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Question about official reviews

I think we’re just operating under the misguided idea that the bsc actually cares about adequately officiated games.
 
Jaredkuehn said:
behappp said:
The coach has to call a timeout to request the challenge. If his team is already out of timeouts, he can’t challenge, but if a challenge is successful, he gets the timeout back.

https://www.sbnation.com/colleg...89766/ncaa-instant-replay-challenge-rule

I think the Griz coaching staff may need to risk timeouts in order to make up for ref inadequacies

I’m not sure if we’ve ever seen Hauck request a review, not this year that I can recall at least.

By NCAA rule, every play should be reviewed. The review official has the tools (supposedly) to make the call, that’s tough for the coaches to make that call in the middle of the game from their vantage, so I can’t blame them for not risking a timeout.

I did tweet pictures to the BSC and the BSC commish. No response as of yet.

:thumb:
Let us know if you get any response.
 
Assistants in the press box need to have the head coaches complete confidence. However the officiating in the Idaho game beats the hell out of that Goat Rope in Portland.
 
Brother Bear said:
You would think with all the TV's in the stadium that someone on the coaching staff using head sets could tell Bobby we might just want to look at that last play. Do the coaches upstairs not have monitors in the booth? It's a freaking home game, GrizVision have the ability to quickly let the fans know it was a fumble by showing slow mow, still frame of the play? It was pretty obvious. Even the root sports announcers were saying it was a fumble before the next play got off.

This.
We the audience hundreds of miles from the stadium could tell almost instantly it was a fumble recovered by the Grizzlies. Those on the field don't have that benefit.

Yet I'd certainly think our staff up in the booth would have a damn TV screen there to quickly see if it should be challenged. Hauck and those on the field can't see but they should be quickly told. If not, why not????? :ugeek:
 
http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4575-2019-ncaa-football-rules-and-interpretations.aspx

RULE 12
Instant Replay

SECTION 1. Purpose and Philosophy

Purpose
ARTICLE 1. Instant replay is a process whereby video review is used to confirm, reverse or let stand certain on-field decisions (Rule 12-3) made by game officials.

Philosophy
ARTICLE 2. The instant replay process operates under the fundamental assumption that the ruling on the field is correct. The replay official may reverse a ruling if and only if the video evidence (Rule 12-6-1-c) convinces him beyond all doubt that the ruling was incorrect. Without such indisputable video evidence, the replay official must allow the ruling to stand. (Exception: Targeting rule 12-3-5-a)

SECTION 2. Eligibility for Instant Replay

Participation
ARTICLE 1. a. Any member institution may use instant replay, but there is no requirement to do so. If instant replay is used, it must be used in full compliance with this rule.
b. For any nonconference game, if the home team is using instant replay, the
visiting team does not have the option of declining its use for that game. If the home team is not using instant replay, it is not required to honor a request by the visiting team that it be used.

SECTION 3. Reviewable Plays

Scoring Plays
ARTICLE 1. Reviewable plays involving a potential score include:
1. A potential touchdown or safety. [Exception: Safety by penalty for fouls that are not specifically reviewable.]
2. Field goal attempts if and only if the ball is ruled (a) below or above the crossbar or (b) inside or outside the uprights when it is lower than the top of the uprights. If the ball is higher than the top of the uprights as it crosses the end line, the play may not be reviewed.

Passes
ARTICLE 2. Reviewable plays involving passes include:
1. Pass ruled complete, incomplete or intercepted anywhere in the field of play or an end zone.
2. Forward pass touched by a player (eligible or ineligible) or an official, including whether the touching is beyond or behind the line of scrimmage.
3. Forward pass or forward handing when a ball carrier is or has been beyond the neutral zone.
4. A forward pass or forward handing after a change of team possession.
5. Pass ruled forward or backward.
1. If the pass is ruled forward and is incomplete, the play is reviewable only if the ball goes out of bounds or if there is clear recovery of a loose ball in the immediate continuing football action after the loose ball. If the replay official does not have indisputable video evidence as to which team recovers or the ball going out of bounds, the ruling of incomplete pass stands. (Exception: Rule 12-3-1-a)
2. If the replay official reverses an incomplete forward pass ruling and the ball is recovered, it belongs to the recovering team at the spot of the recovery and any advance is nullified.
f. Location of the ball when it is obviously in the field of play and a ruling of intentional grounding would result in a safety by penalty.

