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No Way JJ Can Be Convicted

ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
AG1 was fictitious but now hes just larger than life


:coffee:
To bastardize lyrics from the late, great Frank Zappa "imaginary posters only exist in the imagination of the imaginer.....and.... ultimately, who really gives a f%*k anyway" :cool:

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cclarkblues said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
AG1 was fictitious but now hes just larger than life


:coffee:

There is a point where a legend is born.


Since you are a MOD and smarter than all the rest of us............can you let me know when that happens?


Swing by "THE" tailgate and I will buy you a beer for your effort. :thumb:
 
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
cclarkblues said:
ALPHAGRIZ1 said:
AG1 was fictitious but now hes just larger than life


:coffee:

There is a point where a legend is born.


Since you are a MOD and smarter than all the rest of us............can you let me know when that happens?


Swing by "THE" tailgate and I will buy you a beer for your effort. :thumb:

I figure my mod status is honorarily bestoyed upon me by those who love me, much like Sir Paul McCartney or Sir Elton John. Even though they are knighted, no one expects them to fight a dragon. So I am not smarter than the rest, only better and more loved. Therefore I can't say for certain when a legend is born, but like pornography, I'll know it when I see it.

I plan to be in Missoula for the Liberty game on the 15th. Hope to see everyone then. :thumb:
 
fencer24 said:
I don't know where you practice, but motions to dismiss are not standard. Remember, the standard to charge is that it could have happened. Very few judges will grant a motion to dismiss, and in one so political as this case, it's almost impossible to get a dismissal. I only file motions that I truly believe are going to win because I am not willing to sacrifice my credibility on frivolous motions.
That being said, and knowing Judge Townsend, there is no way in hell that she is going to dismiss this case. Remember, Townsend used to be the sex crimes prosecutor.
What I think is going on here is the probably unethical trying the case in the press. Not to say that the defense wouldn't want to have at least some answer to the allegations. But if it goes to trial, and I think it will, I would use a two pronged attack if I was the defense: First, attack the credibility of the victim, and second; attack the case as being politically driven by the DOJ investigation. I would have a wholly new victim (JJ) and show the jury why they have to do justice by finding an acquittal.

Its may be a little more difficult to attack the victim than some think. If you are driving a car with damage to the rear end and get hit from the front the guy that hit you has no responsibility for the rear end damage, but if he hits you from behind, you are stuck with it all. Depending on HOW they go after her and reading the charging documents HOW the prosecution presents the mental state of alleged victim, the defense could actually HELP make the case. "Professional experts" are a little tougher to sell as rebuttal when the defense can bring in clinicians who can pretty well describe a before and after. With in those 'texts" I am told, there is a pretty clear picture of who/what JJ knew was dealing with, and it ain't pretty, he moves from a good guy helping make a girls day, to very nearly a predator when fueled with alcohol. JJ does have some history as being a "different person" when drinking. He also has some baggage from high school according a teacher I know from there. He likes getting his way.

It is a shame this could NOT have been handled differently, but sadly "due process" can sometimes get in in the way of Justice, and High profile circumstances force just a bit too much "due process"
 
PlayerRep said:
After looking at the motion to dismiss, there would seem to be no way JJ could be convicted (beyond a reasonable doubt), in my view. The significant additional facts are very helpful to JJ and put the statements in the charging affidavit in context. The motion makes a strong argument for dismissal of the case. The motion is very well done and persuasive.

As others have said, the motion is a must read, especially the factual portion. It details what occurred, starting in 2011 or earlier. As others have said, the defense has used the affidavit, but supplemented it with additional facts and information. Very cleverly done by the defense.

I can see why some, including of course his attorney, have said that JJ was unfairly and wrongly charged. I am starting to wonder if the poster who once said JJ was eventually going to own the university and the city/county may be have been onto something.

While I feel sorry for the parties, it will be interesting to see how this one plays out.




PlayerRep,

Help me understand something, considering that I am always a defendant, and never a plaintiff in the court of law, at least this is the situation until the current time in my life.

Jordan Johnson, is facing jail time, and fine if convicted of the crime for which he is being accuse of, however, not convicted of anything as of yet.

