St. Francis - Brooklyn Eliminates All Sports

mthoopsfan said:

St. Francis is D-I and made the FCS playoffs this year.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/st-francis-brooklyn-stunningly-cuts-entire-athletics-program/

"St. Francis Brooklyn stunningly eliminates entire athletics program

St. Francis College’s athletic department is suddenly no more.

The school announced Monday afternoon that its board of trustees approved a strategic realignment plan that included the elimination of the college’s entire Division I athletics program effective after the conclusion of the 2023 spring semester.

The school’s coaches were informed of the news Monday morning and the athletes were told during the afternoon prior to the official announcement, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

“I come to you today to share the news of a decision I never anticipated during my time at St. Francis College,” athletic director Irma Garcia said in a statement. “I am heartbroken that a decision has been made to eliminate the College’s athletics program.”

The men’s basketball program, which dates back to 1896, was the oldest college program in New York City and a charter member of the NCAA."

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uofmman1122 said:

mthoopsfan said:

St. Francis is D-I and made the FCS playoffs this year.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/20/st-francis-brooklyn-stunningly-cuts-entire-athletics-program/

"St. Francis Brooklyn stunningly eliminates entire athletics program

St. Francis College’s athletic department is suddenly no more.

The school announced Monday afternoon that its board of trustees approved a strategic realignment plan that included the elimination of the college’s entire Division I athletics program effective after the conclusion of the 2023 spring semester.

The school’s coaches were informed of the news Monday morning and the athletes were told during the afternoon prior to the official announcement, according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

“I come to you today to share the news of a decision I never anticipated during my time at St. Francis College,” athletic director Irma Garcia said in a statement. “I am heartbroken that a decision has been made to eliminate the College’s athletics program.”

The men’s basketball program, which dates back to 1896, was the oldest college program in New York City and a charter member of the NCAA."

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Those are two different schools.

Saint Francis (Pennsylvania) is the DI FCS team that made the playoffs and came to Missoula in 2016.

Saint Francis Brooklyn is in New York and doesn't have a football program.

They do, however, both belong to the NEC conference.

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mthoopsfan said:

uofmman1122 said:

Those are two different schools.

Saint Francis (Pennsylvania) is the DI FCS team that made the playoffs and came to Missoula in 2016.

Saint Francis Brooklyn is in New York and doesn't have a football program.

They do, however, both belong to the NEC conference.

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My bad. I goofed up. Thx.

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mthoopsfan said:

uofmman1122 said:

Those are two different schools.

Saint Francis (Pennsylvania) is the DI FCS team that made the playoffs and came to Missoula in 2016.

Saint Francis Brooklyn is in New York and doesn't have a football program.

They do, however, both belong to the NEC conference.

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My bad. I goofed up. Thx.

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AZGrizFan said:

I’m honestly surprised we’re not seeing more of this. Soooooo many schools dump massive $$ into sports that generate no (or negative) return…seems like a dumb business model to me…I get the “visibility” aspect, but this is a perfect example…they had all these sports and nobody (even at our level) had ever heard of them.

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grizband said:

AZGrizFan said:

I’m honestly surprised we’re not seeing more of this. Soooooo many schools dump massive $$ into sports that generate no (or negative) return…seems like a dumb business model to me…I get the “visibility” aspect, but this is a perfect example…they had all these sports and nobody (even at our level) had ever heard of them.

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With an enrollment under 3,000 students, I couldn't believe they fund 21 sports.

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grizband said:

AZGrizFan said:

I’m honestly surprised we’re not seeing more of this. Soooooo many schools dump massive $$ into sports that generate no (or negative) return…seems like a dumb business model to me…I get the “visibility” aspect, but this is a perfect example…they had all these sports and nobody (even at our level) had ever heard of them.

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With an enrollment under 3,000 students, I couldn't believe they fund 21 sports.

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mthoopsfan said:

grizband said:

With an enrollment under 3,000 students, I couldn't believe they fund 21 sports.

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Princeton has 5300 undergrads, and 35 teams in 20 sports.

Harvard has 42 teams, more than any college. 7150 undergrads.

Dartmouth was 4500 undergrads. More than 75% of undergraduate students are involved in 35 Division I varsity teams and 33 club sports.

The Ivies don't have grad students to play in any sports, to my knowledge.

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AZGrizFan said:

mthoopsfan said:

Princeton has 5300 undergrads, and 35 teams in 20 sports.

Harvard has 42 teams, more than any college. 7150 undergrads.