Dead Ball and Loose Ball
ARTICLE 3. Reviewable plays involving potential dead balls and loose balls include:
a. Loose ball by a potential passer ruled a fumble.
b. Loose ball by a passer ruled incomplete forward pass when there is clear recovery or the ball goes out of bounds in the immediate continuing action after the loose ball.
1. If the replay official does not have indisputable video evidence as to which team recovers or the ball going out of bounds, the ruling of incomplete pass stands.
2. If the replay official rules fumble and the ball is recovered, the ball belongs to the recovering team at the spot of the recovery and any advance is nullified.
c. Live ball not ruled dead in possession of a ball carrier.
d. Loose ball ruled dead (Rule 4-1-2-b-2), or live ball ruled dead in possession of a ball carrier, when the clear recovery of a loose ball occurs in the immediate continuing football action.
1. If the ball is ruled dead and the replay official does not have indisputable video evidence as to which team recovers, the dead-ball ruling stands.
2. If the replay official rules that the ball was not dead, it belongs to the recovering team at the spot of the recovery and any advance is nullified.
e. Ball carrier’s forward progress, spot of fumble, or spot of out-of-bounds backward pass, with respect to a first down or the goal line.
f. Catch or recovery of a fumble by a Team A player other than the fumbler before any change of possession during fourth down or a try.
g. Ball carrier in or out of bounds. If a ball carrier is ruled out of bounds, the play is not reviewable, except as in Rules 12-3-1-a and 12-3-3-d.
h. Catch, recovery or touching of a loose ball by a player in bounds or out of bounds.
i. A loose ball touching on or beyond a sideline, goal line, or end line, touching a pylon, or breaking the plane of a goal line.
j. Catch or recovery of a loose ball in the field of play or an end zone.
k. Forward fumble that goes out of bounds with respect to a first down.
l. Live ball declared dead under Rule 4-1-2-b-2 and b-3 (inadvertent whistle).
Kicks

ARTICLE 4. Reviewable plays involving kicks include:
a. Touching of a kick.
b. Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball.
c. Kicking team player advancing a ball after a potential muffed kick/fumble by the receiving team.
d. Scrimmage kick crossing the neutral zone.
e. Blocking by players of the kicking team before they are eligible to touch the ball on an on-side kick.

Targeting
ARTICLE 5 a. The replay official shall review all targeting fouls, Rules 9-1-3 and 9-1-4. For a player to be disqualified and the Targeting foul to be enforced, all elements of a Targeting foul must be confirmed by the Instant Replay Official. There is no option for stands as a part of a Targeting review. If any element of Targeting cannot be confirmed, then the Replay Official shall overturn the targeting foul.

Targeting elements include:
1. Rule 9-1-3:
(a) A player takes aim at an opponent for the purposes of attacking with forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.
(b) An indicator of targeting is present.
2. Rule 9-1-4:
(a) A defenseless opponent (Rule 2-27-14).
(b) A player takes aim at a defenseless opponent for the purposes of attacking with forcible contact to the head or neck area. (c) An indicator of targeting is present.
b. The replay official may create a targeting foul from the booth when the targeting action is clear and obvious and the foul is not called by the officials on the field. Such a review may not be initiated by a coach’s challenge.

