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billings_poke said:North Dakota State for one is wanting to pall full cost stipends and will do so it appears
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billings_poke said:North Dakota State for one is wanting to pall full cost stipends and will do so it appears
PlayerRep said:BadlandsGrizFan said:Well sadly I think that's the direction that any college football programs that don't want to basically be D2 are going. But honestly if this is the case Montana is a lot luckier than most schools in that we have the perfect Conference to step into like the Mountain West. Geographically, facility wise, fan support, and financially the UM would fit right in with those schools. So I guess were lucky for that. Could you imagine being a team like NDSU trying to find a conference that fits....what would it be? The Mid American?
I don't get the FBS or D-II thing. I've seen no suggestion that the number of scholarships are proposed to be increased. Thus, virtually all recruits who get offered an FBS scholarship (and stipend) and want to play FBS are going to go to FBS--just like they do now. The number of FBS scholarships doesn't increase because there are additional stipends. Looking at football, who on the Griz would be at an FBS school if there were stipends? Will the Griz lose a recruit a year to Idaho because they have a $3500 stipend? If so, who cares? Would Jesse Sims go to Oregon St. because of the stipend? Jeez, the additional cost for him to get to and from school and for his family to attend games, would be more than $3500.
Again, if UM doesn't pay a stipend, then they need to go to D-II? That argument doesn't even make sense.
citay said:PlayerRep said:BadlandsGrizFan said:Well sadly I think that's the direction that any college football programs that don't want to basically be D2 are going. But honestly if this is the case Montana is a lot luckier than most schools in that we have the perfect Conference to step into like the Mountain West. Geographically, facility wise, fan support, and financially the UM would fit right in with those schools. So I guess were lucky for that. Could you imagine being a team like NDSU trying to find a conference that fits....what would it be? The Mid American?
I don't get the FBS or D-II thing. I've seen no suggestion that the number of scholarships are proposed to be increased. Thus, virtually all recruits who get offered an FBS scholarship (and stipend) and want to play FBS are going to go to FBS--just like they do now. The number of FBS scholarships doesn't increase because there are additional stipends. Looking at football, who on the Griz would be at an FBS school if there were stipends? Will the Griz lose a recruit a year to Idaho because they have a $3500 stipend? If so, who cares? Would Jesse Sims go to Oregon St. because of the stipend? Jeez, the additional cost for him to get to and from school and for his family to attend games, would be more than $3500.
Again, if UM doesn't pay a stipend, then they need to go to D-II? That argument doesn't even make sense.
well, maybe you're right. i met a woman once who'd never been out of missoula county, and she seemed to be one of the happiest people i've ever met. for those of you who live in missoula, can't see beyond bozeman, have easy access to the games and are happy chasing a second-rate "national championship", it's a dawg's life you've got. be happy!
for those of us whose lives took us outside montana, we look back with great fondness on a state whose motto seems to be "oro, plata y nada risk," yet still wonder why it is montana can't join the big boy's club and be a part of the national conversation. why we can't be blue-chip montana instead 1-aa junk bonds montana. why shithole nowhere places like laramie, stillwater, lincoln, pullman and ames can have major programs, while missoula can't. why a school with better football attendance than several of the mountain west schools can't be a mountain west school. why in response to such a diatribe like this, there will be a flood of 683 reasons why we can't, instead of the will to say, "let's do it!" jerry jones said once, "the greatest risk in life is not taking risks." the montana athletic program is at a point it needs to take a risk, and move up. the greater risk? standing pat.
citay said:PlayerRep said:BadlandsGrizFan said:Well sadly I think that's the direction that any college football programs that don't want to basically be D2 are going. But honestly if this is the case Montana is a lot luckier than most schools in that we have the perfect Conference to step into like the Mountain West. Geographically, facility wise, fan support, and financially the UM would fit right in with those schools. So I guess were lucky for that. Could you imagine being a team like NDSU trying to find a conference that fits....what would it be? The Mid American?
