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Kaepernick, Nike, and GRIZ Athletics
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horribilisfan8184
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zengriz said:horribilisfan8184 said:
...dude..back off the m and m's...
...they're getting you a little hyper...
...if you're upset..you're a racist..own it...
...rotesst: ...
You can pretend Kaepernik has done something brave and noble all you want. That's what's great about this country. You can even ignorantly and anonymously throw labels at people you don't know, as a means of avoiding rational discussion on a topic. You might even try to do it in mini lines of prose.
Back to topic. Do you even slightly get my devil's advocacy is to make the point Nike's research and marketing and advertising geniuses might have misread the tea leaves on this issue? Time will tell but I've yet to see where the fans offended are saying they are only offended by the black players protesting but not the whites or Hispanics that join them. If that is the case, you might have a case for racism for those that think that way. In any event, my take is that the feelings on this subject run deeper than Nike's brain trust anticipated.
To me this is simple. This is America. Force allegiance is not allegiance. You have the right to stand or sit. The Anthem also means a lot to people for very, very valid reasons. My uncle lost his legs in Vietnam and eventually his life to what we think was agent orange exposure. I will always stand, but not judge those who don't. I don't know what it is like to be a young black man in America who feels like this might be his only way to be heard. I also respect those who choose to boycott NFL and Nike because of their strong feelings.
I don't support the "fire them" mentality or the threat of bodily harm. I don't think Kaepernick is not patriotic and I don't brand those that disagree as racist.
I don't support the "fire them" mentality or the threat of bodily harm. I don't think Kaepernick is not patriotic and I don't brand those that disagree as racist.
IdaGriz01
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Getting back (a little bit) to football: Anyone see his "collusion" lawsuit against the NFL going anywhere? There seems to be evidence that NFL owners have colluded in the past ... but not on things like this. The reality is that teams are so desperate for talent, they hardly ever worry about the off-the-field "baggage" associated with a player -- IF he can perform. This has been proven again and again.JSTGriz said:
Kaepernick had his moments, but his playing style/capabilities simply do not qualify him for any current NFL offense. The tryout with Seattle (presumably to back up Russell Wilson) was probably his best chance to get a slot, and (for whatever reason) that didn't pan out.
BTW MODS: This thread has strayed way far away from FCS/Griz football (don't give a damn about the Nike connection). Shouldn't it be banished?
Just thought I'd drop this in regarding Kapernick.
https://www.therealcuba.com/?p=2080
Now the Castro's and this Che Guevara were buddies .
Make sure you pay attention to the last paragraph.
I guess everyone needs to stand (oops I mean kneel ) for something
After the July 1959 overthrow of Batista’s regime, Che presided over the first firing squads and established labor camps across the country modeled after the Soviet gulags. He acted as judge, jury and executioner of which he personally took pride. He wrote in his essay,
“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary… These are the procedures of the bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the teaching of the Wall!”
To invoke the Berlin Wall built by his comrades from Russia, was a testament to the process of dealing with dissidents and the elimination of opposition of the newly formed communist Cuban dictatorship; and eliminate they did.
Through these newly formed labor camps, Che ordered the death of hundreds of thousands of helpless Cubans including women and children as young as 14 years old. He personally executed over 180 individual people, though some say much more fell at his own hands. A special detail at the camps was appointed to deal with the “gay problem” as they were imprisoned as well and journalists were given no free voice as promised.
Following the takeover of the government, this newly formed Soviet backed regime created a police state that incarcerated a greater percentage of its people than Joseph Stalin’s regime.
During the Kennedy administration in 1962, after much debate as to whether the Soviets even had any involvement with the Cuban revolution or its development of its government, Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev worked with Castro to place nuclear-armed ballistic missiles in Cuba, ending one debate by beginning a new one.
After Kennedy met with the Soviet representatives, the event ended without nuclear war and the missiles were removed. However, Che was not happy with the outcome and both he and Castro felt betrayed by their Soviet big brother. Che was quoted in the Cuban Socialist newspaper The Daily Worker as saying, “if the rockets had remained, we would have used them all and directed them against the very heart of the United States, including New York…”
In 1965, after securing Castro’s supremacy in Cuba, Che was contracted by the Russians to help spread the Soviet expansion by aiding and training the rebels in Congolese Africa. While there he became frustrated with the lack of progress the revolution had achieved against the “European invaders.” Especially disappointing was that their love of violence did not meet or exceed his. He voiced his frustrations by stating,
“The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: the Portuguese…. the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead.”
When he decided to leave Africa and abandon the Soviet expansion efforts there he later spoke on a radio talk show with Louis Pons and stated,
“We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”
https://www.therealcuba.com/?p=2080
Now the Castro's and this Che Guevara were buddies .
Make sure you pay attention to the last paragraph.
I guess everyone needs to stand (oops I mean kneel ) for something
After the July 1959 overthrow of Batista’s regime, Che presided over the first firing squads and established labor camps across the country modeled after the Soviet gulags. He acted as judge, jury and executioner of which he personally took pride. He wrote in his essay,
“To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary… These are the procedures of the bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the teaching of the Wall!”
To invoke the Berlin Wall built by his comrades from Russia, was a testament to the process of dealing with dissidents and the elimination of opposition of the newly formed communist Cuban dictatorship; and eliminate they did.
Through these newly formed labor camps, Che ordered the death of hundreds of thousands of helpless Cubans including women and children as young as 14 years old. He personally executed over 180 individual people, though some say much more fell at his own hands. A special detail at the camps was appointed to deal with the “gay problem” as they were imprisoned as well and journalists were given no free voice as promised.
Following the takeover of the government, this newly formed Soviet backed regime created a police state that incarcerated a greater percentage of its people than Joseph Stalin’s regime.
During the Kennedy administration in 1962, after much debate as to whether the Soviets even had any involvement with the Cuban revolution or its development of its government, Russian Premier Nikita Khrushchev worked with Castro to place nuclear-armed ballistic missiles in Cuba, ending one debate by beginning a new one.
After Kennedy met with the Soviet representatives, the event ended without nuclear war and the missiles were removed. However, Che was not happy with the outcome and both he and Castro felt betrayed by their Soviet big brother. Che was quoted in the Cuban Socialist newspaper The Daily Worker as saying, “if the rockets had remained, we would have used them all and directed them against the very heart of the United States, including New York…”
In 1965, after securing Castro’s supremacy in Cuba, Che was contracted by the Russians to help spread the Soviet expansion by aiding and training the rebels in Congolese Africa. While there he became frustrated with the lack of progress the revolution had achieved against the “European invaders.” Especially disappointing was that their love of violence did not meet or exceed his. He voiced his frustrations by stating,
“The blacks, those magnificent examples of the African race who have conserved their racial purity by a lack of affinity with washing, have seen their patch invaded by a different kind of slave: the Portuguese…. the black is indolent and fanciful, he spends his money on frivolity and drink; the European comes from a tradition of working and saving which follows him to this corner of America and drives him to get ahead.”
When he decided to leave Africa and abandon the Soviet expansion efforts there he later spoke on a radio talk show with Louis Pons and stated,
“We’re going to do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the revolution. By which I mean: nothing.”
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