Miscellaneous
ARTICLE 6. Situations that may be addressed by the replay official:
a. The number of players on the field for either team during a live ball.
b. Clock adjustment and status when a ruling is reviewed.
c. With less than one minute in either half and a replay review results in the on-field ruling being reversed, and the correct ruling would not have stopped the game clock, then the clock will be reset to the time the ball is declared dead by replay. The referee will subtract 10 seconds from the game clock and the game clock will start on the referee’s signal. Either team may use a team timeout to avoid the runoff.
d. Clock adjustment at the end of any quarter.
If the game clock expires at the end of any quarter, either during a down in which it should be stopped by rule through play when the ball becomes dead or after the down upon a request for an available team timeout, the replay official may restore time only under these conditions:
1. The replay official has indisputable video evidence that time should have remained on the game clock when the ball became dead or when the team timeout was granted;
2. In the second and fourth quarters only, the team to which the ball would belong after it becomes dead would next put the ball in play from scrimmage (not the try);
3. In the fourth quarter only, either the score is tied or the team that will next snap the ball is behind by eight points or fewer; and
4. The replay official’s video evidence includes the timeout signal by an official in the case where the game clock should have stopped for a requested team timeout.
e. Correcting the number of a down.
1. This includes the result of a penalty enforcement that includes an automatic first down or loss of down.
2. The correction may be made at any time within that series of downs or before the ball is legally put in play after that series.
f. Any person who is not a player interfering with live-ball action occurring in the field of play (Rule 9-2-3).
g. An injured player at the initiation of the medical observer.

Limitations on Reviewable Plays
ARTICLE 7. No other plays or officiating decisions are reviewable. However, the replay official may correct obvious errors that may have a significant impact on the outcome of the game, including those involving the game clock, whether or not a play is reviewable. This excludes fouls that are not specifically reviewable (See Article 8, following).

Reviewable Fouls
ARTICLE 8. The following plays are reviewable and the replay official may create a foul when there is no call by the on-field officials:
a. Player making a forward pass or forward handoff when beyond the neutral zone or after a change of possession (Rule 12-3-2-c and –d).
b. Player beyond the neutral zone when kicking the ball (Rule 12-3-4-b).
c. Blocking by players of the kicking team before they are eligible to touch the ball on an onside kick (Rule 12-3-4-e).
d. The number of players on the field for either team during a live ball (Rule 12-3-6-a).
e. Illegal touching of a forward pass by an originally eligible receiver who has gone out of bounds. (Rules 12-3-2-b and 12-3-3-h).
f. Player who is out of bounds touching a free kick that had not been touched
7. Forward pass that becomes illegal as a second pass after an on-field ruling of a backward pass is reversed (Rule 12-3-2-e).
8. A clear and obvious targeting foul (Rule 12-3-5-b).

SECTION 4. Instant Replay Personnel, Equipment and Location

Personnel
ARTICLE 1. Instant replay personnel shall consist of the number of persons needed to operate the replay equipment within the necessary time constraints. There shall be a minimum of three persons to ensure that all plays are reviewed in an efficient and timely manner. Such persons are normally referred to as replay official, communicator and technician. Additional personnel may be used as needed.

Equipment
ARTICLE 2. The type of equipment used to carry out necessary instant replay duties shall be determined by each conference or member institution using instant replay.

Location
ARTICLE 3. a. All equipment used to review a play during the replay process and the personnel using that equipment shall be located in a separate, secure location in the press box. This room shall not be available or accessible to any person not directly involved in instant replay. As an ongoing experiment, a collaborative decision-making model during instant replay reviews that is in full compliance with Rule 12 is not limited to the press box of a stadium.
b. Additional telephonic equipment needed to allow instant replay personnel to communicate with the game referee when a game has been stopped for a play review shall be located on a sideline near the field of play and preferably outside a team area. Such equipment shall provide the game referee and the replay official a secure and private means of communication.