I don't get the FBS or D-II thing. I've seen no suggestion that the number of scholarships are proposed to be increased. Thus, virtually all recruits who get offered an FBS scholarship (and stipend) and want to play FBS are going to go to FBS--just like they do now. The number of FBS scholarships doesn't increase because there are additional stipends. Looking at football, who on the Griz would be at an FBS school if there were stipends? Will the Griz lose a recruit a year to Idaho because they have a $3500 stipend? If so, who cares? Would Jesse Sims go to Oregon St. because of the stipend? Jeez, the additional cost for him to get to and from school and for his family to attend games, would be more than $3500.
Again, if UM doesn't pay a stipend, then they need to go to D-II? That argument doesn't even make sense.
well, maybe you're right. i met a woman once who'd never been out of missoula county, and she seemed to be one of the happiest people i've ever met. for those of you who live in missoula, can't see beyond bozeman, have easy access to the games and are happy chasing a second-rate "national championship", it's a dawg's life you've got. be happy!
for those of us whose lives took us outside montana, we look back with great fondness on a state whose motto seems to be "oro, plata y nada risk," yet still wonder why it is montana can't join the big boy's club and be a part of the national conversation. why we can't be blue-chip montana instead 1-aa junk bonds montana. why shithole nowhere places like laramie, stillwater, lincoln, pullman and ames can have major programs, while missoula can't. why a school with better football attendance than several of the mountain west schools can't be a mountain west school. why in response to such a diatribe like this, there will be a flood of 683 reasons why we can't, instead of the will to say, "let's do it!" jerry jones said once, "the greatest risk in life is not taking risks." the montana athletic program is at a point it needs to take a risk, and move up. the greater risk? standing pat.
EverettGriz said:Like all successful programs, NDSU has no desire to stay FCS.
"There are some pretty intense conversations going on about what is going to happen to Division I football and how it's going to be compartmentalized. We're going to have to play close attention to that. It's a complicated business and I don't think we want to see ourselves diminished by any changes in Division I football, but right now we're also not seeing any reason or pressure to move up," Bresciani said.
EverettGriz said:Like all successful programs, NDSU has no desire to stay FCS.
havgrizfan said:The University of Wyoming is the ONLY four-year NCAA school in the entire state. That speaks VOLUMES as to why they can at least play with the big boys on a financial level. Oklahoma State has Boone Pickens essentially funding their entire football and men's basketball operations. So Citay, there's TWO HUGE advantages two of those schools you mentioned have over lil' ole Montana and Montana State. Your Nebraska example is also not very good. FIRST, for its entire existence, Husker football is the ONLY NCAA football playing school in the entire state as well. Secondly, the University of Nebraska might be in a crap town, but the enrollment on the main campus is nearly four times that of the University of Montana. That comparison is absolutely apples to oranges. I'm not against a move up, but geeeeeezzzzz, could you pick three worse examples?
Add on: Im also curious for those of you who are absolutely convinced Montana can immediately move to FBS and into the MWC with exactly where they are at financially right now. Do you guys think that when the Griz move up, the head coach should be paid what the rest of the coaches in the MWC make? And the assitants? And if so, where does that money come from? I really would like an answer to that question.
citay said:i do admit the transition would be costly, because we might not ge to share those tv revenues immediately,and the conference would want an entrance fee to make up for some of their diluted revenue streams. but once we got established, i believe the revenue would be there to support the higher level. and of course, it would be a huge bonanza for our basketball programs. i can see a sharp increase in baskeball attendance just based on the level of competition that would show up in missoula, versus the big sky. this ain't all about football.
finally, a few other benefits:
--enhanced recruiting opportunities for our coaches.
--a resumption of old rivalries with wyoming, colorado state, utah state and new mexico from the old skyline conference, and boise state and nevada from the big sky.
--the chance to travel to fun places to see the team play--las vegas, san diego, honolulu, san francisco, denver.
--increased exposure for the entire alumni base, not just the montana base, which at other schools translates into more alumni donations.
