Idaho State 2.0

[Callithowiseeit]

I know I'm critical of coaching but it's time we open our eyes, most of our gaurds can't play defense and all of them turned the ball over at least a few times each if I'm not mistaken trying to force up the same shot. We are lucky we got bailed out on that last one which wasn't a foul by the way.

WTF are you talking about? We have one of the better defensive teams in the conference and that's what keeps us in games despite our shaky offense. Our players pass all the damn time and sometimes to the detriment of our team when they pass on an open shot. We have one of the best pass-first guards in the conference in parker, who I think leads or is near the top on assists per game. Our guys make mistakes, they get in a hurry, but they don't lake effort. It's been a growing year.

Did you just wait for DeCuire to have an off year to create this account?

You may want to watch some of these games again and stop riding the band wagon, Parker is creative but wreckless and doesn't always make the open pass, I see him look off multiple guys only to force up some bullshit, he can't defend very well and neither can a few other gaurds and Travis rotations are ridiculous and thats why we end up like this over and over. How many turnovers did our gaurds have today?????? How many times do PGs just dribble back and fourth to force a bad shot leading to a turnover. Better defensive teams???? If that were true we would get more stops when needed not just against bad teams. If I struck a nerve thats too bad these are just my opinions and if yoh don't like them that's your problem, everything I've said has been valid.

 

[maroonandsilver]

WTF are you talking about? We have one of the better defensive teams in the conference and that's what keeps us in games despite our shaky offense. Our players pass all the damn time and sometimes to the detriment of our team when they pass on an open shot. We have one of the best pass-first guards in the conference in parker, who I think leads or is near the top on assists per game. Our guys make mistakes, they get in a hurry, but they don't lake effort. It's been a growing year.

Did you just wait for DeCuire to have an off year to create this account?

You may want to watch some of these games again and stop riding the band wagon, Parker is creative but wreckless and doesn't always make the open pass, I see him look off multiple guys only to force up some bullshit, he can't defend very well and neither can a few other gaurds and Travis rotations are ridiculous and thats why we end up like this over and over. How many turnovers did our gaurds have today?????? How many times do PGs just dribble back and fourth to force a bad shot leading to a turnover. Better defensive teams???? If that were true we would get more stops when needed not just against bad teams. If I struck a nerve thats too bad these are just my opinions and if yoh don't like them that's your problem, everything I've said has been valid.

You will gain more credibility when you learn to spell---Guards.

 

[hunt-ducks]

Stupid way to pick up 5th foul though.

Yup. I like his tough defense, but sometimes he moves into players when they are up in the air or extends his arms into them. And he should be especially careful about that kind of stuff when he has 4 fouls. And goes double when you have refs that are blowing the whistle as tight as they were today. Awareness...

He needs to learn to jump vertically with his entire body. So many of his fouls this season are because, when he thinks he is jumping vertically, his arms go into the opposing player, instead of being vertical like the rest of his body. He should be able to correct this tendency by watching videos of his fouls, but he continues to do it every game. Should be easy to correct, but seemingly isn't.

 

[Dillon]

Greed, it becomes go get mine time and the coaches allow it. No system, no flow and players don't pass when they should they only do when they have to.

I know I'm critical of coaching but it's time we open our eyes, most of our gaurds can't play defense and all of them turned the ball over at least a few times each if I'm not mistaken trying to force up the same shot. We are lucky we got bailed out on that last one which wasn't a foul by the way.

Agree it not being a foul at end!

 

[Dillon]

How about some movement when you don't have da ball?

 

[fanofzoo]

How about some movement when you don't have da ball?

Drives me up the fricking wall. On film can they not see that !

But we did have two fast breaks, that's right two, at this rate we might get to double figures for that, probably not but I can dream.

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I know I'm critical of coaching but it's time we open our eyes, most of our gaurds can't play defense and all of them turned the ball over at least a few times each if I'm not mistaken trying to force up the same shot. We are lucky we got bailed out on that last one which wasn't a foul by the way.

Agree it not being a foul at end!

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

 

[GrizWhiz]

Agree it not being a foul at end!

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

Based on what I saw courtesy of Pluto TV and replays, Whitney was absolutely clobbered on his drive to the basket.

