Lady Griz Recruiting

[maroonandsilver]

I'm older than you by at least a couple years , and also a Jefferson Warrior. My class had Jim Quinn, with Larry Huggins a year behind, so were pretty good. "Fight Maroon and White, Fight with all your might!"

I DO remember some very good athletes a couple years ahead of me at Jefferson. One was a guy named Jerry Simonson? (not sure of spelling), who was an all state football player for the Spartans. Also Orville Okken, and especially a guy named Jim Lutz who found the guy who'd stolen my new bike and "persuaded" him to personally return it to me with a teary verbal apology.

Played Little League with Jerry Simonson and Jim Lutz's little brother Dennis. Jerry was a stud athlete at MCHS and was a catcher at Arizona State.

 

[UMFan12]

Yes, yes you did. Straight from the RaeQuan Battle thread.
“ Her defense is fine, especially for modern-day help defenses.”
Who’s the liar?

You are the liar. I said her defense was fine, especially with Modern-day help defenses. Straight from one of her coaches, by the way. I did not say this: "Claimed it was okay players like Momberg get beat a lot because of “modern help defense”. I didn't say Momberg got beat. I didn't say it was okay to get beat.

It's now been a month since the 6 players were cut. Without any prompting from me about Momberg, you are still hammering her and making up stuff. What's your obsession with her? Because she's Native American, I believe. When has any player who left UM athletics gotten hammered, for a month after they departed, by one poster (you) on egriz. Answer: Never. As I have, you are a never-played-the-gamer who thinks he has something to say because he looks at the internet. You are a loser.

My assumption is that you have never seen her play a game.

The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession. There were 5 other girls cut, including some who were better than her, yet you constantly brought her up. It makes no sense. Sure, you’d have an argument if she was the best of the bunch. But she wasn’t. You also acknowledge you said she was fine on defense because of “modern day help defenses”, yet say you never claimed it was okay to be beat off the dribble. You do realize that’s her main problem defensively correct? I don’t have any problem with an ambitious coach coming in, cutting 6 non factors to replace with his own recruits and try to rebuild this thing as quickly as possible. And, if you were a true Griz fan, you wouldn’t either.

 

[PlayerRep]

You are the liar. I said her defense was fine, especially with Modern-day help defenses. Straight from one of her coaches, by the way. I did not say this: "Claimed it was okay players like Momberg get beat a lot because of “modern help defense”. I didn't say Momberg got beat. I didn't say it was okay to get beat.

It's now been a month since the 6 players were cut. Without any prompting from me about Momberg, you are still hammering her and making up stuff. What's your obsession with her? Because she's Native American, I believe. When has any player who left UM athletics gotten hammered, for a month after they departed, by one poster (you) on egriz. Answer: Never. As I have, you are a never-played-the-gamer who thinks he has something to say because he looks at the internet. You are a loser.

My assumption is that you have never seen her play a game.

The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession. There were 5 other girls cut, including some who were better than her, yet you constantly brought her up. It makes no sense. Sure, you’d have an argument if she was the best of the bunch. But she wasn’t. You also acknowledge you said she was fine on defense because of “modern day help defenses”, yet say you never claimed it was okay to be beat off the dribble. You do realize that’s her main problem defensively correct? I don’t have any problem with an ambitious coach coming in, cutting 6 non factors to replace with his own recruits and try to rebuild this thing as quickly as possible. And, if you were a true Griz fan, you wouldn’t either.

BS. You are prejudice against Native Americans. You did the same thing with the MSU Native American transfer. I grew up in MT, and have learned to almost smell prejudice from your types. There's alot of that in MT. I know Momberg's family, have followed her career, and was hoping she would be the next good NA to play for the LG. That's not an obsession. You have the obsession. You don't know her, have never seen her play, have not talked to her coaches, and yet you keep making up stuff and trashing her (even when she's been gone for a month). You keep bringing up Momberg, even when I haven't. Her defense was fine. You realize that you are wrong, and don't know what you are talking, right? A racist and a loser. You've got it all. Stop trashing Native Americans.

 

[Mousegriz]

I've never held Lady Griz season tickets and probably only make 2 - 3 of their games a year. This last season I ended up watching 8 to 10 of the games on Pluto. I'm like UM 12 and many others. Despite watching quite a few games of a middle of the pack BSC women's basketball team that Momberg was a member of I've never seen Momberg play either.

