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grizcountry420 said:
doc3kgt said:
...A few more years and your "peer" institutions will be rocky and carroll. #Juco2018
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Confucius Say

He who walk through airport terminal sideways is going to Bangkok
 
From a comment at the Missoulian some time ago. UM has been maintaining that it is a victim of a "sea change" in student aspirations, that "liberal arts" degrees are no longer in vogue, and that STEM is where it is at. Once more, that is outright bullshitting from Main Hall.

UM President Royce Engstrom was hired from October 2010-Present.

UM Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following UM majors:

1) Math 111 students (2010) vs 100 students (2015) = -11 students

2) Political Science 263 (2010) vs 164 (2015) = -99

3) Psychology 586 (2010) vs 398 (2015) = -188

4) Sociology 363 (2010) vs 265 (2015) = -98

5) Chemistry 111 (2010) vs 86 (2015) = -25

6) Pre-Nursing 158 (2010) vs 126 (2015) = -32

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 423 (2010) vs 399 (2015) = -24

8) Art 298 (2010) vs 184 (2015) = -114

9) Business 1697 (2010) vs 1431 (2015) = -266

10) Education 1563 (2010) vs 1397 (2015) = -166

Total UM Enrollment decrease in these majors under Engstrom = -1023 students

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MSU President Waded Cruzado was hired from January 2010-Present.

MSU Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following MSU majors:

1) Math 159 students (2010) vs 213 students (2015) = +54 students

2) Political Science 132 (2010) vs 143 (2015) = +11

3) Psychology 283 (2010) vs 358 (2015) = +75

4) Sociology 109 (2010) vs 213 (2015) = +104

5) Chemistry 162 (2010) vs 170 (2015) = +8

6) Pre-Nursing 370 (2010) vs 397 (2015) = +27

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 286 (2010) vs 425 (2015) = +139

8) Art 175 (2010) vs 345 (2015) = +170

9) Business 1100 (2010) vs 1381 (2015) = +281

10) Education 1625 (2010) vs 1820 (2015) = +195

Total MSU Enrollment increase in these majors under Cruzado = +1064 students
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UMGriz75 said:
From a comment at the Missoulian some time ago. UM has been maintaining that it is a victim of a "sea change" in student aspirations, that "liberal arts" degrees are no longer in vogue, and that STEM is where it is at. Once more, that is outright bullshitting from Main Hall.

UM President Royce Engstrom was hired from October 2010-Present.

UM Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following UM majors:

1) Math 111 students (2010) vs 100 students (2015) = -11 students

2) Political Science 263 (2010) vs 164 (2015) = -99

3) Psychology 586 (2010) vs 398 (2015) = -188

4) Sociology 363 (2010) vs 265 (2015) = -98

5) Chemistry 111 (2010) vs 86 (2015) = -25

6) Pre-Nursing 158 (2010) vs 126 (2015) = -32

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 423 (2010) vs 399 (2015) = -24

8) Art 298 (2010) vs 184 (2015) = -114

9) Business 1697 (2010) vs 1431 (2015) = -266

10) Education 1563 (2010) vs 1397 (2015) = -166

Total UM Enrollment decrease in these majors under Engstrom = -1023 students

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MSU President Waded Cruzado was hired from January 2010-Present.

MSU Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following MSU majors:

1) Math 159 students (2010) vs 213 students (2015) = +54 students

2) Political Science 132 (2010) vs 143 (2015) = +11

3) Psychology 283 (2010) vs 358 (2015) = +75

4) Sociology 109 (2010) vs 213 (2015) = +104

5) Chemistry 162 (2010) vs 170 (2015) = +8

6) Pre-Nursing 370 (2010) vs 397 (2015) = +27

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 286 (2010) vs 425 (2015) = +139

8) Art 175 (2010) vs 345 (2015) = +170

9) Business 1100 (2010) vs 1381 (2015) = +281

10) Education 1625 (2010) vs 1820 (2015) = +195

Total MSU Enrollment increase in these majors under Cruzado = +1064 students
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Interesting that their gains in the same majors are our losses. This looks to be more about choices that people make, and could be a reflection of recent events at the UM. The truth is, whether people care to admit it, that at this point MSU no longer closing the distance between us and them, but accelerating past us.

If this trend continues, the UM very well could be the "little" brother in the not so distant future.
 
ordigger said:
Interesting that their gains in the same majors are our losses. This looks to be more about choices that people make, and could be a reflection of recent events at the UM. The truth is, whether people care to admit it, that at this point MSU no longer closing the distance between us and them, but accelerating past us.