 

[fanofzoo]

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

Based on what I saw courtesy of Pluto TV and replays, Whitney was absolutely clobbered on his drive to the basket.

Based on all this who knew what the refs would call, they were so consistent in calls :roll:

 

[CleanHOUSE]

WTF are you talking about? We have one of the better defensive teams in the conference and that's what keeps us in games despite our shaky offense. Our players pass all the damn time and sometimes to the detriment of our team when they pass on an open shot. We have one of the best pass-first guards in the conference in parker, who I think leads or is near the top on assists per game. Our guys make mistakes, they get in a hurry, but they don't lake effort. It's been a growing year.

Did you just wait for DeCuire to have an off year to create this account?

You may want to watch some of these games again and stop riding the band wagon, Parker is creative but wreckless and doesn't always make the open pass, I see him look off multiple guys only to force up some bullshit, he can't defend very well and neither can a few other gaurds and Travis rotations are ridiculous and thats why we end up like this over and over. How many turnovers did our gaurds have today?????? How many times do PGs just dribble back and fourth to force a bad shot leading to a turnover. Better defensive teams???? If that were true we would get more stops when needed not just against bad teams. If I struck a nerve thats too bad these are just my opinions and if yoh don't like them that's your problem, everything I've said has been valid.

I agree on Parker not a great passer, a lot of his passes seem pointless and don't show good anticipation like a QB throwing late into the flat only to get his guy lit up or picked of. That said he's not bad, and I think he is the best Driver on the team great body control and patience never gets out of control or bullied when driving in despite his size. To your other point I also agree, this is not talented D, we aren't bullying anyone with talent, blocking shots, jumping passes, creating fast break etc. We are solid and play fundamentally sound, but when a team with any talent goes right at us or when we NEED a stop its not like we can shut that down in an outstanding way. I think our numbers look better than they are because we are good at using the whole shot clock on both ends.
This team has some really nice talent that is above average for the BigSky, but we are getting average to below average result because we are just not mentally very strong or consistent yet, we don't have a creative offense that generate any easy buckets and gets guys in a rhythm, and our roster construction is not very well balanced.......This team reminds me of baseball with like 6 solid leadoff hitters, not great but solid...I mean if you had 6 Ricky Henersons you would win a lot of games lol, but we got six .275 hitters which will keep you in games, but its hard to really have success without any explosiveness or big play ability.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Agree it not being a foul at end!

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

Even I saw that, and I never played the game.

 

[hunt-ducks]

How about some movement when you don't have da ball?

This has been my main criticism of our offense under Travis. Most half-court offenses involve off-ball movement and screens being set to free-up shooters. With our offense, it seems that we have two players passing the ball around 25 feet from the basket, seemingly without real purpose, while the other players stand and watch.

I can't remember the last lob pass to a cutting player for a dunk. And, do we ever utilize the most effective play in basketball..... the pick-and-roll?

I just wish Travis would turn our guards and wings lose to fast-break. I have not seen a single Big Sky team with as many quick and athletic players as we have. Yet our offense negates that advantage by running this plodding brand of offense, more designed for slow, big players.

 

[GrizBall]

I agree on Parker not a great passer, a lot of his passes seem pointless and don't show good anticipation like a QB throwing late into the flat only to get his guy lit up or picked of. That said he's not bad, and I think he is the best Driver on the team great body control and patience never gets out of control or bullied when driving in despite his size. To your other point I also agree, this is not talented D, we aren't bullying anyone with talent, blocking shots, jumping passes, creating fast break etc. We are solid and play fundamentally sound, but when a team with any talent goes right at us or when we NEED a stop its not like we can shut that down in an outstanding way. I think our numbers look better than they are because we are good at using the whole shot clock on both ends.
This team has some really nice talent that is above average for the BigSky, but we are getting average to below average result because we are just not mentally very strong or consistent yet, we don't have a creative offense that generate any easy buckets and gets guys in a rhythm, and our roster construction is not very well balanced.......This team reminds me of baseball with like 6 solid leadoff hitters, not great but solid...I mean if you had 6 Ricky Henersons you would win a lot of games lol, but we got six .275 hitters which will keep you in games, but its hard to really have success without any explosiveness or big play ability.

