grizfan1984
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Actually Nic Hallisy handles it for basketball.grizfan1984 said:I don’t know wtf is going on but this crap happened to a football recruit too. Announced him then a day later remove the post, after almost a month later the kids Instagram finally reveals he’s coming in but nothing else official from the University there is 3-4 guys in basketball the University hasn’t revealed and another handful in Football, come on Taber what’s going on?
GrizBall said:My pet peeve is citing offers or interest as an indication of how good a player is. Here are my first-hand experiences:
First, “interest” could be a phone call from the lowest level assistant or Director of Basketball Operations who has likely has made contact with 200-300 players or a form letter. When a player gets called by a reporter/analyst and asks who is interested in you, the player will list the highest level of schools that have sent him a form letter. The reporters never push back. It’s good for recruiting sites as well as generally no one wants to read about players with low-level offers and they can push articles to the school specific site for clicks.
Second, offers are non-verifiable. Meaning a school doesn’t put out a list of people it has given offers to. It is well known that AAU coaches and trainers float “offers” as a way to increase business and schools won’t make an issue of it because it’s not a big deal to them and they don’t want to create relationship issues with an AAU team or trainer that they will recruit from in the future. And in addition, verbal offers are not binding. Many players that thought they had offers tried to call and commit but weren’t allowed to. I saw a tweet a little while ago that thanked the Director of basketball Operations for giving him an offer. DOBOs aren’t the people that communicate true offers to players. This is now listed on Verbal Commits as an offer.
Always happy for the Griz to get talented players, but I have a very hard time believing we got two players that were basically still available in June that turned down offers from Florida State, Nevada, Mississippi St and Ole Miss in favor of Montana. Not saying it’s not possible, but very unlikely.
I’ll be happy when official visits return because that to me is the best way to determine true interest and offers, particularly at the level that the Griz recruit.
PlayerRep said:GrizBall said:My pet peeve is citing offers or interest as an indication of how good a player is. Here are my first-hand experiences:
First, “interest” could be a phone call from the lowest level assistant or Director of Basketball Operations who has likely has made contact with 200-300 players or a form letter. When a player gets called by a reporter/analyst and asks who is interested in you, the player will list the highest level of schools that have sent him a form letter. The reporters never push back. It’s good for recruiting sites as well as generally no one wants to read about players with low-level offers and they can push articles to the school specific site for clicks.
Second, offers are non-verifiable. Meaning a school doesn’t put out a list of people it has given offers to. It is well known that AAU coaches and trainers float “offers” as a way to increase business and schools won’t make an issue of it because it’s not a big deal to them and they don’t want to create relationship issues with an AAU team or trainer that they will recruit from in the future. And in addition, verbal offers are not binding. Many players that thought they had offers tried to call and commit but weren’t allowed to. I saw a tweet a little while ago that thanked the Director of basketball Operations for giving him an offer. DOBOs aren’t the people that communicate true offers to players. This is now listed on Verbal Commits as an offer.
Always happy for the Griz to get talented players, but I have a very hard time believing we got two players that were basically still available in June that turned down offers from Florida State, Nevada, Mississippi St and Ole Miss in favor of Montana. Not saying it’s not possible, but very unlikely.
I’ll be happy when official visits return because that to me is the best way to determine true interest and offers, particularly at the level that the Griz recruit.
I have been told by coaches over the years, that they never offer nearly as many high school kids as show up on websites and the internet, or even in tweets. Not even close. So, I'm agreeing with your post.
Grizfan-24 said:He's being reported as a class of 2021 kid but Verbal and 247 list him as class of 2022.
Not sure what the confusion is. Maybe he reclassified like Wetzel did and is just being reported as a 2022 and decided after the fact to collect on one of his 2021 offers.
What a screwy recruiting year this is.
Grizfan-24 said:So I messaged a couple of different people about Scotty Washington. They both said he re-classified as a class of 2022 a year ago and was committed to a prep year similar to the one that Wetzel went through last year because he lost a year to injury (shoulder).
Neither were sure if he was committing as a class of 2021 or 2022. One said that the verbal appeared to be a bit of left field considering the above and considering he had several scholarship offers for 2022 from TCU, CSU and a couple of others.
Rather peculiar situation considering his variable year and the utter dearth of information coming from him or other news outlets. So far the Missoulian is the only place to report his commitment, and Washington doesn't even have it on his own twitter feed.
Grizfan-24 said:So I messaged a couple of different people about Scotty Washington. They both said he re-classified as a class of 2022 a year ago and was committed to a prep year similar to the one that Wetzel went through last year because he lost a year to injury (shoulder).
Neither were sure if he was committing as a class of 2021 or 2022. One said that the verbal appeared to be a bit of left field considering the above and considering he had several scholarship offers for 2022 from TCU, CSU and a couple of others.
Rather peculiar situation considering his variable year and the utter dearth of information coming from him or other news outlets. So far the Missoulian is the only place to report his commitment, and Washington doesn't even have it on his own twitter feed.
fanofzoo said:Grizfan-24 said:So I messaged a couple of different people about Scotty Washington. They both said he re-classified as a class of 2022 a year ago and was committed to a prep year similar to the one that Wetzel went through last year because he lost a year to injury (shoulder).
Neither were sure if he was committing as a class of 2021 or 2022. One said that the verbal appeared to be a bit of left field considering the above and considering he had several scholarship offers for 2022 from TCU, CSU and a couple of others.
Rather peculiar situation considering his variable year and the utter dearth of information coming from him or other news outlets. So far the Missoulian is the only place to report his commitment, and Washington doesn't even have it on his own twitter feed.
I give up, will read the rooster come sept. if it's ready, any bets on it being out then ?
fanofzoo said:Grizfan-24 said:So I messaged a couple of different people about Scotty Washington. They both said he re-classified as a class of 2022 a year ago and was committed to a prep year similar to the one that Wetzel went through last year because he lost a year to injury (shoulder).
Neither were sure if he was committing as a class of 2021 or 2022. One said that the verbal appeared to be a bit of left field considering the above and considering he had several scholarship offers for 2022 from TCU, CSU and a couple of others.
Rather peculiar situation considering his variable year and the utter dearth of information coming from him or other news outlets. So far the Missoulian is the only place to report his commitment, and Washington doesn't even have it on his own twitter feed.
I give up, will read the rooster come sept. if it's ready, any bets on it being out then ?
Hi Tim –
Thanks for the email and your interest in Griz Hoops! It’s an exciting time for the program with some key pieces coming back, in addition to some newcomers, some of whom you mentioned below.
Unfortunately, as you may be aware, the NCAA is pretty strict about when the athletics department/coaches can publicize or talk about recruits. We are unable to talk about specific players, or add them to our rosters, until they official sign a National Letter of Intent, or in the case of the walk-ons, are admitted and enrolled at the University. A lot of times student-athletes will ‘announce’ their intention on social media, and while it may be 90% official, we aren’t able to post anything until it’s fully cleared by our compliance office and the NCAA.
That’s why you’ll likely see a gap between when someone announces something and when we can promote it. Hopefully in the coming weeks we’ll be able to add more players to the roster and start giving them the recognition they deserve.
Let me know if you have any questions!