Question about why the Griz are ranked in the top 15

[AZGrizFan]

History, we should not have been in the top 15 at any time this year.

Name the 15 teams that are better then us and why. I want statistical breakdowns, scheduel comparisons, and any other factors that may be included in deciding a top 15 team. You have been challenged, now go!

Here are 29 teams that are better. They use the statistics, can't break it down
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

Rob you are wasting your time these guys are blind homers and logic hasn't been around here for years. You are correct on the informartion you prosted, it is hard to argue with math.

Actually it's very easy to argue with math. There's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics. Again, if statistics were perfect, then we'd ALWAYS know who was going to win a given game. Alas, other factors play into it that can't be accounted for by mathmatical models.

 

[Big G]

Az so eager to be the cool kid has now resorted to posting scores against teams like central washington, and other d2 schools to prove a point. If he can't look in the mirror and see that glaring back at him there is no way he will ever turn it around.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Villanova Wildcats
3 New Hampshire Wildcats
4 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5 Illinois State Redbirds
6 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7 Eastern Washington Eagles
8 Richmond Spiders
9 Youngstown State Penguins
10 Montana State Bobcats
11 Fordham Rams
12 McNeese State Cowboys
13 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
14 Indiana State Sycamores
15 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17 Chattanooga Mocs
18 Liberty Flames

We ROLL 11, 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18. Probably beat 12 (depending on which McNeese and which Montana teams show up) and 16 is probably a tossup.

The number #65 Scoring offense doesn't ROLL anybody. The Griz couldn't even ROLL UND.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Villanova Wildcats
3 New Hampshire Wildcats
4 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5 Illinois State Redbirds
6 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7 Eastern Washington Eagles
8 Richmond Spiders
9 Youngstown State Penguins
10 Montana State Bobcats
11 Fordham Rams
12 McNeese State Cowboys
13 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
14 Indiana State Sycamores
15 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17 Chattanooga Mocs
18 Liberty Flames

We ROLL 11, 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18. Probably beat 12 (depending on which McNeese and which Montana teams show up) and 16 is probably a tossup.

We don't roll anyone anymore. It is funny you of all people are the leading authority on Fordham football and watching all those Eastern kentucky football games that you have this year tells you all you need to know. ha hah a ha haha When it comes to your posts do not give up your day job. :roll:

30-6
55-17
47-14
55-27
42-7
42-6
38-13
42-28
48-14

ALL scores of games we've won in the past 15 months.

Has this season been going on for 15 months? Please tell me you are not considering the 42-28 UCDavis game as Rolling. UC Davis had the ball down 7 with 3:11 left in the game, an opportunity to tie or win. That is closer to a loss than them getting rolled.

 

[Big G]

It is all he has to cling to

 

[ranco]

Az so eager to be the cool kid has now resorted to posting scores against teams like central washington, and other d2 schools to prove a point. If he can't look in the mirror and see that glaring back at him there is no way he will ever turn it around.

You actually might really be a farmer, they bitch about everything. Too much rain, too little rain, my crops were puny this year, my crops were huge this year but the prices suck, I need more government subsidies.... on and on and on.

 

[ranco]

Az so eager to be the cool kid has now resorted to posting scores against teams like central washington, and other d2 schools to prove a point. If he can't look in the mirror and see that glaring back at him there is no way he will ever turn it around.

You actually might really be a farmer, they bitch about everything. Too much rain, too little rain, my crops were puny this year, my crops were huge this year but the prices suck, I need more government subsidies.... on and on and on.

 

[AZGrizFan]

We ROLL 11, 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18. Probably beat 12 (depending on which McNeese and which Montana teams show up) and 16 is probably a tossup.

We don't roll anyone anymore. It is funny you of all people are the leading authority on Fordham football and watching all those Eastern kentucky football games that you have this year tells you all you need to know. ha hah a ha haha When it comes to your posts do not give up your day job. :roll:

30-6
55-17
47-14
55-27
42-7
42-6
38-13
42-28
48-14

ALL scores of games we've won in the past 15 months.

Has this season been going on for 15 months? Please tell me you are not considering the 42-28 UCDavis game as Rolling. UC Davis had the ball down 7 with 3:11 left in the game, an opportunity to tie or win. That is closer to a loss than them getting rolled.