As I pointed out with Steadman, sometimes people’s perceptions are not supported by the actual numbers.

Here are some stats on Parker:

16th in D-1 basketball and 1st in the Big Sky with a 38% Assist Rate - meaning when he is on the floor he assists on 38% of the team’s made field goals during that span (KenPom website).

The only player in D-1 basketball shooting 48%+FG/48%+3PG and averaging 4.7+apg. (Basketball Reference website).

Leads the Big Sky in assists per game, total assists and is 2nd in A/TO ratio. (Gogriz and Bigskyconf websites).

I think the fact he is a very unorthodox player, jumps on way too many passes and will occasionally throw a pass that seem to make little sense skews the perception of him.


Some of the defensive comments are on point. The numbers show that Parker has some improving to do on the defensive end. Also often times teams that play at a slower tempo get credit for being better defensive teams than they actually are due to the fact the slower tempo creates less scoring opportunities for opponents and disrupts the flow of the game.

I also don’t believe “Defense wins championships.” This is an ancient statement and has been widely debunked. It no long holds true with the :30 clock and 3pt line. Plus kids are too skilled offensively now. You have 6’8-6’9 kids stepping out and hitting 3’s. It no surprise that the Big Sky’s 3 best offensive teams are 1-2-3 in conference with only Weber being as high as 3rd in defense (all according to KenPom).

The new winning formula is being good on defense and very good to elite on offense. Clearly you want to be as good as you can on defense, but regardless of how good you are defensively, you can’t be a top team without at least a very good offense.

 

[hunt-ducks]

I agree on Parker not a great passer, a lot of his passes seem pointless and don't show good anticipation like a QB throwing late into the flat only to get his guy lit up or picked of. That said he's not bad, and I think he is the best Driver on the team great body control and patience never gets out of control or bullied when driving in despite his size. To your other point I also agree, this is not talented D, we aren't bullying anyone with talent, blocking shots, jumping passes, creating fast break etc. We are solid and play fundamentally sound, but when a team with any talent goes right at us or when we NEED a stop its not like we can shut that down in an outstanding way. I think our numbers look better than they are because we are good at using the whole shot clock on both ends.
This team has some really nice talent that is above average for the BigSky, but we are getting average to below average result because we are just not mentally very strong or consistent yet, we don't have a creative offense that generate any easy buckets and gets guys in a rhythm, and our roster construction is not very well balanced.......This team reminds me of baseball with like 6 solid leadoff hitters, not great but solid...I mean if you had 6 Ricky Henersons you would win a lot of games lol, but we got six .275 hitters which will keep you in games, but its hard to really have success without any explosiveness or big play ability.

As I pointed out with Steadman, sometimes people’s perceptions are not supported by the actual numbers.

Here are some stats on Parker:

16th in D-1 basketball and 1st in the Big Sky with a 38% Assist Rate - meaning when he is on the floor he assists on 38% of the team’s made field goals during that span (KenPom website).

The only player in D-1 basketball shooting 48%+FG/48%+3PG and averaging 4.7+apg. (Basketball Reference website).

Leads the Big Sky in assists per game, total assists and is 2nd in A/TO ratio. (Gogriz and Bigskyconf websites).

I think the fact he is a very unorthodox player, jumps on way too many passes and will occasionally throw a pass that seem to make little sense skews the perception of him.


Some of the defensive comments are on point. The numbers show that Parker has some improving to do on the defensive end. Also often times teams that play at a slower tempo get credit for being better defensive teams than they actually are due to the fact the slower tempo creates less scoring opportunities for opponents and disrupts the flow of the game.

I also don’t believe “Defense wins championships.” This is an ancient statement and has been widely debunked. It no long holds true with the :30 clock and 3pt line. Plus kids are too skilled offensively now. You have 6’8-6’9 kids stepping out and hitting 3’s. It no surprise that the Big Sky’s 3 best offensive teams are 1-2-3 in conference with only Weber being as high as 3rd in defense (all according to KenPom).

