If the kid truly wanted to attend UM he could write them, or call, or email, or whatever. I'm sorry but somewhere, the student to be, needs to stand up and say this is what I want and what I will do to get it done. If he is financially in need, then he needs to look at the resources. I assume he has a computer and that the family has filled out the requiset docs for those many schools sending him so much. Sounds more like they are confusing the young man. I am not saying UM is perfect but they are not in the business of hand holding. I am sure his high school counselor could answer the questions he has and advise him to get others answered.Blgs Griz Fan said:
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Kaimin video, recruiting by UM and MSU
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So, the University of Montana needs to determine if this student, in need, is truly interested in the university of Montana even though he had not, apparently, contacted them. Sorry, not buying that.SACCAT66 said:
I've read too many college applications to even entertain the thought that the student did not know how to reach out to the college you are blaming for not reaching out to him. It sounds to me that all these colleges and unversities including MSU are simply mailing everyone and hope one of them stands out but my experience is less can often be more. Most likely, all that stuff being mailed is confusing kids more than anything else. Again, I would refer the student and his parents to seek out the high school counselor. As for UM outreach, I think if they reached out more to alumni it would be more productive. I can assure you, of the three universities I attended, only UM fails to keep up. They do send some very expensive looking material but so do the others. Still, they will do what they do. Glad it is not my problem.
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griz5700 said:
5700...the mouthpiece of Main Hall.
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GrizLA said:
Apparently not since they are using 5700.
GrizLA said:
I too, am glad it's not your problem because the "less is more" crap ain't gonna dig us out of this hole.
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GrizLA said:
You seem to not realize that an University needs to market itself just like a business. And even beyond this, the University is terrible with the follow-up to perspective students. My daughter reached out to multiple schools including UM and had many other schools randomly reach out to her. UM was by far and away the worst school to work with and barely made any effort. It is easy to see why they have an enrollment problem.
HelenaHandBasket said:
My daughter was enrolled at UM 4 years when my son graduated and they didn't reach out at all past the standard mailer, shouldn't they at least make a little more effort towards a family with existing ties?
MSU, who we have never had any direct ties to, reached out multiple times which kind of sums up the problem.
Being another know-nothing, let me suggest that Bodnar did the due diligence & realized the lack of return on investment (what’s been reported by the Kaimin & anecdotes like those shared here) is the result of flawed strategy, process or downright incompetence. Like the tennis clown-car situation, he’s forced to not renew someone’s contract & reassign them out of the way until they can be shown the door in the prescribed manner. If he’d been dealing with a GE employee he’d have been jettisoned into space by now.
So let me ask a question - where did the budget dollars go prior to this year? If there are issues related to major funding cuts that significantly impacted current efforts, where did the money go in cycles prior? I have no idea how much less funding is available than in years past, because all I have to go on is the comparison to state ag’s situation that was outlined in the Kaimin article. Based on the anecdote here, It sounds as if they aren’t producing or distributing significantly less in terms of materials and internet communication than the next-to-nothing that was the effort in prior years. Was it the labor/staff/salaries? Can’t imagine it being payments to a direct-marketing partner because they usually get paid on an output basis. Or was the budget number a hoax and they were never allowed to spend the dollars because the money was needed to fill holes elsewhere? That kind of thing happens regularly in the business world, perhaps in this situation as well.
Having a non-academic like Bodnar address a business problem like this - marketing & advertising, might be a good thing.
So let me ask a question - where did the budget dollars go prior to this year? If there are issues related to major funding cuts that significantly impacted current efforts, where did the money go in cycles prior? I have no idea how much less funding is available than in years past, because all I have to go on is the comparison to state ag’s situation that was outlined in the Kaimin article. Based on the anecdote here, It sounds as if they aren’t producing or distributing significantly less in terms of materials and internet communication than the next-to-nothing that was the effort in prior years. Was it the labor/staff/salaries? Can’t imagine it being payments to a direct-marketing partner because they usually get paid on an output basis. Or was the budget number a hoax and they were never allowed to spend the dollars because the money was needed to fill holes elsewhere? That kind of thing happens regularly in the business world, perhaps in this situation as well.
Having a non-academic like Bodnar address a business problem like this - marketing & advertising, might be a good thing.
flatbed said:
Place must look like a F*c%ing ghost town.
What is the ratio of student to faculty at UM's peak? Average class size?
What is the ratio of student to faculty today? Average class size?
I get how faculty to student ratio could show how well performing a school is where too low is overstaffed and too high is understaffed. But initially a low ratio could be a selling point as more face time for each student with a prof. And if staff is cut too much you risk gutting classes and curriculum and limiting too few options to entice incoming students. That said, I'm sure there definitely could be some staffing cuts. But it should be done wisely.
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Allezchat said:
This will be low-hanging fruit for Bodnar. Balancing the faculty to requirements is a simple transaction. The human element is certainly not simple - if required, some will lose their jobs. He will understand it intuitively.
His challenge is to transform the University. He should not work the margins. It's time to go big.
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