blackfoot griz
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grizliver said:I guess I will be looking for another way to line my hamster cage.
There is always the Independent!
grizliver said:I guess I will be looking for another way to line my hamster cage.
blackfoot griz said:grizliver said:I guess I will be looking for another way to line my hamster cage.
There is always the Independent!
Umista said:The latest goof of the almost broke "Lee News" is the NEW cost of the local paper known as the Missoulian.
The folks in charge of the Missoulian raised the everyday price from $1.50 to $3.00 :arrow: Now it stumbles along throwing tons of colored adds and other junk fire starting crap while adding worthless weight to the rag.
Why am I bringing this up? I like to read the sports section. Inspite of expected liberal bias on most topics I simply enjoy the sports section and they have a good reporting staff on all Griz athletic programs.
GrizGuy said:The liberal bias canard is parrot talk by Faux News viewers. Lee doesn't print anything they don't think will make them money - free market capitalism as it is known. If people want groopspeak, I invite them or read the newspapers put out in China. And I'm no apologist for ridiculous writing, as I think my little blog post on the landing page of this forum will attest. If it's still there.
Having said that, yes, the newspaper game is in transition... To what, who knows. If you wanna read content, you should pay for it. You wouldn't eat at a restaurant and leave w/o paying.. Why sports writers should produce for crap wages is beyond me... Then again, I'm not in that game anymore.
Think about the value of the sports news, what other ways you could get that info, the effort and cost of gathering it and dropping it on your stoop. If you think it's not worth it, unsubscribe. Not sure why ranting about it on eGriz is really necessary. If I used that logic, I'd go to foodnetwork.com and bitch about how eGriz has too many move up threads.
Just sayin'.
(Umista said:The latest goof of the almost broke "Lee News" is the NEW cost of the local paper known as the Missoulian.
The folks in charge of the Missoulian raised the everyday price from $1.50 to $3.00 :arrow: Now it stumbles along throwing tons of colored adds and other junk fire starting crap while adding worthless weight to the rag.
Why am I bringing this up? I like to read the sports section. Inspite of expected liberal bias on most topics I simply enjoy the sports section and they have a good reporting staff on all Griz athletic programs.
GrizGuy said:The liberal bias canard is parrot talk by Faux News viewers. Lee doesn't print anything they don't think will make them money - free market capitalism as it is known. If people want groopspeak, I invite them or read the newspapers put out in China. And I'm no apologist for ridiculous writing, as I think my little blog post on the landing page of this forum will attest. If it's still there.
Having said that, yes, the newspaper game is in transition... To what, who knows. If you wanna read content, you should pay for it. You wouldn't eat at a restaurant and leave w/o paying.. Why sports writers should produce for crap wages is beyond me... Then again, I'm not in that game anymore.
Think about the value of the sports news, what other ways you could get that info, the effort and cost of gathering it and dropping it on your stoop. If you think it's not worth it, unsubscribe. Not sure why ranting about it on eGriz is really necessary. If I used that logic, I'd go to foodnetwork.com and bitch about how eGriz has too many move up threads.
Just sayin'.
(Umista said:The latest goof of the almost broke "Lee News" is the NEW cost of the local paper known as the Missoulian.
The folks in charge of the Missoulian raised the everyday price from $1.50 to $3.00 :arrow: Now it stumbles along throwing tons of colored adds and other junk fire starting crap while adding worthless weight to the rag.
Why am I bringing this up? I like to read the sports section. Inspite of expected liberal bias on most topics I simply enjoy the sports section and they have a good reporting staff on all Griz athletic programs.
:clap:Plainsman said:CFallsGriz:
For someone who doesn't want to read spontaneous Op-eds, you seem to be pretty adept at writing your own. And I thoroughly agree that you aren't liberal but I doubt the assertion that you aren't staunchly conservative. As to whether the news media has a liberal bias, in a journalistic world that includes The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Faux News, The National Review, The Weekly Standard, the Chicago Tribune, the New York Post, and conservative talk radio programs that outnumber liberal ones by the score, it is idiotic to summarily assert that there is no debate as to whether today's news media definitively has a liberal bias.
