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Kent Baer will be hired as Griz defensive coordinator
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alabamagrizzly
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Sounds to me like PR is the only one here who has researched anything on KB and what he’s come up with seems decent to me. Most of what’s going on here is people’s knee jerk reactions to things they really don’t know anything about and it seems to be coming from the Stitt supporters. I supported Stitt to the bloody end but now it’s time to move on and give the new group a chance. This isn’t politics and we aren’t dem’s and repub’s. It’s Griz football and we should at least give these guys a look before we’re putting for sale signs in their yards. They’ve barely stepped off the plane for f**ks sake.
KB was only dismissed from two jobs and did fairly good work at most every other stop he’s been at. Lord you people are crazy.
KB was only dismissed from two jobs and did fairly good work at most every other stop he’s been at. Lord you people are crazy.
kemajic said:
The quote function doesn't always render the desired effect. All good here Kem! :thumb:
MiningCityGrizFan
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Well thanks for allowing me to have an opinion! And implying that I didn’t think you should have one...PlayerRep said:
Regarding the final paragraph, it’s absolutely ridiculous. That’s the point.
It’s the same ridiculous measuring stick that arrogant, self-important people like you used to beat Stitt over the head with from the moment he was hired over Hauck three years ago and to undermine him whenever things didn’t go well.
To be fair, I don’t know you. I’ve never met you, that I know of. I’m sure you’re a perfectly nice person in the real world, but when I read your comments I almost always end up saying or thinking to myself, “What kind of pathetic person claims to represent the Griz players?... This guy might be the most arrogant SOB on here... What kind of deranged loser has to chime in and attempt to correct people on a discussion board. Every. Single. Time...”
Your last reply is an absolutely perfect example. You repeatedly assert that “in your view” there really wasn’t any rebuilding going on. I fact you deny it was even necessary...
That statement alone undermines your credibility with me. It demonstrates that you are severely lacking objectivity...
The Griz haven’t had multiple playoff wins in a season since 2011 (and to the person who inevitably replies to clarify that the NCAA vacated those 2011 wins - piss off).
Another fun fact, the Griz have yet to get beyond the second round of the FCS playoffs since it was expanded to 24 teams.
Had it still been a 16-team playoff, it’s very likely that 2013 would have been the only playoff appearance the Griz would have had since 2011.
And that was the year they were humiliated by Coastal Carolina. A team making their first FCS playoff run. First time playing west of the Mississippi. First time playing in below freezing temperatures.
And with the Griz having three future professional linebackers playing for them that day.
It also happened to be Grergorak’s first year as a DC. Everyone seems to forget that for some reason now that say they want him back. Giving Semore time to gain experience and learn from his mistakes is too crazy to fathom for the geniuses here, but I digress.
The point is that whether you want to acknowledge it or not doesn’t mean a damn thing. There unquestionably was a need to rebuild the program.
Not because it was a losing program, but because it was stuck being pretty good program. It was complacent. Satisfied with beating the weak Bozeman teams more often than not, hosting a first round playoff game, and then losing on the road in the second round.
You know who wasn’t satisfied with that?
Bob Stitt.
He realized after his first season that the outcome of the 2015 was the ceiling for the program at that point in time.
He also realized that Gregorak, along with certain former players and influential donors were actively working against what he was trying to do. That’s what all the talk of a divided locker room was about. Honestly I don’t think it was fully unified locker room until this season. There was still division in 2016 and that’s why that team imploded in the second half of the season.
That’s what I appreciated about Stitt. He wasn’t a legacy Griz blinded by the amazing history of the program. He wasn’t stuck in the Montana football echo chamber full of people living in the past.
Stitt knew fundamental changes were necessary to begin competing with NDSUs and JMUs of the FCS world. And that was the rebuilding process he started after the 2015 season.
If you can compare the roster and staff from 2015 and 2106 and then attempt to argue that there wasn’t a rebuilding process in place, then there really isn’t anything more to be say to you because you’re delusional.
The 2016 team was a difficult season. No question about it. But the 2017 team was drastically better. Mentally they were much much stronger despite being much much younger. I was disappointed as anyone walking out of stadium in Bozeman, but I was beyond excited for next year.
There was another amazing recruiting class on the way in. The QB, who has since decommitted, was very impressive. The current class of redshirts would begin contributing along with the freshman and sophomores who saw significant time in 2017. The future was looking bright, then the program was turned upside down. By people who, at least to me, appear to be stuck in the past...
As far as Colter goes, it was his persistent negativity towards Stitt. I talked about it on this board the week leading up to NAU when he arrogantly trashes Stitt for not revealing his game plan during his weekly presser. Colter walked it back and “ate crow” the next week apparently, but he was back to trashing Stitt during Cat week.
I didn’t completely understand his blatant bias until Hauck’s first press conference. When Hauck addressed Colter like an old friend. It was pretty clear to me that he wasn’t covering the Griz as an unbiased journalist. He was actively using his platform on his website and radio to advocate against Stitt. And it worked.
Finally—what was disgusting is not the innocent fairytale you described. It was the shady politicking that was summarized quite nicely here:
http://www.abcfoxmontana.com/story/36948119/follow-the-money-who-is-influencing-ums-coach-hiring-decision
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MiningCityGrizFan
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Yes. Curious indeed.uofmman1122 said:
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MiningCityGrizFan said:
This post of yours is mostly ridiculous too.
First, I supported Stitt and never "beat him over the head".
Yes, I generally support players and sometimes coaches. I'm not a jerk like you who trashes players and others associated with Griz athletics on the internet.
UM, which finished nos. 12 and 8 in the final polls, beat the Cats and went to the playoffs in the 2 years prior to Stitt, did not need "rebuilding". It just didn't. Improvement, yes. Rebuilding, no.
