grizophile
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kemajic said:
And the TOT..........Trail of Tears
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MSU makes list of biggest college/degree $ wastes
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And the TOT..........Trail of Tears
CV Griz Fan
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statler & waldorf said:
Unfortunately, both of these comments are true. But really it's about money and making good choices with your money. The "Great Recession" has taught us all something or at least it should have. People's finances are important and you have to live within your means. Some are now questioning the value of a college education because of the high debt loads incurred. It is a sad state of affairs when an education's value is questioned. With the help of their parents, all students need to make good solid decisions about their futures.
wbtfg
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wbtfg said:
A couple other points to mention are that postsecondary education and living expenses are so high in some states that it's actually cheaper for them to pay out of state fees in Montana than to stay in their home state.
Also, many students come to MSU thinking their going to be an engineer, nurse, architect, doctor, film producer, and realize how grueling those programs are and change majors to something a little less demanding like Business or Education.....no offense to business or education majors, but those programs just aren't as intense as some of the others.
CV Griz Fan
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'68griz said:
I don't necessarily think that education is a " bull shit " major. I think that it's an under paid major. So why rack up a lot of student loan debt if you don't have to. Teaching is a noble profession. It's just not always a high paying profession. Racking up thousands of dollars in out of state student loan debt doesn't seem like a great decision to me when you don't start out your career with a great salary. Heck, many MDs are struggling to pay off student loans. Unless you're a high pain surgeon or specialist now, it's difficult to make a career in medicine work. Taking on debt is a decision that nobody should take lightly. Especially young college students.
'68griz said:
That is definitely the truth. Obviously just my opinion, but I think so many variables play in that it's tough to call the same major bullshit for everyone who pursues it.
In my above comment, I was thinking of Person A, who thinks paying full boat tuition for a terminal B.S. in say, Sociology, will pay off. In that scenario, the value of that degree is bullshit. I think this scenario is what the study cited in original post sought to quantify.
If, however, Person B has some weird passion for Sociology without expectations of financial payoff, or wants to pursue Sociology beyond the undergraduate level, or simply wants to pursue some sort of graduate school, the value of the same B.S. in Sociology is likely not bullshit.
That's a very simplistic analysis, of course, but maybe you see what I'm getting at.
CV Griz Fan said:
Oh, I hope you don't think I meant that a degree in education is bullshit in all cases. I thought you were talking about the value of "education" in general. Because higher education costs so much, I think it is short-sighted not to consider the quantitative payoff of one's plan, that's all.
CV Griz Fan
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I get your point CDA. We're on the same page of spending education dollars wisely.
CDAGRIZ said:
I get your point CDA. We're on the same page of spending education dollars wisely.
Funny that this thread pops up, but how many bullshit majors does UM have that turn out a non-employable work force?
law schoolMrTitleist said:
SaskGriz said:
Yeah. Call me old-fashioned, but it would be pretty easy to turn college campuses into vocational training programs for Proctor & Gamble. I always thought it was a good thing for people to learn how to think critically. That skill should be valuable in just about any occupation except maybe the military.
I think college graduates should be upset with the inability to find a job because let's be honest here... Regardless of your major the information learned in college is often irrelevant. I think most recent grads should be bitching about not being able to find work regardless of their field because the lack of jobs in the country is a HUGE problem and the people suffering the most are recent college graduates... Regardless of major.
Potomac Griz
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wbtfg said:
According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (Link is here) in February of 2014 here were the unemployment rates:
For 25 years and older (total rate for this group was 5.5%)
Less than a high school diploma: 9.8%
High school graduate, no college: 6.4%
Some college or associate degree: 6.2%
Bachelor's degree and higher: 3.4%
That's down a bit from Feb of 2013 in which the rates were 6.3% overall for 25+ and:
Less than a high school diploma: 11.2%
High school graduate, no college: 7.9%
Some college or associate degree: 6.7%
Bachelor's degree and higher: 3.9%