He's the one who said we don't roll ANYONE any more. I just enjoy proving his dumbass wrong at every turn.

And we had the ball on the 4 yard line against NDSU to get to 19-17 with 5 minutes to go yet you have said repeatedly we got rolled in THAT game, so make up your fucking mind.

 

[ordigger]

History, we should not have been in the top 15 at any time this year.

Name the 15 teams that are better then us and why. I want statistical breakdowns, scheduel comparisons, and any other factors that may be included in deciding a top 15 team. You have been challenged, now go!

Here are 29 teams that are better. They use the statistics, can't break it down
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

Useless data for the simple fact that all statistics are biased. Sound shocking? Not really, because not all schedules are equal....heck not even in the Big Sky. At one time all Big Sky teams played each other, but now with unbalanced scheduling that footprint is not even the same.

Never put to much faith in computer rankings. And I'm not saying the Griz are a top 15 team, I'm only saying that Massey is flawed as are all computer rankings. The only ranking that matters is who wins that last game of the year....and how many times in how many sports is it not even the best team wins, but the hottest team.

Statistics are nice to look at though.

 

[AZGrizFan]

History, we should not have been in the top 15 at any time this year.

Name the 15 teams that are better then us and why. I want statistical breakdowns, scheduel comparisons, and any other factors that may be included in deciding a top 15 team. You have been challenged, now go!

Here are 29 teams that are better. They use the statistics, can't break it down
http://www.masseyratings.com/cf/compare1aa.htm

Useless data for the simple fact that all statistics are biased. Sound shocking? Not really, because not all schedules are equal....heck not even in the Big Sky. At one time all Big Sky teams played each other, but now with unbalanced scheduling that footprint is not even the same.

Never put to much faith in computer rankings. And I'm not saying the Griz are a top 15 team, I'm only saying that Massey is flawed as are all computer rankings. The only ranking that matters is who wins that last game of the year....and how many times in how many sports is it not even the best team wins, but the hottest team.

Statistics are nice to look at though.

:lol: :lol: :clap:

 

[indian-outlaw]

1 North Dakota State Bison
2 Villanova Wildcats
3 New Hampshire Wildcats
4 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers
5 Illinois State Redbirds
6 Jacksonville State Gamecocks
7 Eastern Washington Eagles
8 Richmond Spiders
9 Youngstown State Penguins
10 Montana State Bobcats
11 Fordham Rams
12 McNeese State Cowboys
13 Eastern Kentucky Colonels
14 Indiana State Sycamores
15 Southeastern Louisiana Lions
16 South Dakota State Jackrabbits
17 Chattanooga Mocs
18 Liberty Flames

We ROLL 11, 13, 14, 15, 17 and 18. Probably beat 12 (depending on which McNeese and which Montana teams show up) and 16 is probably a tossup.

Uh, we wouldn't roll 14. Sorry buddy it just wouldn't happen.

 

[qwerty15ster]

The Griz are ranked in the top 15 because you are better than the teams ranked 15 or worse, simple as that.

The Griz have a strong history which tends to bode well for early season rankings so you won't drop too far because you start higher, but in reality, the Griz are a top 15 team.

The fact that so many on hear think the sky is falling is crazy. You guys won't lose to Sac at home and things are going to be fine. You won't lose to SUU on the road either. EWU probably won't have Adams against you and you get the Cats at home, things are going to be fine for the Griz.

One loss, to a good Cal Poly team on the road, and everything goes to hell...You lost to an FBS team on the road, the #1 ranked FCS team on the road, and a Cal Poly team on the road who played you as if it was their super bowl.

As much as I hate to say it, things will be fine in Griz land....

The voice of reason

Wow. I can't believe an EWU fan is one of the most reasonable voices on this subject. Well done sir.

 

[IdaGriz01]

I think where the Griz are currently ranked probably reflects pretty well where they should be. Because of the team's flaws -- inexperienced OL, key players injured, etc. -- I was never comfortable with a ranking in the top ten.

However, IMO, those who want to dump on the Griz as totally not deserving of their current ranking focus too much on those flaws. Many seem to think, somehow, that other (unspecified) teams around the country have a world of better talent, never make mistakes or have a bad game, etc. etc. -- a bunch of "wonder teams."