You seem to be a member of that historically much persecuted and malign:/ed group that consists of the hugely disadvantaged prosperous white middle class male with a good job or a good business and a stable family (good for you if you are by the way). But as a member of this demographic, it is also idiotic to play the downtrodden, disenfranchised card.
Plainsman said:CFallsGriz:
For someone who doesn't want to read spontaneous Op-eds, you seem to be pretty adept at writing your own. And I thoroughly agree that you aren't liberal but I doubt the assertion that you aren't staunchly conservative. As to whether the news media has a liberal bias, in a journalistic world that includes The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, Faux News, The National Review, The Weekly Standard, the Chicago Tribune, the New York Post, and conservative talk radio programs that outnumber liberal ones by the score, it is idiotic to summarily assert that there is no debate as to whether today's news media definitively has a liberal bias.
You seem to be a member of that historically much persecuted and maligned group that consists of the hugely disadvantaged prosperous white middle class male with a good job or a good business and a stable family (good for you if you are by the way). But as a member of this demographic, it is also idiotic to play the downtrodden, disenfranchised card.
CFallsGriz said:GrizGuy said:The liberal bias canard is parrot talk by Faux News viewers. Lee doesn't print anything they don't think will make them money - free market capitalism as it is known. If people want groopspeak, I invite them or read the newspapers put out in China. And I'm no apologist for ridiculous writing, as I think my little blog post on the landing page of this forum will attest. If it's still there.
Having said that, yes, the newspaper game is in transition... To what, who knows. If you wanna read content, you should pay for it. You wouldn't eat at a restaurant and leave w/o paying.. Why sports writers should produce for crap wages is beyond me... Then again, I'm not in that game anymore.
Think about the value of the sports news, what other ways you could get that info, the effort and cost of gathering it and dropping it on your stoop. If you think it's not worth it, unsubscribe. Not sure why ranting about it on eGriz is really necessary. If I used that logic, I'd go to foodnetwork.com and bitch about how eGriz has too many move up threads.
Just sayin'.
(Umista said:The latest goof of the almost broke "Lee News" is the NEW cost of the local paper known as the Missoulian.
The folks in charge of the Missoulian raised the everyday price from $1.50 to $3.00 :arrow: Now it stumbles along throwing tons of colored adds and other junk fire starting crap while adding worthless weight to the rag.
Why am I bringing this up? I like to read the sports section. Inspite of expected liberal bias on most topics I simply enjoy the sports section and they have a good reporting staff on all Griz athletic programs.
Although I don't disagree with your statements regarding the "newspaper game" itself, and where it's possibly headed, etc, some of your other statements are pure conjecture and merely your opinion. Liberal, at that. Not that I care. But to say that the liberal media bias is s nothing more than a "faux news canard" is simply not accurate. The media overall lean firmly to the left in totality, conservative talk radio notwithstanding. To argue that point is idiotic.
People are willing to pay for content, still. But when that content comes at double the price overnight, and other than a couple new guys that are improving it's reputation, has not done a stellar job in the last few years of appearing unbiased, people are rightly skeptical, if not cynical.
Advance apologies, but I'm about to speak for others. There is a large segment of the Missoula, MT populace that is under-represented in many aspects, and far too quiet in my opinion. We are neither liberal nor staunchly conservative. We believe that Democrats have some good ideas, as do the other guys. We refuse to choose sides based purely on a strict, often arbitrary ideology. We're tired of the status quo, and at the same time tired of being pigeon-holed because we're white, not expressly liberal, and happen to have homes and good jobs and/or businesses, etc, and disagree with much of both sides of the "establishment." All the while living, working, raising kids and planting our roots in a community that is increasingly out of touch with our values.
If I'm not mistaken (which I may well be) you're a dude named Frank that got a degree from the UM J-School and hasn't done too bad. I've read some of your stuff and you appear to have your s*** together as a Pro. Having said that, to chime in here once in awhile and post your thoughts and opinions as though they are represented by fact locally seems like folly on your part and a waste of your time.
