IdaGriz01 said:An accurate assessment, by and large. From my "geezer" perspective, the problem with professional journalism (which I have studied extensively, as a writer but an outsider) all took off when Woodward and Bernstein (basically) brought down President Nixon (whose overall accomplishments, will, I think, be judged more positively by history than the media). Journalists have always been infatuated with scoring the next big scoop. For a mundane example, think of the hero in the movie It Happened One Night. His motive changed, but they started when he realized he had a “scoop” about a huge celebrity of the day.cmtgrizzly said:Would like for the Kaiman to continue to be a campus entity and they certainly they dont need to kiss anyone's ass. They do have to remember that even for them there are repercussions for behavior and actions. There is certainly an agenda here led by or at least endorsed by the faculty. They look to be trying to make a point and purposely induce a confrontation which I assume they think they can win. Maybe they are all tenured and feel they can kind of get away with whatever they want. Whether they believe it or not the football program is an educational program as well. Many of these players want to go on to be professional athletes and coaches which also require education learned while playing football. Many are good students and plan to pursue other careers when their football career is over. The Kaiman is no more honorable of an endeavor than is playing football. If it comes down to football or the Kaiman I think the Kaiman will lose out. I really hope they arent trying to push it to that point.
But ever since W&B, a lot of journalists have been looking even harder than ever for the next scandal (real or manufactured) that will plaster their name in the headlines -- which will, basically, make them “part of the news.” A lot of “reportage” today belongs on what used to the the Editorial page. And, it seems to me, journalism schools have encouraged that attitude.
snap said:All the kvetching by local media (Kaimin, Missoulian) really makes you wonder. Who's the dean of the j-school and what might his or her agenda be? Hmm.
dupuyer griz said:Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS
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IdaGriz01 said:An accurate assessment, by and large. From my "geezer" perspective, the problem with professional journalism (which I have studied extensively, as a writer but an outsider) all took off when Woodward and Bernstein (basically) brought down President Nixon (whose overall accomplishments, will, I think, be judged more positively by history than the media). Journalists have always been infatuated with scoring the next big scoop. For a mundane example, think of the hero in the movie It Happened One Night. His motive changed, but they started when he realized he had a “scoop” about a huge celebrity of the day.cmtgrizzly said:Would like for the Kaiman to continue to be a campus entity and they certainly they dont need to kiss anyone's ass. They do have to remember that even for them there are repercussions for behavior and actions. There is certainly an agenda here led by or at least endorsed by the faculty. They look to be trying to make a point and purposely induce a confrontation which I assume they think they can win. Maybe they are all tenured and feel they can kind of get away with whatever they want. Whether they believe it or not the football program is an educational program as well. Many of these players want to go on to be professional athletes and coaches which also require education learned while playing football. Many are good students and plan to pursue other careers when their football career is over. The Kaiman is no more honorable of an endeavor than is playing football. If it comes down to football or the Kaiman I think the Kaiman will lose out. I really hope they arent trying to push it to that point.
But ever since W&B, a lot of journalists have been looking even harder than ever for the next scandal (real or manufactured) that will plaster their name in the headlines -- which will, basically, make them “part of the news.” A lot of “reportage” today belongs on what used to the the Editorial page. And, it seems to me, journalism schools have encouraged that attitude.
RobGriz said:dupuyer griz said:Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS
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dupuyer griz said:Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS
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Nope, not a single football team in Ca anywhere you look...HAHAHAHAA :roll:RobGriz said:signedbewildered said:Ursus1 said:As an alum of UM, I am often have been disappointed in the Kaimin the last few years. Often do far more to hurt the University, than to help it.
This isn't the football loving town it used to be.
Nope. It’s full of crossbred California liberalism. Where feelings are more important than facts.
grizghost said:RobGriz said:dupuyer griz said:Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS
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..be careful most millennials prefer socialism and lean to be democrat...maybe there's not much of
a difference between the two anymore!
snap said:All the kvetching by local media (Kaimin, Missoulian) really makes you wonder. Who's the dean of the j-school and what might his or her agenda be? Hmm.
RobGriz said:grizghost said:RobGriz said:dupuyer griz said:Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS
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..be careful most millennials prefer socialism and lean to be democrat...maybe there's not much of
a difference between the two anymore!
Truthfully? I’ve got no problem with Democrats. My problem is with the “progressive” left. And I think there is a HUGE difference. Just as I, as a conservative, find an incredible gap between myself and the “alt right”.
CDAGRIZ said:There is really nothing to say about this article.
Go Griz!
Agree. Nobody should care at this point. Hauck was hired in spite of the hysteria. Run a good program, win a few more games, and treat reporters with respect (whether they deserve it or not), then everything will eventually even out and take care of itself.CDAGRIZ said:There is really nothing to say about this article.
Go Griz!
goatcreekgriz said:Agree. Nobody should care at this point. Hauck was hired in spite of the hysteria. Run a good program, win a few more games, and treat reporters with respect (whether they deserve it or not), then everything will eventually even out and take care of itself.CDAGRIZ said:There is really nothing to say about this article.
Go Griz!
bearister said:goatcreekgriz said:Agree. Nobody should care at this point. Hauck was hired in spite of the hysteria. Run a good program, win a few more games, and treat reporters with respect (whether they deserve it or not), then everything will eventually even out and take care of itself.CDAGRIZ said:There is really nothing to say about this article.
Go Griz!
Reminds me of a favorite saying of an old politician friend of mine: "Don't pick a fight with folks who buy ink by the barrel."
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