UM was not "humiliated" by Coastal. UM lost by 1 TD to a very good Coastal team that played its best game the season (according to my friend and former teammate, who was their team doctor and at the game).
Your analysis of Stitt makes me laugh. I don't think a lot of egriz posters agree with you on that, and apparently Haslam didn't either.
I don't agree that 2017 was "drastically better" than 2016. Very similar, in my view. UM didn't finish those season in even the top 25 in the polls those years, probably not top 30, I don't think. Didn't check it, tho. Is that your idea of rebuilding Dropping 20 slots in the final polls.
The locker room was not united, at least on Stitt, this year either. Multiple seniors and juniors didn't like Stitt, and eventually told Haslam that.
Again, I don't recall Colter trashing Stitt, and I certainly don't believe your assertions. Feel free to provide some quotes/links.
You admit that you aren't an "insider", yet you think you know what went on with Stitt's firing and Hauck's hiring. And you know it's "shady". Sorry, but you are really out to lunch on this one.
If you really are a Griz fan, UM doesn't need "fans" like you.
sdk.catfish
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Got to echo support for PR on this one. He was never a Stitt hater and was, in my opinion, fairly objective in his Stitt related posts. He was willing to support Stitt in most cases but didn't let some of the more egregious stuff go without stating, generally, a fact based approach to his objections. Since I admittedly didn't like Stitt (I didn't hate him) this was sometimes frustrating but again, when I look back, he was objective. And a lot of the Stitt bashing on this forum didn't come until after the 2016 season when opinion certainly did take a turn for the worse. And I have to totally agree with him that I saw few reasons to consider Stitt's time as head coach as a rebuild, some would call it a regress, and one more win in 2017 does not reinforce the opinion that he was about to turn the corner.
Let's let this play out and see if Hauck, who is HEAD coach, can build a defense that can rival those at NDSU and JMU. It certainly wasn't going to happen if Haslem retained the status quo.
sdk.catfish said:
Thx, Sdk. I didn't realize you were watching. Ha. You summarized my Stitt posts well. I knew more negative stuff on Stitt all along, but usually chose not to post it, in large part because I knew Stitt and his assistants and liked him. But at times, I also didn't give him a pass either. I said I understood the views of the Stitt naysayers, as time went on. I also said before the Cat game that it would not be Haslam's decision, alone, to decide on extension if the Cats won (I didn't think they would). I knew there would be huge pressure against an extension. And, I thought Hauck should have been hired 3 years ago too, and thought, and knew by the Monday morning after the Cat loss, that Hauck would likely be hired..
MiningCityGrizFan
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Who the hell are you to declare who is and isn’t worthy of a being a Griz fan?!PlayerRep said:
But thanks for yet another example of what a pretentious narcissist you are with yet another anecdote where you’re privy to an unsubstantiated comment from an unverified third-party who supposedly had insider information and whose alleged comments negates my opinion.
Classic PR move.
My favorite example though is still how you jumped on the thread about Reece’s injury to tell everyone all about the time YOU injured YOUR foot in New York or wherever. Even then, while people were posting words of support and encouragement for Reece, you couldn’t resist trying make it about you.
Talk about being a jerk!
I’d insert a jerk store reference here, but I’m sure it’d go over your head. Then you’d have to call one of your kids and come back here with another blah blah blah post that is actually just another chance for you to tell everyone that your kids are attorneys or whatever back east...
I swear, if Amazon Echo Silver Edition was an actual product, I’d buy one for every room of your house just to keep you off egriz. The “uh-huh” feature would be perfect for you.
And for the record I haven’t trashed any players or coaches here. I’m trashing you and the arrogant elitist fans like you for being such blatant hypocrites.
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I'm on the poor hire bus with this guy for those exact statistical reasons. I think that he's had HISTORICALLY good defenses, but recently has really been poor overall. I wonder if the spread offense has anything to do with it? That's past me, but my hope is that the overall group as a whole comes together and things work out well for these guys. Will see how the Spring goes and wait to make further judgements until then. Will be a pretty even spring I'd assume with new offense and new defense. Would Bobby fire him after spring if he sucked hind tit at that point or would he wait and see how things go for the season?
MiningCityGrizFan said:
Mining, aren't I entitled to my opinion, or do you think that only you gets an opinion. My opinion is that UM doesn't need people like you as fans. It isn't pretentious or narcissistic to state an opinion.
I find it interesting that you are apparently so insecure that you can't stand it when someone who has more information, provides views ands opinions with support, and says things with confidence, offends you so much.
Yes, it's true that I once had an injury similar to Phillips' but not nearly as bad, and that I had experience on recovery. Providing that information was not making it about me in any respect. This is another example of your insecurity. Have you gone through life thinking everyone was getting more than you or people were picking on you?
I think it's funny that you get so worked up when someone knows more than you, and doesn't agree with your (silly) views.
Kent IS A GREAT PICK! DC stints at Cal., Stanford, Washington and Notre Dame. Head coach at ND one year and Broyles award finalist ( top assistant coach in America) So much experience and knowledge to offer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bobby know's what he's doing! Go Griz! Tim will come back later on.He will honor his Philly contract first, I think?
Kent IS A GREAT PICK! DC stints at Cal., Stanford, Washington and Notre Dame. Head coach at ND one year and Broyles award finalist,2002 ( top assistant coach in America) So much experience and knowledge to offer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bobby know's what he's doing! Go Griz! Tim will come back later on.He will honor his Philly contract first, I think?
Kent IS A GREAT PICK! DC stints at Cal., Stanford, Washington and Notre Dame. Head coach at ND one year and Broyles award finalist,2002 ( top assistant coach in America) So much experience and knowledge to offer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bobby know's what he's doing! Go Griz! Tim will come back later on.He will honor his Philly contract first, I think?