--a guarantee we could schedule top-tier teams non-conference, versus the liklihood the big schools will stop scheduling us if we stay in the big sky.
--finally, one ace up our sleeve: bob stitt. i have yet to see our team play a down, but i can tell you this already: his style is made for television. that is, if we're in a conference that's on television.
GrizPony said:I also agree that it is clear we are moving in that direction. I can't wait to play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and never have another playoff game in our stadium again. Boise is awesome and easy to get to in December.
citay said:PlayerRep said:BadlandsGrizFan said:Well sadly I think that's the direction that any college football programs that don't want to basically be D2 are going. But honestly if this is the case Montana is a lot luckier than most schools in that we have the perfect Conference to step into like the Mountain West. Geographically, facility wise, fan support, and financially the UM would fit right in with those schools. So I guess were lucky for that. Could you imagine being a team like NDSU trying to find a conference that fits....what would it be? The Mid American?
I don't get the FBS or D-II thing. I've seen no suggestion that the number of scholarships are proposed to be increased. Thus, virtually all recruits who get offered an FBS scholarship (and stipend) and want to play FBS are going to go to FBS--just like they do now. The number of FBS scholarships doesn't increase because there are additional stipends. Looking at football, who on the Griz would be at an FBS school if there were stipends? Will the Griz lose a recruit a year to Idaho because they have a $3500 stipend? If so, who cares? Would Jesse Sims go to Oregon St. because of the stipend? Jeez, the additional cost for him to get to and from school and for his family to attend games, would be more than $3500.
Again, if UM doesn't pay a stipend, then they need to go to D-II? That argument doesn't even make sense.
well, maybe you're right. i met a woman once who'd never been out of missoula county, and she seemed to be one of the happiest people i've ever met. for those of you who live in missoula, can't see beyond bozeman, have easy access to the games and are happy chasing a second-rate "national championship", it's a dawg's life you've got. be happy!
for those of us whose lives took us outside montana, we look back with great fondness on a state whose motto seems to be "oro, plata y nada risk," yet still wonder why it is montana can't join the big boy's club and be a part of the national conversation. why we can't be blue-chip montana instead 1-aa junk bonds montana. why shithole nowhere places like laramie, stillwater, lincoln, pullman and ames can have major programs, while missoula can't. why a school with better football attendance than several of the mountain west schools can't be a mountain west school. why in response to such a diatribe like this, there will be a flood of 683 reasons why we can't, instead of the will to say, "let's do it!" jerry jones said once, "the greatest risk in life is not taking risks." the montana athletic program is at a point it needs to take a risk, and move up. the greater risk? standing pat.
grizcountry420 said:GrizPony said:I also agree that it is clear we are moving in that direction. I can't wait to play in the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl and never have another playoff game in our stadium again. Boise is awesome and easy to get to in December.
Yeah, and playing teams like Northern Colorado and Sact St are any better?
havgrizfan said:The University of Wyoming is the ONLY four-year NCAA school in the entire state. That speaks VOLUMES as to why they can at least play with the big boys on a financial level. Oklahoma State has Boone Pickens essentially funding their entire football and men's basketball operations. So Citay, there's TWO HUGE advantages two of those schools you mentioned have over lil' ole Montana and Montana State. Your Nebraska example is also not very good. FIRST, for its entire existence, Husker football is the ONLY NCAA football playing school in the entire state as well. Secondly, the University of Nebraska might be in a crap town, but the enrollment on the main campus is nearly four times that of the University of Montana. That comparison is absolutely apples to oranges. I'm not against a move up, but geeeeeezzzzz, could you pick three worse examples?
Add on: Im also curious for those of you who are absolutely convinced Montana can immediately move to FBS and into the MWC with exactly where they are at financially right now. Do you guys think that when the Griz move up, the head coach should be paid what the rest of the coaches in the MWC make? And the assitants? And if so, where does that money come from? I really would like an answer to that question.