Dartmouth was 4500 undergrads. More than 75% of undergraduate students are involved in 35 Division I varsity teams and 33 club sports.

The Ivies don't have grad students to play in any sports, to my knowledge.

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The ivies also have gigantic slush funds, do they not? :lol:

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mthoopsfan said:

AZGrizFan said:

The ivies also have gigantic slush funds, do they not? :lol:

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Some have huge endowments, but they don't direct that money to athletics. Most goes to the rising costs of academics and financial aid. A larger and larger portion of the funding of athletics comes from Friends groups for the various sports and big donations from rich alums. Funding athletics in the Ivies is one thing, but getting recruits of major sports admitted is the tougher thing. The sizes of the undergraduate colleges at the schools/universities are fairly small, and grad students can't play Ivy sports. You can imagine the tension/fights over slots for recruits for major sports like football, basketball, hockey and lacrosse, at a smaller school like Dartmouth (and all of the Ivies). Professors and most administrations don't want to "waste" slots for athletes.

Unlike the fantasy situation/standards expoused by Soldier regarding the Academies, i.e. that the athletes meet the same high standards of the main student body and athletes don't have a leg up in terms of being accepted, the Ivies do allow a certain number of slots for recruited athletes that are below the average and semi-average of the main part of the student body. Groups other than athletes, like POC, great musicians, legacies, and kids of huge donors and potential donors, also get an extra look or two by admissions. At Dartmouth, virtually every football player graduates, and Dartmouth is often at the top of the national graduation heap. The Ivies don't have redshirting, except for injuries. Even then, graduated students can't play sports as grad students.

Schools like Stanford and Duke do the same thing for athletes. My impression is that they dip a bit lower than the Ivies. Players don't generally come to the Ivies or Stanford through the Portal, as they don't have strong enough athletics, and, at least in the Ivies, the schools don't let anyone transfer to the school with only a year or so left before graduation. Transferring to the Ivies isn't very easy or common anyway.

I have to laugh when Soldier tells us that the academy prep schools, from where about half of academy athletes come, magically get the prep school kids up to full academic par in one year. Even though only those who can't get accepted into the Academy due to low academic qualifications, are taken by the prep schools. About 80% of academy prep school students get accepted to the Academies the next year. Everyone associated with the admission of athletes to the Academies, knows that the prep schools are the way to get lower academic athletes into the academy. Statistical studies from the academies show that many of the athletes, especially of major sports, generally graduate way down in academics. They may excel in the physical and leadership segments, though. I'm good with all this.

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mthoopsfan said:

Some have huge endowments, but they don't direct that money to athletics. Most goes to the rising costs of academics and financial aid. A larger and larger portion of the funding of athletics comes from Friends groups for the various sports and big donations from rich alums. Funding athletics in the Ivies is one thing, but getting recruits of major sports admitted is the tougher thing. The sizes of the undergraduate colleges at the schools/universities are fairly small, and grad students can't play Ivy sports. You can imagine the tension/fights over slots for recruits for major sports like football, basketball, hockey and lacrosse, at a smaller school like Dartmouth (and all of the Ivies). Professors and most administrations don't want to "waste" slots for athletes.

Unlike the fantasy situation/standards expoused by Soldier regarding the Academies, i.e. that the athletes meet the same high standards of the main student body and athletes don't have a leg up in terms of being accepted, the Ivies do allow a certain number of slots for recruited athletes that are below the average and semi-average of the main part of the student body. Groups other than athletes, like POC, great musicians, legacies, and kids of huge donors and potential donors, also get an extra look or two by admissions. At Dartmouth, virtually every football player graduates, and Dartmouth is often at the top of the national graduation heap. The Ivies don't have redshirting, except for injuries. Even then, graduated students can't play sports as grad students.

Schools like Stanford and Duke do the same thing for athletes. My impression is that they dip a bit lower than the Ivies. Players don't generally come to the Ivies or Stanford through the Portal, as they don't have strong enough athletics, and, at least in the Ivies, the schools don't let anyone transfer to the school with only a year or so left before graduation. Transferring to the Ivies isn't very easy or common anyway.

I have to laugh when Soldier tells us that the academy prep schools, from where about half of academy athletes come, magically get the prep school kids up to full academic par in one year. Even though only those who can't get accepted into the Academy due to low academic qualifications, are taken by the prep schools. About 80% of academy prep school students get accepted to the Academies the next year. Everyone associated with the admission of athletes to the Academies, knows that the prep schools are the way to get lower academic athletes into the academy. Statistical studies from the academies show that many of the athletes, especially of major sports, generally graduate way down in academics. They may excel in the physical and leadership segments, though. I'm good with all this.