Well, having watched a lot of other FCS games this year ... I'm here to tell you, that "just ain't so." (With our sports package on DirecTV, we usually manage to watch at least parts of 5-8 FCS games every weekend.) There are some really good teams out there, with some very fine talent ... but we have yet to see a "wonder team."

 

[first11]

A top 15 only on past history or a weak assessment of teams in fcs...likely both

Nice to have some degree of respect but that is about the size of it, polls only that!

 

[Pin2Win]

Do you think it is because of our history or do you actually believe we are a top 15 team this year? I know a lot of you will say that these rankings don't really mean anything but I am curious as to what others think in regards as to why we are still ranked in the top 15. We are 5-3. Our 5 wins are against teams with losing records, they are a combined 12-27. Our three losses are to two teams with winning records and Wyoming who has a losing record at the FBS level. Those three teams have a combined record of 16-8 (5 of those losses are Wyoming). if you take Wyoming out since they are FBS, Cal Poly and Ndsu have a combined record of 13-3. One of our wins was against C Washington, DII. Take that one out and the teams we have beaten are a combined 8-23. The Griz do not have a single "good" win yet this year.

Beating Sac State this weekend will be an ok win but not a "good" win. Southern Utah has only won 2 games this year but they have had a brutal schedule with 2 FBS teams and 3 ranked FCS teams. SUU would be a fairly "good" win and we all know that wins against EWU and MSU would be considered "great" wins.

I think that the Griz are only ranked in the top 15 because of our history. They really haven't shown that they deserve to be ranked that high, yet, in my opinion. Hoping they can pull out at least 3 wins in the next four weeks or no December football for the Griz.

Everything starts with the preseason ranking, like it or not. So history goes into every ranking. It makes sense that the Griz were ranked high in the preseason. Until last weekend, the Griz didn't give voters any reason to drop them. Losses against #1 and an FBS school are not reasons to drop a team very far. Even the loss to Cal Poly is somewhat palatable in a voter's mind. Cal Poly is generally a good, winning football program and in the playoffs fairly consistently.

The preseason ranking makes sense. Seeded in the playoffs last year. Payton nominee at QB, Buchannon nominee DE, All conference WR's, RB's, etc. The o-lines injuries/issues had not occurred yet. Add a strong tradition of winning and there ya go.

Two reasons the voters had to drop the Griz before the loss.
1. A blocked field goal in the last minute, then kicking the game winning field in the final seconds against UND.
2. UCDavis has the ball with 3:11 left in the game down by 7, with a chance to win or tie. UCDavis lost by 40 to the Cats.

That is a trend of squeaking by two low end teams in the BSC. Plenty of reason for anyone to lower them, when other teams were playing better.

Do you think a voter sitting in any other state outside of the Big Sky footprint, and even within the footprint for that matter, is actually looking at that much detail of every game? The Griz won those games, right? Arguing about almost-wins and almost-losses is beyond pointless. Anybody that has been around and knows something about football realizes that each game takes on a personality of its own. Bad teams play good games, good teams have bad games. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Outside of Cal Poly, the Griz have won all of the games they should have won (in the voter's eyes).

 

[jcu27]

Do you think it is because of our history or do you actually believe we are a top 15 team this year? I know a lot of you will say that these rankings don't really mean anything but I am curious as to what others think in regards as to why we are still ranked in the top 15. We are 5-3. Our 5 wins are against teams with losing records, they are a combined 12-27. Our three losses are to two teams with winning records and Wyoming who has a losing record at the FBS level. Those three teams have a combined record of 16-8 (5 of those losses are Wyoming). if you take Wyoming out since they are FBS, Cal Poly and Ndsu have a combined record of 13-3. One of our wins was against C Washington, DII. Take that one out and the teams we have beaten are a combined 8-23. The Griz do not have a single "good" win yet this year.

Beating Sac State this weekend will be an ok win but not a "good" win. Southern Utah has only won 2 games this year but they have had a brutal schedule with 2 FBS teams and 3 ranked FCS teams. SUU would be a fairly "good" win and we all know that wins against EWU and MSU would be considered "great" wins.

I think that the Griz are only ranked in the top 15 because of our history. They really haven't shown that they deserve to be ranked that high, yet, in my opinion. Hoping they can pull out at least 3 wins in the next four weeks or no December football for the Griz.