:thumb:

 

[maroonandsilver]

The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession. There were 5 other girls cut, including some who were better than her, yet you constantly brought her up. It makes no sense. Sure, you’d have an argument if she was the best of the bunch. But she wasn’t. You also acknowledge you said she was fine on defense because of “modern day help defenses”, yet say you never claimed it was okay to be beat off the dribble. You do realize that’s her main problem defensively correct? I don’t have any problem with an ambitious coach coming in, cutting 6 non factors to replace with his own recruits and try to rebuild this thing as quickly as possible. And, if you were a true Griz fan, you wouldn’t either.

BS. You are prejudice against Native Americans. You did the same thing with the MSU Native American transfer. I grew up in MT, and have learned to almost smell prejudice from your types. There's alot of that in MT. I know Momberg's family, have followed her career, and was hoping she would be the next good NA to play for the LG. That's not an obsession. You have the obsession. You don't know her, have never seen her play, have not talked to her coaches, and yet you keep making up stuff and trashing her (even when she's been gone for a month). You keep bringing up Momberg, even when I haven't. Her defense was fine. You realize that you are wrong, and don't know what you are talking, right? A racist and a loser. You've got it all. Stop trashing Native Americans.

Momberg played 29 minutes for the entire season. 11 of those against the College of Idaho. By far the least minutes of anyone on the team. She scored 14 points for the season. 9 against College of Idaho. 5 against everyone else. 1.4 per game, the poorest on the team. Petrino and staff were actively working the transfer portal until they were not rehired. If anyone on the team was in danger of being bumped by a transfer, Momberg was the most likely.

 

[UMFan12]

The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession. There were 5 other girls cut, including some who were better than her, yet you constantly brought her up. It makes no sense. Sure, you’d have an argument if she was the best of the bunch. But she wasn’t. You also acknowledge you said she was fine on defense because of “modern day help defenses”, yet say you never claimed it was okay to be beat off the dribble. You do realize that’s her main problem defensively correct? I don’t have any problem with an ambitious coach coming in, cutting 6 non factors to replace with his own recruits and try to rebuild this thing as quickly as possible. And, if you were a true Griz fan, you wouldn’t either.

BS. You are prejudice against Native Americans. You did the same thing with the MSU Native American transfer. I grew up in MT, and have learned to almost smell prejudice from your types. There's alot of that in MT. I know Momberg's family, have followed her career, and was hoping she would be the next good NA to play for the LG. That's not an obsession. You have the obsession. You don't know her, have never seen her play, have not talked to her coaches, and yet you keep making up stuff and trashing her (even when she's been gone for a month). You keep bringing up Momberg, even when I haven't. Her defense was fine. You realize that you are wrong, and don't know what you are talking, right? A racist and a loser. You've got it all. Stop trashing Native Americans.

Seriously dude, just shut the fuck up. You didn't even come up with this narrative of me being prejudiced until another poster brought the idea up. You don't know what you're talking about and are looking for ways to make my opinion seem invalid. Please, explain to me why Momberg deserves a spot over the other 5. Please. I would love to hear it. And on RaeQuan Battle. I don't see how you can say that's prejudice either. Has Battle done anything in his college career other than be an inifficient scorer? You said he'd be the leading scorer for the Cats, and I simply called you out on your lack of College Basketball, and specifically Big Sky Conference basketball knowledge. Adamu, Bishop, and Belo will be the top 3 scorers. I'd love to hear you make an argument that suggests otherwise here as well.

 

[rail43boy]

Well, PR can't shut up. Isn't he a lawyer - he's arguing this case all the way to the supreme court. And when he's found to be wrong, he
resorts to petty, personal attacks. It's his M.O. (Sorry, this is my personal opinion after reading all of his blather.)

 

[PlayerRep]

BS. You are prejudice against Native Americans. You did the same thing with the MSU Native American transfer. I grew up in MT, and have learned to almost smell prejudice from your types. There's alot of that in MT. I know Momberg's family, have followed her career, and was hoping she would be the next good NA to play for the LG. That's not an obsession. You have the obsession. You don't know her, have never seen her play, have not talked to her coaches, and yet you keep making up stuff and trashing her (even when she's been gone for a month). You keep bringing up Momberg, even when I haven't. Her defense was fine. You realize that you are wrong, and don't know what you are talking, right? A racist and a loser. You've got it all. Stop trashing Native Americans.