If this trend continues, the UM very well could be the "little" brother in the not so distant future.
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What bothers me is the state of complete denial in Main Hall. Perry Brown actually said that these enrollment declines, in those majors, was really "expected," just a "return to normal." No, they weren't. They were the direct loss of those students in those programs -- previously strengths at UM -- to MSU. Part of what is really disturbing is that willingness to lie to the public. If these clowns believe it, they are stupid. If they don't believe it, why are the taxpayers paying them large salaries with big benefits? And if they are just stupid, ditto.

Like University of Missouri, UM badly bungled a "crisis" that was fabricated in its entirety, and which owed its impetus entirely to Royce Engstrom and his initial urge to appear "dynamic," "PC" and "in control!" with public studies, public firings and public surrenders to a radical leftist agenda of DOJ and DOE. He was going to be a "New Age" president for a modern era. He may well have killed the institution trying to promote himself to the public.

In many ways, it was a crisis fabricated by Engstrom himself because, at the end of the day, there was no truth to any of it, except for the part that MSU had three times the rate of sexual assaults and had a faculty member preying on students for sexual favors for grades, and including high school students as well.

The concern now is that, after 6 years, there is no plan. None. No strategic plan is in place. No "turnaround" plan has been proposed. The silence from Main Hall has become deafening. They don't know what to do, and they don't have the integrity to resign and get out of the way. Engstrom thought that hiring generic recruiting firms, and generic ad agencies would solve his problems. That is the measure of Engstrom; he could only hope that he could hire some ideas, because he had none himself. And the best he could do was ... "generic." It's just that bad.

This is going to start hurting the sport programs. The downward spiral is going to take everyone and everything with it. The sports alumni are likely the most influential and active alumni. They need to act. That beautiful stadium is going to be covered in weeds in ten years unless something changes, quick.
 
UMGriz75 said:
Like University of Missouri, UM badly bungled a "crisis" that was fabricated in its entirety, and which owed its impetus entirely to Royce Engstrom and his initial urge to appear "dynamic," "PC" and "in control!" with public studies, public firings and public surrenders to a radical leftist agenda of DOJ and DOE. He was going to be a "New Age" president for a modern era. He may well have killed the institution trying to promote himself to the public
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75 has a point. It can get worse as noted by a good friend of mine as she visited with Gov Bullock and even our esteemed Gov mentioned how good Engstrom is doing??? Of course Bullock is a politician and we all know they lie but this is a disgusting dumbing down stupid remark.

Meantime our Regents are listening to one anothers BS while drinking warm water...Ugh.

Northern Colorado and ms Waded are not our "big problem" at this point and that is easy to note as we have the Champion of issues called Royce! Remove the Champion issue and we are on our way.
 
UMGriz75 said:
From a comment at the Missoulian some time ago. UM has been maintaining that it is a victim of a "sea change" in student aspirations, that "liberal arts" degrees are no longer in vogue, and that STEM is where it is at. Once more, that is outright bullshitting from Main Hall.

UM President Royce Engstrom was hired from October 2010-Present.

UM Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following UM majors:

1) Math 111 students (2010) vs 100 students (2015) = -11 students

2) Political Science 263 (2010) vs 164 (2015) = -99

3) Psychology 586 (2010) vs 398 (2015) = -188

4) Sociology 363 (2010) vs 265 (2015) = -98

5) Chemistry 111 (2010) vs 86 (2015) = -25

6) Pre-Nursing 158 (2010) vs 126 (2015) = -32

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 423 (2010) vs 399 (2015) = -24

8) Art 298 (2010) vs 184 (2015) = -114

9) Business 1697 (2010) vs 1431 (2015) = -266

10) Education 1563 (2010) vs 1397 (2015) = -166

Total UM Enrollment decrease in these majors under Engstrom = -1023 students

--------------------------

MSU President Waded Cruzado was hired from January 2010-Present.

MSU Fall 2010 vs. Fall 2015 enrollment for the following MSU majors:

1) Math 159 students (2010) vs 213 students (2015) = +54 students

2) Political Science 132 (2010) vs 143 (2015) = +11

3) Psychology 283 (2010) vs 358 (2015) = +75

4) Sociology 109 (2010) vs 213 (2015) = +104

5) Chemistry 162 (2010) vs 170 (2015) = +8

6) Pre-Nursing 370 (2010) vs 397 (2015) = +27

7) Biology/Biological Sciences 286 (2010) vs 425 (2015) = +139

8) Art 175 (2010) vs 345 (2015) = +170

9) Business 1100 (2010) vs 1381 (2015) = +281

10) Education 1625 (2010) vs 1820 (2015) = +195

Total MSU Enrollment increase in these majors under Cruzado = +1064 students
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You should printout those numbers and nail them to the door of BOR office.
 
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