SECTION 5. Initiating the Replay Process

Game Stop
ARTICLE 1. There are two methods to stop a game to review a ruling on the field.
a. The replay official and his crew shall review every play of a game. He may stop a game at any time before the ball is next legally put in play (Exception: Rule 12-3-6-d) whenever he believes that:
1. There is reasonable evidence to believe an error was made in the initial on-field ruling.
2. The play is reviewable.
3. The outcome of a review would have a direct, competitive impact on the game.
b. The head coach of either team may request that the game be stopped and a play be reviewed by challenging the on-field ruling.
1. A head coach initiates this challenge by taking a team timeout before the ball is next legally put in play (Exception: Rule 12-3-6-d) and informing the referee that he is challenging the ruling of the previous play. If a head coach’s challenge is successful, he retains the challenge, which he may use only once more during the game. Thus, a coach may have a total of two challenges if and only if his initial challenge is successful.
2. After a review has been completed, if the on-field ruling is reversed, that team’s timeout will not be charged.
3. After a review has been completed, and the on-field ruling is not reversed, the charged team timeout counts as one of the three permitted that team for that half or the one permitted in that extra period.
4. A head coach may not challenge a ruling in which the game was stopped and a decision has already been made by the replay official.
5. If a head coach requests a team timeout to challenge an on-field ruling and the play being challenged is not reviewable, the timeout shall count as one of the three permitted his team during that half of the game or the one permitted in that extra period.
6. A head coach may not challenge an on-field ruling if all the team’s timeouts have been used for that half or in that extra period.


When To Stop a Game
ARTICLE 2. a. A game may be stopped, either by the replay official or by a head coach’s challenge, at any time before the ball is next legally put in play (Exception: Rule 12-3-6-d).
b. No game official may request that a game be stopped for a play to be
reviewed.

SECTION 6. Reviewing an On-Field Ruling

Procedures
ARTICLE 1. a. When a game is to be stopped either by the replay official or by a head coach’s challenge, the designated officials on the field will be notified by a paging system or other appropriate means.
b. If the review is initiated by the replay official, the referee shall announce: “The ruling on the previous play is ... (brief description of ruling). The play is under further review.”
If the game has been stopped due to a head coach’s challenge, the referee
shall announce:
“The (name of institution) head coach has challenged the ruling of (state the ruling). The play is under further review.”
c. All reviews shall be based upon video evidence provided by and coming directly from the televised production of the game or from other video means available to the replay official that is also available to the television producer.
d. After the referee has conferred with the replay official and the review process has been completed, the referee shall make one of the following announcements:
1. If the video evidence confirms the on-field ruling:
“After further review, the ruling on the field is confirmed.”
2. If there is no indisputable (conclusive) evidence to reverse the on-field ruling:
“After further review, the ruling on the field stands.” (Exception 12-3-5-a — Stands is not an allowable ruling or targeting.)
3. If the on-field ruling is reversed (Rule 12-7):
“After further review, the ruling is [followed by a brief description of the video evidence]. Therefore, [followed by a brief description of the impact of the ruling].”
e. If a ruling is reversed, the replay official shall supply the referee with all pertinent data as needed (next down, distance, yard line, position of the ball, clock status/adjustment) in order to resume play under the correct game conditions.

Restrictions
ARTICLE 2. a. There is no restriction on the number of times the replay official may stop a game for reviews.
b. The replay official is under no time limit for a review.

SECTION 7. Reversing an On-Field Ruling

Criterion for Reversal
ARTICLE 1. To reverse an on-field ruling, the replay official must be convinced beyond all doubt by indisputable video evidence through one or more video replays provided to the monitor.
 
Having been a member of the replay booth/crew for the Griz a couple seasons back...a few quick points/notes; virtually every play during the game has a reviewable element to it and has 4-6 people in the booth looking at EVERYTHING, as a result of that first statement- NO coach should ever have to burn a timeout to get something reviewed/looked at..it is already happening, the makeup of the booth/crew used to have 3-4 individuals assigned by UM for the season with the “replay official” being a member of the Big Sky crew officiating the game on the field so that person changed each week, in terms of camera angles/views- the Griz vision is not available to the review booth, the cameras are provided by the TV production team (ROOT, SWX Montana) and usually provide a full field view (known as all 22), high end zone, low end zone and field cameras on the sideline(s). As was mentioned above, calls made on the field need to be egregiously bad to get reversed...also listen to the call from the Referee after review; Call is confirmed (video supports the call), Call stands (not enough on video to change the call) and Call reversed (video supports a call change)...hope this helps.

