my front porch sharing rose' in my favorite glasses while my faux grandson is playing with blocks. All the dogs on the block are growling at kids playing and repping so that is somewhat distracting as I'm trying to study the blocking in my play script - O the lines I have to learn.Thank goodness the sun is blocked where I am sitting, so my view of everyone out running isn't obstructed by shiny notions of pie in the sky or routes not taken.
One more teeny-tiny irritation and fervent wish. That every ignorant blockhead who uses opposite gender terms and references as a means of mocking and insulting his fellow man be permanently banned - oh, sorry - band. It's difficult to block that shit out.