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Poor kaimin paper

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WTF did they expect from the Griz Football team and staff. I really enjoy their game day paper, but now they can eat sh!t. Publishing a cover story on the opposing team during homecoming. PLEASE...
http://www.montanakaimin.com/index...._able_to_effectively_report_on_griz_football/

Kaimin not able to effectively report on Griz football
Story by Allison Maier | October 8, 2009
Montana Kaimin


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Submit Link to Delicious In journalism, you can’t dwell on anything for too long.

No matter how much blood, sweat and tears were shed for an article, no matter how many discussions took place before it was published, it’s more or less over as soon as it breaks. You then move on to avoid the risk of missing out on the next story worthy of news.

About three weeks ago, the Kaimin published three articles about the University of Montana football team on its front page. One reported an incident at a fraternity last spring in which Griz cornerbacks Trumaine Johnson and Andrew Swink sent a fellow student to the hospital after kicking him while he was on the ground. A second article listed the nine other incidents involving UM football players that have been reported over the course of two years. The third was an editorial by sports editor Roman Stubbs about head coach Bobby Hauck’s refusal to provide details about the situation.

The Kaimin ran those articles because we believed – and still do – that it was our duty as a newspaper to do so. Our job is to hold the programs and individuals on this campus accountable for their actions.

It was Hauck’s refusal to provide details that led the Kaimin to continue pursuing the Johnson and Swink story in the first place. When the two players, who both started last season, were missing from UM’s first game this fall against Western State, Hauck said simply that they were “both unavailable to compete.” Asked if he wanted to elaborate on his response, Hauck said, “If I wanted to, I would have.” The Kaimin printed that exchange in its Sept. 9 issue, and reporter Tyson Alger continued to look into the story because Hauck continued to give vague answers.

When a witness came forward with information about the situation involving Johnson and Swink, the tenth and eleventh players to be involved in such incidents since June 2007, the Kaimin sought out other sources and made the decision, after a number of long conversations, to publish the information. We then printed one follow-up article and looked for any additional stories to be written. We fielded calls and e-mails – both positive and negative – about our coverage. And now, we’re ready to move on. The problem is, Hauck isn’t.

At first, it looked as though the matter was settled. The Wednesday after the articles were published, the Kaimin received an apology from Hauck (via e-mail from associate athletic director Dave Guffey), acknowledging that he had responded with a profanity when Alger asked him if he wanted to comment about the situation involving the players, but promising that it wouldn’t happen again. He’s kept his word in that regard. But the football program hasn’t let the issue drop.

Last week after football practice, Alger asked one of the players for an interview. The player said he wasn’t allowed to talk to the Kaimin. At Tuesday’s press conference, Alger’s question to Hauck about 
whether the quarterback rotation would remain the same this weekend was met with this response:

“You? You want something from me now? You have got to be kidding me.”

Hauck then answered the question when a Missoulian reporter repeated it.

It’s not as if the Kaimin didn’t expect something like this to happen. We recognized it as a risk when we started discussions about publishing articles about the allegations. But refusing to talk to Kaimin reporters about the football team doesn’t really hurt the Kaimin.

The Kaimin is essentially just a messenger, bringing information to students from the administrators and officials on campus that those students may never talk to directly. If Hauck doesn’t talk to the Kaimin, the Kaimin can’t provide free coverage of the 
football team he heads to the 
campus community.

This Saturday, we will pass out “GameDay” issues of the paper, as the Kaimin has done at every home game for years. It will include the usual team rosters and defensive and offensive lineup visuals, but instead of featuring an 800-word story about a notable player on the Griz team, the cover story will be about Cal Poly, UM’s rival for the Homecoming game.

This arrangement is not what the Kaimin would prefer, and it’s probably not what the students and community members who seek out GameDays would prefer either. But it will remain this way unless Hauck and his players decide to talk to Kaimin reporters again.

In the meantime, we’ll just continue asking questions.
 
people should e-mail O'Day and Dennison to have then get control of the Kaimin...it is just ridiculous.
 
I think they have overplayed their hand. Before this, they could say they were courageously taking on a powerful institution. But now, like many journalists, they have crossed the line into thinking what they do is news in and of itself. This looks like grandstanding, IMHO.
 
If it is their duty to hold the students accountable on that campus do they print every story dealing with an alleged fight for all student not just those that play football?
 
Both the Kaimin and Hauck need to grow up. This is like a pissing match between grade schoolers.

Hauck doesn't answer a basic question from the Kaimin and then gives the answer to the same question from the Missoulian. Grow up!