Momberg played 29 minutes for the entire season. 11 of those against the College of Idaho. By far the least minutes of anyone on the team. She scored 14 points for the season. 9 against College of Idaho. 5 against everyone else. 1.4 per game, the poorest on the team. Petrino and staff were actively working the transfer portal until they were not rehired. If anyone on the team was in danger of being bumped by a transfer, Momberg was the most likely.

Yup on her playing time. Two others played 53 and 47 minutes. Momberg also shot 60% from the field and 67% from 3. The German woman being brought in, who the new coach is touting as a good outside shooter, was 0-6 from the from 3 (the worst on the team) and was averaging about 1.3 points per game. The last time I looked. She had no D-I offers that I could locate.

 

[PlayerRep]

Well, PR can't shut up. Isn't he a lawyer - he's arguing this case all the way to the supreme court. And when he's found to be wrong, he
resorts to petty, personal attacks. It's his M.O. (Sorry, this is my personal opinion after reading all of his blather.)

No personal attacks at all, except with the one guy who keeps trashing me and the two Native Americans. I have a right to state my views, and I will continue to do so. I have never suggested that anyone agree with me. You need to work on your reading.

 

[Washgrizfan1]

12, this is a totally lame excuse, and not even remotely credible: "The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession." Please spare us the BS.

 

[wyomingriz]

Well, PR can't shut up. Isn't he a lawyer - he's arguing this case all the way to the supreme court. And when he's found to be wrong, he
resorts to petty, personal attacks. It's his M.O. (Sorry, this is my personal opinion after reading all of his blather.)

No personal attacks at all, except with the one guy who keeps trashing me and the two Native Americans. I have a right to state my views, and I will continue to do so. I have never suggested that anyone agree with me. You need to work on your reading.

Can we debate anything anymore without someone using "racism" as a weapon win the argument?

 

[UMFan12]

12, this is a totally lame excuse, and not even remotely credible: "The ONLY reason I ever got on her is because I don’t get your obsession." Please spare us the BS.

Ok, go back and look at how many threads and complaints he made all because Momberg was cut. Who gives a shit. Breaking news, coach trying to turn program around cuts benchwarmers. And yes, I mean specifically Momberg because that’s who he brought up over and over as the news first came up. You can have that opinion all you want, but you clearly don’t know what happened, so I suggest you keep your opinion without any basis out of this.

 

[UMFan12]

Directly from his the thread about lady griz cuts, this is PRs first comment. Nope, not about the 5 other players who were also cut, and played more. Momberg. This is what I mean by obsession. Since you want to make it about race without knowing the context, here you go.
“If true, my initial reaction, from row 1 seats, is FU Brian, and the people who hired you. You can have my seats, but I look forward to dogging the you. I assume you can figure out how to attract better players. But you won't have my support if you have cut players. Are you cutting the Native American girl, and will you not recruit Native Americans? I will be curious to see how the the LG support goes, with players cut and out of state players brought in. I bet the guy doesn't have the balls to cut Shannon's daughters.”
AND
“ He will likely recruit from where he has been recruiting and where he has recruiting contacts. I’m assuming he won’t have the time or interest to spend much time in learning to recruit. Momberg’s stepdad is a former Native American high school coach in MT and well known. Doubt that the new coach will get a recommendation from him, if his daughter is one of those being cut.”
AND
“ In little play, Momberg shot 60% from the field, 67% from 3, and 75% from the line. The first two were best on team.

Keller shot 27% (29-109), 31% and 93%. She had a decent amount of rebounds. She also had a bunch of turnovers.

Albrecht 42, 50 and 65.”

AND
“ I am moving on and won't be supporting the program anymore, but the new coach irked me with his apparently unprecedented actions and I will continue to comment on his actions. In my view, The House That Rob Built has now ended. Too bad, in my view. I agree that treated players fairy and helping them get a good education is very important.Terminating 6 scholarships doesn't fulfill that mission.”

AND
“ I am not acting like he cut the best players. Don't call me dude, and learn how to read. I would not have cut Momberg. I have followed her since high school and talked to coaches about her. I don't think I would have cut the Schweyens either, subject to knowing more about injuries, etc. I didn't follow the others closely enough to have an opinion. I had heard the coaches thought some of the other frosh had potential, but would need a bit longer to make an impact”

AND
“ I don’t agree the roster was full of naia players. Had the team had the two who transferred at end of last season, the team would have been fine this year.