Everything starts with the preseason ranking, like it or not. So history goes into every ranking. It makes sense that the Griz were ranked high in the preseason. Until last weekend, the Griz didn't give voters any reason to drop them. Losses against #1 and an FBS school are not reasons to drop a team very far. Even the loss to Cal Poly is somewhat palatable in a voter's mind. Cal Poly is generally a good, winning football program and in the playoffs fairly consistently.

The preseason ranking makes sense. Seeded in the playoffs last year. Payton nominee at QB, Buchannon nominee DE, All conference WR's, RB's, etc. The o-lines injuries/issues had not occurred yet. Add a strong tradition of winning and there ya go.

Two reasons the voters had to drop the Griz before the loss.
1. A blocked field goal in the last minute, then kicking the game winning field in the final seconds against UND.
2. UCDavis has the ball with 3:11 left in the game down by 7, with a chance to win or tie. UCDavis lost by 40 to the Cats.

That is a trend of squeaking by two low end teams in the BSC. Plenty of reason for anyone to lower them, when other teams were playing better.

Do you think a voter sitting in any other state outside of the Big Sky footprint, and even within the footprint for that matter, is actually looking at that much detail of every game? The Griz won those games, right? Arguing about almost-wins and almost-losses is beyond pointless. Anybody that has been around and knows something about football realizes that each game takes on a personality of its own. Bad teams play good games, good teams have bad games. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Outside of Cal Poly, the Griz have won all of the games they should have won (in the voter's eyes).

He's a cat fan. They can't comprehend logic.

 

[Pin2Win]

Everything starts with the preseason ranking, like it or not. So history goes into every ranking. It makes sense that the Griz were ranked high in the preseason. Until last weekend, the Griz didn't give voters any reason to drop them. Losses against #1 and an FBS school are not reasons to drop a team very far. Even the loss to Cal Poly is somewhat palatable in a voter's mind. Cal Poly is generally a good, winning football program and in the playoffs fairly consistently.

The preseason ranking makes sense. Seeded in the playoffs last year. Payton nominee at QB, Buchannon nominee DE, All conference WR's, RB's, etc. The o-lines injuries/issues had not occurred yet. Add a strong tradition of winning and there ya go.

Two reasons the voters had to drop the Griz before the loss.
1. A blocked field goal in the last minute, then kicking the game winning field in the final seconds against UND.
2. UCDavis has the ball with 3:11 left in the game down by 7, with a chance to win or tie. UCDavis lost by 40 to the Cats.

That is a trend of squeaking by two low end teams in the BSC. Plenty of reason for anyone to lower them, when other teams were playing better.

Do you think a voter sitting in any other state outside of the Big Sky footprint, and even within the footprint for that matter, is actually looking at that much detail of every game? The Griz won those games, right? Arguing about almost-wins and almost-losses is beyond pointless. Anybody that has been around and knows something about football realizes that each game takes on a personality of its own. Bad teams play good games, good teams have bad games. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Outside of Cal Poly, the Griz have won all of the games they should have won (in the voter's eyes).

He's a cat fan. They can't comprehend logic.

Excuse me? Who's they? I'm a Cat fan justifying why voters have the Griz ranked as high as they do and I can't comprehend logic? Did you say that just to be an ass or do you have something to add to a LOGICAL discussion?

 

[monte is a character]

The Griz are ranked in the top 15 because you are better than the teams ranked 15 or worse, simple as that.

The Griz have a strong history which tends to bode well for early season rankings so you won't drop too far because you start higher, but in reality, the Griz are a top 15 team.

The fact that so many on hear think the sky is falling is crazy. You guys won't lose to Sac at home and things are going to be fine. You won't lose to SUU on the road either. EWU probably won't have Adams against you and you get the Cats at home, things are going to be fine for the Griz.

One loss, to a good Cal Poly team on the road, and everything goes to hell...You lost to an FBS team on the road, the #1 ranked FCS team on the road, and a Cal Poly team on the road who played you as if it was their super bowl.

As much as I hate to say it, things will be fine in Griz land....