Kaimin retaliates by publishing an article on the opponent becuase there is nothing to publish on the team? As if there is nothing else going on around homecoming that would make a good story (like traditions, past games, etc.). Grow up!
 
Do the Kaimin reporters have some sort of “entitlement” because they’re journalism majors? Their stories were bogus and now they’re paying the price. I don’t blame Hauck or the players for exercising their freedom of speech – not to speak. In life you earn your respect.
 
That is hilarious. POOR KAIMIN!!! They remind me of the kid on the playground who picks the fight, gets his ass kicked, and then runs to the teacher.

Someone won't play by their rules, so they will just take their ball and go home.... Or play with the other team....

And as always, it is NEVER their fault. They are just reporters.
 
Biting the hand that feeds you.

I hope the Kaiman staff/writers involved in athletics learned a lesson, sure they can run any article they want, but if they piss off the athletic dept don't expect to be treated fairly from there on out.
 
This Saturday when they pass out the "Gameday" issue if everyone would just say "No Thanks!" then maybe this silly game will end. How is the cover story on Cal Poly going to get Coach Hauck or anyone else with the team to talk to them ? They think they can force them into talking to them ! Coach Hauck is not required to tell the Kaimen anything and has every right to tell his players to do the same.

GO GRIZ ! ! !
 
No doubt the Kaimin staff on the leading edge of this dust-up think they are the next Woodward and Bernstein.

I wonder if Coach Walsh will cooperate with the plan. It would be hilarious if he heard about this and told them to get bent. It would be tricky to do a game-day edition about the opposing team to punish your own program if NEITHER head coach will give you the time of day.
 
I have been consistently critical of the Kaimin's handling of the incident earlier this year and this is well beyond ridiculous. Clearly there are huge egos here on both sides. It is a lot easier to tolerate it coming from BH given that he has proven his worth to the institution. Apparently these reporters think that they are being cute or clever but who exactly do they think they are? This was not exactly Watergate and they are not Woodward and Bernstein by any stretch of the imagination. Their silly games are not doing a service to anyone.
 
The Homecoming gameday Kaimin will be seen by literally thousands of alumni who are in town from around the country (and world) specifically to see their one Griz game of the year/decade. Most alumns(read: donors) hate Bobby Hauck. I've met plenty of Griz alumnus lawyers, bankers, and business owners and have yet to meet a SINGLE one that likes Bobby Hauck and this was before TJ and Swink went Chinese New Year on some townie in front of Sigma Nu.

The delusional E-Grizer that thinks this move/stunt won't make Bobby look extremely bad is fooling themselves. The people laughing at the Kaimin are really showing themselves to be the sad, townie fan by proximity and not by association that they actually are. Hauck comes off as a megalomaniacal Tony Soprano wannabee and the Kaimin comes off as a bunch of ideological college kids being kids. Which looks worse? Which will look worse to the alums that already dislike Hauck?

This is the kind of story that has made national news. I actually hope it does. Booby needs a serious wake up call to remind him that he isn't "big time" Bob Stoops or Paterno, he's Bobby Hauck the "big game" loser. What does he think this will look like to future employers? He is truly out of his freaking tree.

And LOOLZ at all the townies hating on the COLLEGE KIDS who write for THE SCHOOL PAPER. LMFAO!
 
grizpack said:
That is hilarious. POOR KAIMIN!!! They remind me of the kid on the playground who picks the fight, gets his ass kicked, and then runs to the teacher.

Someone won't play by their rules, so they will just take their ball and go home.... Or play with the other team....

And as always, it is NEVER their fault. They are just reporters.

You see the Kaimin as the bully here?

You never made it out of Montana, did you?
 
Well, since I started attending the UofM in 95, the Kaimin has had a love hate relationship with the football program. I understand their desire to print all of the news that is fit to print. Bobby since his first day here hasn't for that much spoke out about internal discipline issues. I wouldn't either. If a one game suspension is deemed appropraite by the staff and who is to say that isn't appropriate? Just think if this was Oregon and not the UofM, the media scrutiny determines your course of action. So why not control the information if you can.

I wouldn't because of all of those things mentioned in the posts above including at this point 2 more players adding to the list of 9. Publics perception of the program likely won't change for either side by the deployment of those issues. Just look at the fall out from seeing Tony Kaz's name in the DUI section in the missoulian. There were like 10 pages of vitrol posted on here about that.

Either way, internal team issues and how he chooses to discipline them are his and the teams alone. Go ahead and discuss the events that transpired, because it is public information.

As for the juvenile back and forth, yeah probably a bit over the top...both sides probably do need to take a step back.
 
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