Yet, he is made a public figure, for all the world, especially the confines of Missoula, Montana, and the diatribe spewed in the inconsqential pages of the Missoulian, ( which no self respective fish would be wrapped in, let alone be welcome in the bottom of a parakeet cage. )

Jordan Johnson parents, and family are exposed to the accusation, levied against him, with no recourse other than to endure the shame and embarrassment same as their son, before being convicted of the alleged crime.

Now, for the plantiff, or victim, which thru the litigation remains anonymous, without the expose that the Missoulian would not touch with a ten foot pole.

So, what would be the consequences for the plaintiff or victim, if Jordan Johnson is found not guilty, of the allege crime, is there jail time involved or fine as there is for the defendant, for the plaintiff or accuser.

The only reason why I ask is, because, when the plaintiff, " is not sure if she was raped or not " "while enduring the alleged rape, with two individuals within vocal reached, never reached," " and then providing a ride home after being assaulted".
 
Some lawyers just showed up at my door. What should I do? Who sent them? I had to take a picture of them to document this weird intrusion to my Saturday.

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NorthwestFresh said:
Some lawyers just showed up at my door. What should I do? Who sent them? I had to take a picture of them to document this weird intrusion to my Saturday.

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Yup, definitely PR's crack legal team, would know em antwhere.
 
NorthwestFresh said:
nzone said:
tnt said:
have some history as being a "different person" when drinking

I'm sure we will find the same from the other party. So as we find out who she is!

She's known at this point. She's been contacted by a few "concerned" Griz fans already, or so I hear. :eek:

So she is close to you and you talk to her regularly I see. Explains the bias I guess if nothing else. :thumb:
 
crackgina said:
NorthwestFresh said:
nzone said:
tnt said:
have some history as being a "different person" when drinking

I'm sure we will find the same from the other party. So as we find out who she is!

She's known at this point. She's been contacted by a few "concerned" Griz fans already, or so I hear. :eek:

So she is close to you and you talk to her regularly I see. Explains the bias I guess if nothing else. :thumb:

That is a false accusation, and I take great offense to it. I simply will not put up with these smears!! I will now unleash my lawyers on you for defaming me on this board!! My crack legal team of Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne have been contacted, and will be visiting you ASAP! :roll:
 
tnt said:
NorthwestFresh said:
Some lawyers just showed up at my door. What should I do? Who sent them? I had to take a picture of them to document this weird intrusion to my Saturday.

the_three_stooges.jpg
Yup, definitely PR's crack legal team, would know em antwhere.

I don't know if they are connected to PR, though, and I never insinuated such a libelous charge. :thumb:
 
tnt said:
fencer24 said:
I don't know where you practice, but motions to dismiss are not standard. Remember, the standard to charge is that it could have happened. Very few judges will grant a motion to dismiss, and in one so political as this case, it's almost impossible to get a dismissal. I only file motions that I truly believe are going to win because I am not willing to sacrifice my credibility on frivolous motions.
That being said, and knowing Judge Townsend, there is no way in hell that she is going to dismiss this case. Remember, Townsend used to be the sex crimes prosecutor.
What I think is going on here is the probably unethical trying the case in the press. Not to say that the defense wouldn't want to have at least some answer to the allegations. But if it goes to trial, and I think it will, I would use a two pronged attack if I was the defense: First, attack the credibility of the victim, and second; attack the case as being politically driven by the DOJ investigation. I would have a wholly new victim (JJ) and show the jury why they have to do justice by finding an acquittal.

Its may be a little more difficult to attack the victim than some think. If you are driving a car with damage to the rear end and get hit from the front the guy that hit you has no responsibility for the rear end damage, but if he hits you from behind, you are stuck with it all. Depending on HOW they go after her and reading the charging documents HOW the prosecution presents the mental state of alleged victim, the defense could actually HELP make the case. "Professional experts" are a little tougher to sell as rebuttal when the defense can bring in clinicians who can pretty well describe a before and after. With in those 'texts" I am told, there is a pretty clear picture of who/what JJ knew was dealing with, and it ain't pretty, he moves from a good guy helping make a girls day, to very nearly a predator when fueled with alcohol. JJ does have some history as being a "different person" when drinking. He also has some baggage from high school according a teacher I know from there. He likes getting his way.

It is a shame this could NOT have been handled differently, but sadly "due process" can sometimes get in in the way of Justice, and High profile circumstances force just a bit too much "due process"

Completely wrong in Montana. Try to use examples that have a shred of truth, legally, in the future. :thumb:
 
NorthwestFresh said:
crackgina said:
NorthwestFresh said:
nzone said:
I'm sure we will find the same from the other party. So as we find out who she is!