The new winning formula is being good on defense and very good to elite on offense. Clearly you want to be as good as you can on defense, but regardless of how good you are defensively, you can’t be a top team without at least a very good offense.

So, are you saying that we have a very good to elite offense? If you do, you must be watching a different team than I am. I wonder how we rank in the Big Sky as far as number of 3-point shots taken, and the number made. Anyone know the answer?

 

[GrizBall]

As I pointed out with Steadman, sometimes people’s perceptions are not supported by the actual numbers.

Here are some stats on Parker:

16th in D-1 basketball and 1st in the Big Sky with a 38% Assist Rate - meaning when he is on the floor he assists on 38% of the team’s made field goals during that span (KenPom website).

The only player in D-1 basketball shooting 48%+FG/48%+3PG and averaging 4.7+apg. (Basketball Reference website).

Leads the Big Sky in assists per game, total assists and is 2nd in A/TO ratio. (Gogriz and Bigskyconf websites).

I think the fact he is a very unorthodox player, jumps on way too many passes and will occasionally throw a pass that seem to make little sense skews the perception of him.


Some of the defensive comments are on point. The numbers show that Parker has some improving to do on the defensive end. Also often times teams that play at a slower tempo get credit for being better defensive teams than they actually are due to the fact the slower tempo creates less scoring opportunities for opponents and disrupts the flow of the game.

I also don’t believe “Defense wins championships.” This is an ancient statement and has been widely debunked. It no long holds true with the :30 clock and 3pt line. Plus kids are too skilled offensively now. You have 6’8-6’9 kids stepping out and hitting 3’s. It no surprise that the Big Sky’s 3 best offensive teams are 1-2-3 in conference with only Weber being as high as 3rd in defense (all according to KenPom).

The new winning formula is being good on defense and very good to elite on offense. Clearly you want to be as good as you can on defense, but regardless of how good you are defensively, you can’t be a top team without at least a very good offense.

So, are you saying that we have a very good to elite offense? If you do, you must be watching a different team than I am. I wonder how we rank in the Big Sky as far as number of 3-point shots taken, and the number made. Anyone know the answer?

I am actually saying the opposite. It doesn’t matter how good your defense is if you don’t have a very good offense and right now our offense is not in the very good category. So until that is straightened out defense is irrelevant.

I eyeballed the Big Sky Conf 3pt percentage and I would say we are last in 3pt attempts per game (it’s hard because everyone has played an uneven amount of games and I didn’t feel like doing the math).

Also according to KenPom Montana’s percentage of 3 pointers attempted is 340 of our 357 teams nationally (measured as 3Pt FGs attempted/FG attempted)

 

[GrizBall]

The issue is we seem to get very few easy points.

I am assuming we are last in 3pt attempts in the big Sky (but are second in 3pt%)

According to the analytics website Synergy we are last in the Big Sky in transition possessions.

And according to KenPom we are 8th in the Big Sky in offensive rebound percentage.

This is why I believe points are sometimes hard to come by.

 

[AllWeatherFan]

Agree it not being a foul at end!

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

Yup. And besides, ISU cannot complain about fouls, since they received many gift calls.

 

[citygriz]

Take another look. There were 2 ISU defenders and the one closet to the baseline completely took him out.

Yup. And besides, ISU cannot complain about fouls, since they received many gift calls.

Yup. That was assault and battery!

 

[citygriz]

The issue is we seem to get very few easy points.

I am assuming we are last in 3pt attempts in the big Sky (but are second in 3pt%)

According to the analytics website Synergy we are last in the Big Sky in transition possessions.

And according to KenPom we are 8th in the Big Sky in offensive rebound percentage.

This is why I believe points are sometimes hard to come by.

Points are hard to come by when you don't run anything. No movement off the ball. No "tic-tac-toe" say of guard-to post-to wing cutting along the baseline. (Actually, we did execute one of those yesterday, beautifully. But why only one that I can remember?) No lob dunks. Few fast breaks. W-a-y fewer three-point shots from an excellent three-point shooting team than from almost any other team in the country.

It was instructive that on our final possession yesterday, our best option was a Whitney drive to the basket--which has been one of our best offensive plays all year.

