Yukon said:Entire Mueller report and why Trump never interfered:
"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself" Napoleon Bonaparte
I do my own investigating.argh! said:Yukon said:Entire Mueller report and why Trump never interfered:
"Never interfere with an enemy in the process of destroying himself" Napoleon Bonaparte
you mean the people he directed to interfere didn't follow his orders. i guess you had hannity read the report for you, too?
Nothing will happen. He did nothing wrong. Also, remember that it would be illegal to release all redacted info. Stay off the MSM 4am talking points call about the faux "constitutional crises".Dutch Lane said:Anyone want to make predictions on what will happen if Trump keeps claiming executive privilege and prohibits associates from testifying to congress and defying congressional subpoenas? What will happen if he simply ignores federal court orders and decisions? I think Andrew Jackson said some thing to the effect “Chief Justice John Marshal can decide the law now let him try and enforce it”. Remember Trump hung His picture in the Oval Office. I think we are in for a constitutional crisis..should be interesting. :thumb:
Fellas, remember Holder was forced to appear in front of a federal district court judge in dc to answer to the house contempt motion and the judge did not find him in contempt of court which is what the republicans controlled house were pushing. The court also found that the house contempt motion was totally unnecessary because Holder had offered to allow chairman Issa to review the requested documents and Issa refused because he wanted to release the materiel to the public at that time. The judge also ordered the Dept. of justice to release the material which they finally did.Yukon said:Nothing will happen. He did nothing wrong. Also, remember that it would be illegal to release all redacted info. Stay off the MSM 4am talking points call about the faux "constitutional crises".Dutch Lane said:Anyone want to make predictions on what will happen if Trump keeps claiming executive privilege and prohibits associates from testifying to congress and defying congressional subpoenas? What will happen if he simply ignores federal court orders and decisions? I think Andrew Jackson said some thing to the effect “Chief Justice John Marshal can decide the law now let him try and enforce it”. Remember Trump hung His picture in the Oval Office. I think we are in for a constitutional crisis..should be interesting. :thumb:
Oh, by the way:
Barack Obama
The Obama administration asserted executive privilege in June 2012 in response to a House investigation of Operation Fast and Furious, a controversial “gunwalking” operation in which the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives allowed the running of guns in hopes that they could be tracked to Mexican drug cartel figures.
Dutch Lane said:I’m just trying to understand the pro-trump side of things. Like I said earlier the Steele dossier was a small part of the entire application document and if it was found not to have been verified or accurate by the fisa court it would excise that part out and review the four corners of the application to determine if it still establishes probable cause. Why hasn’t the fisa court called the Steele dossier into question if it is so wrong? The fact that none of the fellas who were convicted even bothered to challenge the constitutionality of the warrant application leaves me to think there is no defect.
And finally trump entirely controls the executive branch including the DOJ and FBI why doesn’t he simply declassify the fisa warrant application? Because then it would finally be examined by the public and it would be shown to have not relied much on the Steele dossier which would result in silencing the Steele dossier talking point. The talking point is more effective if we don’t know the truth behind the fisa warrant application. Again what fact or facts does the Steele dossier purport to establish that are lies? The pee tape? What please help me understand what we are talking about. Thanks :thumb:
Um, I do know it has been released because I actually read all of the fisa application materials that were un-redacted. I think they totaled something over 400 pages, but almost half the pages were redacted or blacked out. What I meant to say is why doesn’t trump declassify the entire application with the redacted parts? Remember the Steele dossier was like 38 pages of raw intelligence so yeah I still think the Steele dossier was a small part of the entire applications. But so what we knew then and now know that the Russians were interfering in the election? Do you not agree?PlayerRep said:Dutch Lane said:I’m just trying to understand the pro-trump side of things. Like I said earlier the Steele dossier was a small part of the entire application document and if it was found not to have been verified or accurate by the fisa court it would excise that part out and review the four corners of the application to determine if it still establishes probable cause. Why hasn’t the fisa court called the Steele dossier into question if it is so wrong? The fact that none of the fellas who were convicted even bothered to challenge the constitutionality of the warrant application leaves me to think there is no defect.
And finally trump entirely controls the executive branch including the DOJ and FBI why doesn’t he simply declassify the fisa warrant application? Because then it would finally be examined by the public and it would be shown to have not relied much on the Steele dossier which would result in silencing the Steele dossier talking point. The talking point is more effective if we don’t know the truth behind the fisa warrant application. Again what fact or facts does the Steele dossier purport to establish that are lies? The pee tape? What please help me understand what we are talking about. Thanks :thumb:
The Steele Dossier was the biggest part of the FISA warrant. The very first Russian allegation towards page was from the Steele Dossier.
The FISA court relied on the assurances from the FBI and signers of the application that the Steele Dossier was reliable. Apparently, there was virtually no basis for saying the Steele Dossier was correct or reliable. The application said Steele had been reliable in the past. The FISA court doesn't independently verify an application from the FBI.
Besides the Steele Dossier, the FISA warrant cited the existence of a newspaper report describing similar things. However, the basis of the newspaper article was information from Steele, who lied to the FBI initially and said he wasn't leaking.
The application didn't say that the Steele Dossier was financed by the Clinton campaign and DNC, and that it was her/their opposition research. Don't you think that would have been a relevant fact.
The application for the FISA warrant has been challenged multiple times.
The Fisa application has been released. Much of what it said isn't accurate. Note that Page, the person who was the subject of the warrant, was not charged by Mueller or anyone else.
You are way behind what has gone on.