Thrilled Bobby is back! Go Griz—RTD
 
Oline Coach said:
Having been a member of the replay booth/crew for the Griz a couple seasons back...a few quick points/notes; virtually every play during the game has a reviewable element to it and has 4-6 people in the booth looking at EVERYTHING, as a result of that first statement- NO coach should ever have to burn a timeout to get something reviewed/looked at..it is already happening, the makeup of the booth/crew used to have 3-4 individuals assigned by UM for the season with the “replay official” being a member of the Big Sky crew officiating the game on the field so that person changed each week, in terms of camera angles/views- the Griz vision is not available to the review booth, the cameras are provided by the TV production team (ROOT, SWX Montana) and usually provide a full field view (known as all 22), high end zone, low end zone and field cameras on the sideline(s). As was mentioned above, calls made on the field need to be egregiously bad to get reversed...also listen to the call from the Referee after review; Call is confirmed (video supports the call), Call stands (not enough on video to change the call) and Call reversed (video supports a call change)...hope this helps.

Thrilled Bobby is back! Go Griz—RTD

Thanks for input. Going back to original post, is there an explanation of why this play was not reviewed based on Root camera views?
 
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.
 
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

Good point BD! According to protocal on e-Griz, we must now blame Pluto. If they are somehow found not be culpable, we will blame Bob Stitt.

As is tradition.
 
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

In 2019, it's simply unacceptable not to have intent replay available. Should as easy to provide as providing a reliable online stream of the game. Oh wait... :?
 
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember a play later in the game being reviewed? Did that not happen?
 
1972 said:
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

I could be wrong, but I think I remember a play later in the game being reviewed? Did that not happen?

Yes there was a play on Saturday that was reviewed. I think the Skyline tweet was referring to the EWU game that didn't have review available.
 
Ursa Major said:
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

Good point BD! According to protocal on e-Griz, we must now blame Pluto. If they are somehow found not be culpable, we will blame Bob Stitt.

As is tradition.

Agreed. This one though, may have gotten all the way to Royce.
 
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

If I'm reading the rules right, it seems the home team can determine if there will be replay review. Are we not having review available?
 
grizpaws said:
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

If I'm reading the rules right, it seems the home team can determine if there will be replay review. Are we not having review available?

Dunno. I have noticed at home games when the crowd is boooooing a reviewable call Bobby & Co and team just seem to go about their business and get ready for the next play without hesitation.
 
grizpaws said:
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

If I'm reading the rules right, it seems the home team can determine if there will be replay review. Are we not having review available?

The way I read the rules, I believe it is the home team that determines if replay will be utilized during the game, not whether any individual play will be reviewed to sleep. Maybe that's exactly what you just said.
 
Jaredkuehn said:
behappp said:
The coach has to call a timeout to request the challenge. If his team is already out of timeouts, he can’t challenge, but if a challenge is successful, he gets the timeout back.

https://www.sbnation.com/colleg...89766/ncaa-instant-replay-challenge-rule

I think the Griz coaching staff may need to risk timeouts in order to make up for ref inadequacies

I’m not sure if we’ve ever seen Hauck request a review, not this year that I can recall at least.

By NCAA rule, every play should be reviewed. The review official has the tools (supposedly) to make the call, that’s tough for the coaches to make that call in the middle of the game from their vantage, so I can’t blame them for not risking a timeout.

I did tweet pictures to the BSC and the BSC commish. No response as of yet.

Agree with Jared. Bobby and crew seem remarkably sanguine about missed calls. I know you can't catch them all but the dropped catch in question was pretty egregious. Maybe they figure that it will all come out in the wash.
 
Fahque said:
grizpaws said:
bgbigdog said:
[media] https://twitter.com/skylinesportsmt/status/1193270585498800128?s=21[/media]

So it may not be simply a BSC problem.

If I'm reading the rules right, it seems the home team can determine if there will be replay review. Are we not having review available?

The way I read the rules, I believe it is the home team that determines if replay will be utilized during the game, not whether any individual play will be reviewed to sleep. Maybe that's exactly what you just said.

That's what I meant to say...I would assume if the home team elects to have replay, then both teams have the right to have a "qualifying" play reviewed. Anyone know why we wouldn't have replay?
 
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