The voice of reason

And yours is the voice of treason. You are a hack. Don't try to discuss the game of football, because credibility continues to elude you. :stupid:

 

[monte is a character]

Do you think it is because of our history or do you actually believe we are a top 15 team this year? I know a lot of you will say that these rankings don't really mean anything but I am curious as to what others think in regards as to why we are still ranked in the top 15. We are 5-3. Our 5 wins are against teams with losing records, they are a combined 12-27. Our three losses are to two teams with winning records and Wyoming who has a losing record at the FBS level. Those three teams have a combined record of 16-8 (5 of those losses are Wyoming). if you take Wyoming out since they are FBS, Cal Poly and Ndsu have a combined record of 13-3. One of our wins was against C Washington, DII. Take that one out and the teams we have beaten are a combined 8-23. The Griz do not have a single "good" win yet this year.

Beating Sac State this weekend will be an ok win but not a "good" win. Southern Utah has only won 2 games this year but they have had a brutal schedule with 2 FBS teams and 3 ranked FCS teams. SUU would be a fairly "good" win and we all know that wins against EWU and MSU would be considered "great" wins.

I think that the Griz are only ranked in the top 15 because of our history. They really haven't shown that they deserve to be ranked that high, yet, in my opinion. Hoping they can pull out at least 3 wins in the next four weeks or no December football for the Griz.

The FCS is weaker this year than it has ever been. It has been watered down over the past 10 years by so many of the best programs moving up to FBS football. This makes it even more troubling about how far our program has declined. No, we are not a top 15 team, the Kool-Aid drinkers will see because of one of two reasons:

1) We lose too many more games to even make the playoffs; or
2) We get another big first-round game and get pummeled once again just like last year.

Until this coaching staff is replaced, things will not get better.

 

[Robsnotes4u]

Do you think it is because of our history or do you actually believe we are a top 15 team this year? I know a lot of you will say that these rankings don't really mean anything but I am curious as to what others think in regards as to why we are still ranked in the top 15. We are 5-3. Our 5 wins are against teams with losing records, they are a combined 12-27. Our three losses are to two teams with winning records and Wyoming who has a losing record at the FBS level. Those three teams have a combined record of 16-8 (5 of those losses are Wyoming). if you take Wyoming out since they are FBS, Cal Poly and Ndsu have a combined record of 13-3. One of our wins was against C Washington, DII. Take that one out and the teams we have beaten are a combined 8-23. The Griz do not have a single "good" win yet this year.

Beating Sac State this weekend will be an ok win but not a "good" win. Southern Utah has only won 2 games this year but they have had a brutal schedule with 2 FBS teams and 3 ranked FCS teams. SUU would be a fairly "good" win and we all know that wins against EWU and MSU would be considered "great" wins.

I think that the Griz are only ranked in the top 15 because of our history. They really haven't shown that they deserve to be ranked that high, yet, in my opinion. Hoping they can pull out at least 3 wins in the next four weeks or no December football for the Griz.

Everything starts with the preseason ranking, like it or not. So history goes into every ranking. It makes sense that the Griz were ranked high in the preseason. Until last weekend, the Griz didn't give voters any reason to drop them. Losses against #1 and an FBS school are not reasons to drop a team very far. Even the loss to Cal Poly is somewhat palatable in a voter's mind. Cal Poly is generally a good, winning football program and in the playoffs fairly consistently.

The preseason ranking makes sense. Seeded in the playoffs last year. Payton nominee at QB, Buchannon nominee DE, All conference WR's, RB's, etc. The o-lines injuries/issues had not occurred yet. Add a strong tradition of winning and there ya go.

Two reasons the voters had to drop the Griz before the loss.
1. A blocked field goal in the last minute, then kicking the game winning field in the final seconds against UND.
2. UCDavis has the ball with 3:11 left in the game down by 7, with a chance to win or tie. UCDavis lost by 40 to the Cats.

That is a trend of squeaking by two low end teams in the BSC. Plenty of reason for anyone to lower them, when other teams were playing better.

Do you think a voter sitting in any other state outside of the Big Sky footprint, and even within the footprint for that matter, is actually looking at that much detail of every game? The Griz won those games, right? Arguing about almost-wins and almost-losses is beyond pointless. Anybody that has been around and knows something about football realizes that each game takes on a personality of its own. Bad teams play good games, good teams have bad games. A win is a win, a loss is a loss. Outside of Cal Poly, the Griz have won all of the games they should have won (in the voter's eyes).

Thank you for proving my point. That is the reason the Massey Composite makes sense. A voter cannot watch all the games, compare everything, and then vote in one day. How many games do you watch a week?