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kemajic said:

mthoopsfan said:

Some have huge endowments, but they don't direct that money to athletics. Most goes to the rising costs of academics and financial aid. A larger and larger portion of the funding of athletics comes from Friends groups for the various sports and big donations from rich alums. Funding athletics in the Ivies is one thing, but getting recruits of major sports admitted is the tougher thing. The sizes of the undergraduate colleges at the schools/universities are fairly small, and grad students can't play Ivy sports. You can imagine the tension/fights over slots for recruits for major sports like football, basketball, hockey and lacrosse, at a smaller school like Dartmouth (and all of the Ivies). Professors and most administrations don't want to "waste" slots for athletes.

Unlike the fantasy situation/standards expoused by Soldier regarding the Academies, i.e. that the athletes meet the same high standards of the main student body and athletes don't have a leg up in terms of being accepted, the Ivies do allow a certain number of slots for recruited athletes that are below the average and semi-average of the main part of the student body. Groups other than athletes, like POC, great musicians, legacies, and kids of huge donors and potential donors, also get an extra look or two by admissions. At Dartmouth, virtually every football player graduates, and Dartmouth is often at the top of the national graduation heap. The Ivies don't have redshirting, except for injuries. Even then, graduated students can't play sports as grad students.

Schools like Stanford and Duke do the same thing for athletes. My impression is that they dip a bit lower than the Ivies. Players don't generally come to the Ivies or Stanford through the Portal, as they don't have strong enough athletics, and, at least in the Ivies, the schools don't let anyone transfer to the school with only a year or so left before graduation. Transferring to the Ivies isn't very easy or common anyway.

I have to laugh when Soldier tells us that the academy prep schools, from where about half of academy athletes come, magically get the prep school kids up to full academic par in one year. Even though only those who can't get accepted into the Academy due to low academic qualifications, are taken by the prep schools. About 80% of academy prep school students get accepted to the Academies the next year. Everyone associated with the admission of athletes to the Academies, knows that the prep schools are the way to get lower academic athletes into the academy. Statistical studies from the academies show that many of the athletes, especially of major sports, generally graduate way down in academics. They may excel in the physical and leadership segments, though. I'm good with all this.

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I'm wondering how today's equity objectives impact all of this.

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kemajic said:

mthoopsfan said:

Some have huge endowments, but they don't direct that money to athletics. Most goes to the rising costs of academics and financial aid. A larger and larger portion of the funding of athletics comes from Friends groups for the various sports and big donations from rich alums. Funding athletics in the Ivies is one thing, but getting recruits of major sports admitted is the tougher thing. The sizes of the undergraduate colleges at the schools/universities are fairly small, and grad students can't play Ivy sports. You can imagine the tension/fights over slots for recruits for major sports like football, basketball, hockey and lacrosse, at a smaller school like Dartmouth (and all of the Ivies). Professors and most administrations don't want to "waste" slots for athletes.

Unlike the fantasy situation/standards expoused by Soldier regarding the Academies, i.e. that the athletes meet the same high standards of the main student body and athletes don't have a leg up in terms of being accepted, the Ivies do allow a certain number of slots for recruited athletes that are below the average and semi-average of the main part of the student body. Groups other than athletes, like POC, great musicians, legacies, and kids of huge donors and potential donors, also get an extra look or two by admissions. At Dartmouth, virtually every football player graduates, and Dartmouth is often at the top of the national graduation heap. The Ivies don't have redshirting, except for injuries. Even then, graduated students can't play sports as grad students.

Schools like Stanford and Duke do the same thing for athletes. My impression is that they dip a bit lower than the Ivies. Players don't generally come to the Ivies or Stanford through the Portal, as they don't have strong enough athletics, and, at least in the Ivies, the schools don't let anyone transfer to the school with only a year or so left before graduation. Transferring to the Ivies isn't very easy or common anyway.

I have to laugh when Soldier tells us that the academy prep schools, from where about half of academy athletes come, magically get the prep school kids up to full academic par in one year. Even though only those who can't get accepted into the Academy due to low academic qualifications, are taken by the prep schools. About 80% of academy prep school students get accepted to the Academies the next year. Everyone associated with the admission of athletes to the Academies, knows that the prep schools are the way to get lower academic athletes into the academy. Statistical studies from the academies show that many of the athletes, especially of major sports, generally graduate way down in academics. They may excel in the physical and leadership segments, though. I'm good with all this.

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I'm wondering how today's equity objectives impact all of this.

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