She's known at this point. She's been contacted by a few "concerned" Griz fans already, or so I hear. :eek:

So she is close to you and you talk to her regularly I see. Explains the bias I guess if nothing else. :thumb:

That is a false accusation, and I take great offense to it. I simply will not put up with these smears!! I will now unleash my lawyers on you for defaming me on this board!! My crack legal team of Lloyd Christmas and Harry Dunne have been contacted, and will be visiting you ASAP! :roll:

Please do back up your claim, with proof, that the accuser has been contacted by Griz fans. ;)
 
Prior damage is depreciated IF POSSIBLE, crack. Want to explain aggravation of prior medical condition?
 
spsyk said:
So, what would be the consequences for the plaintiff or victim, if Jordan Johnson is found not guilty, of the allege crime, is there jail time involved or fine as there is for the defendant, for the plaintiff or accuser.

The only reason why I ask is, because, when the plaintiff, " is not sure if she was raped or not " "while enduring the alleged rape, with two individuals within vocal reached, never reached," " and then providing a ride home after being assaulted".
Unfortunately, this identifies the key contradictions in rape cases.

1) Victims get anonymity. The purpose? Obviously to encourage reporting of rapes. The downside? False rapes get reported.

2) False rapes are not punished. The purpose? So as to not discourage the reporting of real rapes. Is that a viable social and legal policy? Well, that surely can be argued. Does it encourage the reporting of false rapes for vindictive, punitive or manipulative purposes? Undoubtedly that occurs. Brian Banks. The Duke LaCrosse boys.

In this case, you have what appears to be something of a classic abused person with acknowledged psychological problems and who may have a history of similar claims, and possibly similar false claims. As often happens with abused persons, they grow up to be abusers.

With men, that tends to show as direct physical aggression, but also as sociopathic behaviors, manipulation, control, exploitation. In rape counseling, these symptoms are strongly emphasized to women (and men), because they are key indicators of an abusive personality.

With women, statistically, they resort to violence as much or more as men in such circumstances, although much more frequently with weapons such as knives or guns. However, direct physical violence is thought to be significantly underreported in these cases because men are less likely to be damaged in a direct physical assault and are far less likely to report it if they are. However, the other key elements seen in sociopathic and abused men -- manipulation, control, exploitation -- are seen in sociopathic and abused women, but with women, manipulation, control and exploitation can utilize the legal system directly to enable those means of abuse because of social policy to encourage them to do so by a general refusal to punish false rape claims.

The key difference is otherwise identical characteristics of abused and psychologically damaged personalities between men and women is that men will be physically abusive and rape, women will be psychologically abusive and report false rapes.

The legal system creates, then, this huge gender discrimination wherein male abusers are punished, and female abusers are in many ways encouraged and enabled because the system protects, "encourages" and supports them in the name of protecting other women from genuine abuse. So genuine victims are a sort of hostage to those abusive and sociopathic women who literally use that system to perpetuate their own cycle of violence and abuse. Sociopathic men, in contrast, have no such presumptions operating in their favor.

This case has significant factual elements acknowledged in Jane Doe's admitted history to suggest that these issues may be present in this case.
 
So the quick and easy take away from UM75's posts is that it is completely alright to rape a woman who has flirted with you or one who has mental problems.




Oh, and playerrep likes wears women's underpants and look at pictures of J Edgar Hoover. I want to be sued for defamation too.
 
Sportin' Life said:
So the quick and easy take away from UM75's posts is that it is completely alright to rape a woman who has flirted with you or one who has mental problems.
No where is it suggested that any justification exists for rape, ever, at any time. Your suggestion is disgusting. The argument is directed toward false allegations of rape. However, if you think it is possible to come away from my remarks with that classic straw man distortion as an honest or reasonable representation of them, I think you are an idiot. Sue me.
 
tnt said:
Prior damage is depreciated IF POSSIBLE, crack. Want to explain aggravation of prior medical condition?
If you are driving a car with prior damage and the car is valued as a rolling total and you are again hit in the same area as theprevious damage you get nothing. Your compensation from the second hit will be ZERO because you can not be compensated for anything more than the total remaining value of the vehicle prior to the second hit.
 
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