The answer? An offensive coordinator. Travis needs to turn that end of the court over to an offensive-minded assistant coach and sit down when we have the ball. That's what the Warriors have done, in reverse. Steve Kerr is an offensive-mastermind. He's got more out-of-bounds plays in his playbook than most coaches have for everything. But he turned the defense over to Ron Adams, one of the best defensive minds in the game. The first thing they teach you in business school: Delegate, delegate, delegate!

But I like our defense. Only two quibbles there. Just one bona-fide rim protector who fouls way too much, Mack Anderson. And the occasional stupid foul when a big comes out to Steph Curry land and smashes into an opposing guard, as Bannan did yesterday, or Anderson has done too often.

Plus we need more heft. Our kids gets pushed around down low--backed up, backed up, until the opponent has an easy shot or draws foul. And once yesterday when Kyle Owens tried to back HIS defender down, the defender didn't budge. I hope Kyle can come back next year at about 225 or 230. Remember, he was only 6'5" when we recruited him. There's time for his body to catch up to his height. When that happens, look out!

Finally, we're playing seven freshmen and sophomores in our rotation. Lighten up folks!
The quality is there. These kids will age like fine wine.

 

[CleanHOUSE]

I agree on Parker not a great passer, a lot of his passes seem pointless and don't show good anticipation like a QB throwing late into the flat only to get his guy lit up or picked of. That said he's not bad, and I think he is the best Driver on the team great body control and patience never gets out of control or bullied when driving in despite his size. To your other point I also agree, this is not talented D, we aren't bullying anyone with talent, blocking shots, jumping passes, creating fast break etc. We are solid and play fundamentally sound, but when a team with any talent goes right at us or when we NEED a stop its not like we can shut that down in an outstanding way. I think our numbers look better than they are because we are good at using the whole shot clock on both ends.
This team has some really nice talent that is above average for the BigSky, but we are getting average to below average result because we are just not mentally very strong or consistent yet, we don't have a creative offense that generate any easy buckets and gets guys in a rhythm, and our roster construction is not very well balanced.......This team reminds me of baseball with like 6 solid leadoff hitters, not great but solid...I mean if you had 6 Ricky Henersons you would win a lot of games lol, but we got six .275 hitters which will keep you in games, but its hard to really have success without any explosiveness or big play ability.

As I pointed out with Steadman, sometimes people’s perceptions are not supported by the actual numbers.

Here are some stats on Parker:

16th in D-1 basketball and 1st in the Big Sky with a 38% Assist Rate - meaning when he is on the floor he assists on 38% of the team’s made field goals during that span (KenPom website).

The only player in D-1 basketball shooting 48%+FG/48%+3PG and averaging 4.7+apg. (Basketball Reference website).

Leads the Big Sky in assists per game, total assists and is 2nd in A/TO ratio. (Gogriz and Bigskyconf websites).

I think the fact he is a very unorthodox player, jumps on way too many passes and will occasionally throw a pass that seem to make little sense skews the perception of him.


Some of the defensive comments are on point. The numbers show that Parker has some improving to do on the defensive end. Also often times teams that play at a slower tempo get credit for being better defensive teams than they actually are due to the fact the slower tempo creates less scoring opportunities for opponents and disrupts the flow of the game.

I also don’t believe “Defense wins championships.” This is an ancient statement and has been widely debunked. It no long holds true with the :30 clock and 3pt line. Plus kids are too skilled offensively now. You have 6’8-6’9 kids stepping out and hitting 3’s. It no surprise that the Big Sky’s 3 best offensive teams are 1-2-3 in conference with only Weber being as high as 3rd in defense (all according to KenPom).

The new winning formula is being good on defense and very good to elite on offense. Clearly you want to be as good as you can on defense, but regardless of how good you are defensively, you can’t be a top team without at least a very good offense.

Thoughts are well supported by data so my perception is probably a little off, and I didn't say he was bad passer, its just he can make really bad passes and strong more athletic kids can put him on his back foot and bully him at times into weak passes. But I would still say if has any elite skills its getting to the rim and finishing with patience and control. I will also say that his passing has improved a lot over the season, Parker as he is right now is someone I trust a lot more with the ball than say the first 10 games or so.