If the team has only 4 d-1 players as someone from the athletic dept supposedly said,
why didn’t 3 more get cut?

Hopefully, the coach, who has only been head coach in naia, will be a d-1 coach.

With the year off of in-person, Petrino being liked by fans, the LG fans being older, fewer Montanans on the team and presumably in the future, no Native Americans on the team, the cuts, and at least a few people being irked, it will be interesting to see what happens to the LG support. Men’s support hasn’t been great even in the best years. Maybe it will be great”

AND
“ What the new coach did has put these players in a tough spot. They weren't in the recruiting/looking mode, so are out of that loop. Plus, the cutting will taint them for awhile. They will probably have to work their way up, unless they get lucky and find a good landing spot. I don't know how much room Carroll might have for the some of them or the Schweyens in particular. I look forward to schools like Carroll and Western tasking on the LG in the future, if the new coach would take that risk. Maybe Petrino should take them to Angelo St and make that school a power for that level. Also, I didn't say any of these players would be impact players for the LG next year; just that some deserved to be kept on the team.”

AND
“ From a Missoulian article last Nov:

"The difference from last year's practices is we play a lot more," said junior forward Abby Anderson, one of three returning starters along with guards Sophia Stiles and Madi Schoening. "We're doing little competitions all the time, and it's building everyone's competitive side up.

"Then at the end, when we are scrimmaging, it gets scrappy and words are exchanged. That's different for us, but I like it. We're learning to be a lot more gritty. We're going to need grit and sass to make up for the players we lost."

"All of our five true freshmen are super competitive and they don't back down at all," Anderson said of a group that includes Montana natives Willa Albrecht, Kyndall Keller, Joelnell Momberg and Karsen Murphy and Portland's Bria Dixson.

"They're super vocal. It's a different freshman group than I've ever seen. They're confident. I think that's really cool."

Need any more examples or is that enough?

 

[MissoulaCanucksFan]

Joelnell Momberg transferring to UM Western.

https://umwbulldogs.com/news/2021/5/21/womens-basketball-signs-joelnell-momberg.aspx

 

[UMFan12]

I think part of the problem here is recruiting people from MT just because they are from MT. Look at MSU for instance. They recruited Bellach from Manhattan Christian and he rarely saw the floor. Quite simply put, if a player isn’t completely dominating the Montana high school basketball scene, they usually(with some exceptions) should not be on a Division One floor. It worries me the same about Rhett Reynolds from Shelby, although he’s 6’8 and is very versatile. Those signings, to me, are far more risky than kids producing in states like California or Washington, and I hope to see Holsinger establish pipelines in some of the bigger states the same way Decuire and Cobb have in California. I know that will probably piss PR off too, but it’s the way it is if you want a winning basketball program.

 

[PlayerRep]

I think part of the problem here is recruiting people from MT just because they are from MT. Look at MSU for instance. They recruited Bellach from Manhattan Christian and he rarely saw the floor. Quite simply put, if a player isn’t completely dominating the Montana high school basketball scene, they usually(with some exceptions) should not be on a Division One floor. It worries me the same about Rhett Reynolds from Shelby, although he’s 6’8 and is very versatile. Those signings, to me, are far more risky than kids producing in states like California or Washington, and I hope to see Holsinger establish pipelines in some of the bigger states the same way Decuire and Cobb have in California. I know that will probably piss PR off too, but it’s the way it is if you want a winning basketball program.

I have never said UM should recruit mostly from MT.

 

[UMFan12]

I think part of the problem here is recruiting people from MT just because they are from MT. Look at MSU for instance. They recruited Bellach from Manhattan Christian and he rarely saw the floor. Quite simply put, if a player isn’t completely dominating the Montana high school basketball scene, they usually(with some exceptions) should not be on a Division One floor. It worries me the same about Rhett Reynolds from Shelby, although he’s 6’8 and is very versatile. Those signings, to me, are far more risky than kids producing in states like California or Washington, and I hope to see Holsinger establish pipelines in some of the bigger states the same way Decuire and Cobb have in California. I know that will probably piss PR off too, but it’s the way it is if you want a winning basketball program.

I have never said UM should recruit mostly from MT.

Time and time again, you have mentioned how you expect Holsinger to recruit less from Montana. You have also been quite critical of Holsinger and don’t seem to like the hire. All I did was connect the dots, with a little help from this quote.