This is a sub-tier Division I college football message board. Idiots lurk here, myself included. Posting a thread on eGriz.com that displays your irritation with, and ire toward, a local publication that has shown a clear agenda in the near-past to defame and degrade an institution and accomplished sports program to which you are connected and vested is logical in this setting. It is nothing akin to the analogy that you used of actually signing up to post on foodnetwork.com and using that forum to complain about move-up threads posted on here. That is an absurd analysis, journalistically lazy, and, I would think, below you as a writer.
So the next time you feel like logging in to post and proselytize the ignorant masses, consider that we may respect your journalistic abilities, but would rather that you spare us the spontaneous Op-Ed.
#disenfranchisedwhiteguyfrommt
/rantover
CFallsGriz said:GrizGuy said:The liberal bias canard is parrot talk by Faux News viewers. Lee doesn't print anything they don't think will make them money - free market capitalism as it is known. If people want groopspeak, I invite them or read the newspapers put out in China. And I'm no apologist for ridiculous writing, as I think my little blog post on the landing page of this forum will attest. If it's still there.
Having said that, yes, the newspaper game is in transition... To what, who knows. If you wanna read content, you should pay for it. You wouldn't eat at a restaurant and leave w/o paying.. Why sports writers should produce for crap wages is beyond me... Then again, I'm not in that game anymore.
Think about the value of the sports news, what other ways you could get that info, the effort and cost of gathering it and dropping it on your stoop. If you think it's not worth it, unsubscribe. Not sure why ranting about it on eGriz is really necessary. If I used that logic, I'd go to foodnetwork.com and bitch about how eGriz has too many move up threads.
Just sayin'.
(Umista said:The latest goof of the almost broke "Lee News" is the NEW cost of the local paper known as the Missoulian.
The folks in charge of the Missoulian raised the everyday price from $1.50 to $3.00 :arrow: Now it stumbles along throwing tons of colored adds and other junk fire starting crap while adding worthless weight to the rag.
Why am I bringing this up? I like to read the sports section. Inspite of expected liberal bias on most topics I simply enjoy the sports section and they have a good reporting staff on all Griz athletic programs.
Although I don't disagree with your statements regarding the "newspaper game" itself, and where it's possibly headed, etc, some of your other statements are pure conjecture and merely your opinion. Liberal, at that. Not that I care. But to say that the liberal media bias is s nothing more than a "faux news canard" is simply not accurate. The media overall lean firmly to the left in totality, conservative talk radio notwithstanding. To argue that point is idiotic.
People are willing to pay for content, still. But when that content comes at double the price overnight, and other than a couple new guys that are improving it's reputation, has not done a stellar job in the last few years of appearing unbiased, people are rightly skeptical, if not cynical.
Advance apologies, but I'm about to speak for others. There is a large segment of the Missoula, MT populace that is under-represented in many aspects, and far too quiet in my opinion. We are neither liberal nor staunchly conservative. We believe that Democrats have some good ideas, as do the other guys. We refuse to choose sides based purely on a strict, often arbitrary ideology. We're tired of the status quo, and at the same time tired of being pigeon-holed because we're white, not expressly liberal, and happen to have homes and good jobs and/or businesses, etc, and disagree with much of both sides of the "establishment." All the while living, working, raising kids and planting our roots in a community that is increasingly out of touch with our values.
If I'm not mistaken (which I may well be) you're a dude named Frank that got a degree from the UM J-School and hasn't done too bad. I've read some of your stuff and you appear to have your s*** together as a Pro. Having said that, to chime in here once in awhile and post your thoughts and opinions as though they are represented by fact locally seems like folly on your part and a waste of your time.
This is a sub-tier Division I college football message board. Idiots lurk here, myself included. Posting a thread on eGriz.com that displays your irritation with, and ire toward, a local publication that has shown a clear agenda in the near-past to defame and degrade an institution and accomplished sports program to which you are connected and vested is logical in this setting. It is nothing akin to the analogy that you used of actually signing up to post on foodnetwork.com and using that forum to complain about move-up threads posted on here. That is an absurd analysis, journalistically lazy, and, I would think, below you as a writer.
So the next time you feel like logging in to post and proselytize the ignorant masses, consider that we may respect your journalistic abilities, but would rather that you spare us the spontaneous Op-Ed.
#disenfranchisedwhiteguyfrommt
/rantover