“ With the year off of in-person, Petrino being liked by fans, the LG fans being older, fewer Montanans on the team and presumably in the future, no Native Americans on the team, the cuts, and at least a few people being irked, it will be interesting to see what happens to the LG support. Men’s support hasn’t been great even in the best years. Maybe it will be great”
Said by you, in another thread. Also find it weird you think a large sum of fans only support Griz basketball teams because of watching kids from Montana. That’s not the case, and those who would no longer watch with a decrease of Montanans would likely be replaced by a similar number of new fans that would come with a winning program.

 

[MikeyGriz]

I have never said UM should recruit mostly from MT.

Time and time again, you have mentioned how you expect Holsinger to recruit less from Montana. You have also been quite critical of Holsinger and don’t seem to like the hire. All I did was connect the dots, with a little help from this quote.

“ With the year off of in-person, Petrino being liked by fans, the LG fans being older, fewer Montanans on the team and presumably in the future, no Native Americans on the team, the cuts, and at least a few people being irked, it will be interesting to see what happens to the LG support. Men’s support hasn’t been great even in the best years. Maybe it will be great”
Said by you, in another thread. Also find it weird you think a large sum of fans only support Griz basketball teams because of watching kids from Montana. That’s not the case, and those who would no longer watch with a decrease of Montanans would likely be replaced by a similar number of new fans that would come with a winning program.

Unfortunately, that has not been reality as demonstrated by the Men's program in the recent past. Putting a high quality winning program on the floor has not translated into more fans in the stands.

 

[UMFan12]

Time and time again, you have mentioned how you expect Holsinger to recruit less from Montana. You have also been quite critical of Holsinger and don’t seem to like the hire. All I did was connect the dots, with a little help from this quote.

“ With the year off of in-person, Petrino being liked by fans, the LG fans being older, fewer Montanans on the team and presumably in the future, no Native Americans on the team, the cuts, and at least a few people being irked, it will be interesting to see what happens to the LG support. Men’s support hasn’t been great even in the best years. Maybe it will be great”
Said by you, in another thread. Also find it weird you think a large sum of fans only support Griz basketball teams because of watching kids from Montana. That’s not the case, and those who would no longer watch with a decrease of Montanans would likely be replaced by a similar number of new fans that would come with a winning program.

Unfortunately, that has not been reality as demonstrated by the Men's program in the recent past. Putting a high quality winning program on the floor has not translated into more fans in the stands.

The men’s program has ranked above 3 PAC 12 teams in attendance for the past few years. Yes, there is room for improvement. But averaging over a little over 4 thousand fans with one Montana native on the roster says something.

 

[LittleBear]

I think part of the problem here is recruiting people from MT just because they are from MT. Look at MSU for instance. They recruited Bellach from Manhattan Christian and he rarely saw the floor. Quite simply put, if a player isn’t completely dominating the Montana high school basketball scene, they usually(with some exceptions) should not be on a Division One floor. It worries me the same about Rhett Reynolds from Shelby, although he’s 6’8 and is very versatile. Those signings, to me, are far more risky than kids producing in states like California or Washington, and I hope to see Holsinger establish pipelines in some of the bigger states the same way Decuire and Cobb have in California. I know that will probably piss PR off too, but it’s the way it is if you want a winning basketball program.

Rhett is definitely a division 1 player...and should be at UM. His skill set is far more advanced than Mack’s was at the same point in his career, and he has the size and length to play at this level. Unlike the LG, the Griz dont sacrifice scholarships just to take players from MT.

The Lady Griz have been taking bad players (comparatively speaking) from the state for far too long just because they’re from Montana. We live in an AAU age where if you can hoop you will get seen. So either Montana’s grassroots teams aren’t doing a good job of getting Montana hs players exposure or the state just isn’t producing the talent that some people think it is. In the past, players that were actually good enough got offers outside the state (Zags, Wyoming, Idaho). Why were there so many Lady Griz on the roster with only Lady Griz offers?

Momberg committing early isn’t a good excuse as to why she isnt going D1 after UM. If she were a true D1 talent schools would have been on her regardless of her commitment....and once she entered the portal those same schools or their peers would have offered her a scholarship. College coaches don’t just turn a blind eye to a player once they commit. In the age of the portal it’s likely that a player will transfer for one reason or the other.

That being said I’m happy she’s going to Western and i hope she’ll have a good career.