To compete or not to compete.

[HelenaHandBasket]

Nope. Lack of depth will be the undoing.

You could have stopped right here, actually that is where I stopped reading, but point taken.

 

[Bozo JrCollegeofAG]

100%

For the last 2 years we have missed the playoffs by one game. This year we basically have the same talent level. With the coaching upgrade, that will translate into at least one more win.

 

[MTGRZ]

ABQ, that was a long, thought out post. Obviously trying to ruffle some feathers, which isn't hard to do, especially today of all days.
With that being said, I honestly can't say I think you're too far off. I'd be surprised to see a losing record, but I think you're right with the 6-5, 7-4 ball park. If everything goes the Griz way, I'd say the ceiling is 8-3. That, or anything more will truly be impressive.

Agreed with both you cats. Hell, before today I would have said 7-4 was realistic and probable. Now, I think 6-5 is a step in the right direction. Or as you guys like to say, "trending upward." I won't lose faith even if we go 5-6 (or worse). I think Bobby and the boys have always viewed Sneed as a bridge to something better. He has said many times that it takes years (more than 2) to change a teams culture and create the environment he wants.

This is something you know well, as your golden coach has had 2 losing seasons now; but he is still looked upon with infatuated school girl eyes by cat fans. Sneed has always been the plan. Kid who can escape pressure, minimize turnovers, manage the game, and most importantly he brings the fire and enthusiasm that Hauck wants. The 2021 season will be the season to judge Hauck.

 

[Griz til I die]

Yes I do think we make the playoffs. That’s literally all I ask for next year and it’s doable. Sneed proved he’s good in the spring game, I think the oline will be a pleasant surprise and the Defense will be good enough. I don’t care about a big sky championship next year, just the playoffs, even if we lose in the first round.

Hill played well in last year’s scrimmages too...just sayin

Ya but Sneed actually played against the ones, Hill didn’t last year

 

[Catsrgrood]

ABQ, that was a long, thought out post. Obviously trying to ruffle some feathers, which isn't hard to do, especially today of all days.
With that being said, I honestly can't say I think you're too far off. I'd be surprised to see a losing record, but I think you're right with the 6-5, 7-4 ball park. If everything goes the Griz way, I'd say the ceiling is 8-3. That, or anything more will truly be impressive.

Agreed with both you cats. Hell, before today I would have said 7-4 was realistic and probable. Now, I think 6-5 is a step in the right direction. Or as you guys like to say, "trending upward." I won't lose faith even if we go 5-6 (or worse). I think Bobby and the boys have always viewed Sneed as a bridge to something better. He has said many times that it takes years (more than 2) to change a teams culture and create the environment he wants.

This is something you know well,as your golden coach has had 2 losing seasons now; but he is still looked upon with infatuated school girl eyes by cat fans. Sneed has always been the plan. Kid who can escape pressure, minimize turnovers, manage the game, and most importantly he brings the fire and enthusiasm that Hauck wants. The 2021 season will be the season to judge Hauck.

So after 2 seasons with Choate, you can judge what he’s done or not done, and imply that Cat fans are infatuated with someone that hasn’t done anything yet. BUT Hauck gets his 2 seasons without judgement and in 2021 you can take a look at what he’s done and judge then. Am I getting that correct?

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything there, just want to make sure I understand the post. Don’t want this to turn into another Choate discussion, egriz seems to have that covered pretty well lately.

The rest of your post I do agree with.

 

['68griz]

I was expecting 7-4, at best, all along for 2018. Now I definitely wonder about that. 6-5 seems like a real possibility.

 

[kemajic]

Knowing Sneed doesn't throw a good deep ball others will play man coverage and good luck running the ball.

It is not given that Sneed doesn't throw a good deep ball.

 

[kemajic]

Will we compete in the literal sense? Absolutely. I have 100% confidence that the young men and coaches on this team will be ready as best they can each and every game day. I believe practice will be more competitive, and I believe that will translate to the field on game day.

Will we "compete" for a BSC championship/playoffs? Less confident this year. I'm torn by this development today. I felt Jensen had the chance to be an all-time Griz great; and I felt that was going to bring the best out of this team. With Jensen I felt we were 2-3 years away from being really, really stinking good. With Sneed, I am not sure only because I have not seen him play for the Griz yet (spring scrimmage does not count for me).

Best case scenario; we have a new kid that can move the ball well with a new offensive line; even if he doesn't throw a great deep ball. His fiery attitude and competitiveness brings out the best in his teammates and we make the playoffs.

Worst case....he is injured early and we regress to early 1980s style offense and struggle to win 4 games.
But the guys will compete, of that, I have no doubt.

I always felt (with Gresch or Dalton) that this year was "a wash" anyways. Hell, maybe even next year too. Takes time to change the things coaches want to change in this circumstance.

Go Griz!

It's not that grim.

 

[kemajic]

Nope. Lack of depth will be the undoing. When the grizz were good (long ago), depth was the keystone. As much as it pained me at the time, the whole "next an up" mantra from you dicks was actually accurate and reliable. It's the real reason you played your best ball in November. Other teams without depth started to play at a lower level and lose games later in the season. I hated it and so did the rest of the BSC and IAA.

Now fast forward to 2018. Here's my intellectually honest opinion...

I would say 0-2 with the MVFC, but I thought you wouldn't beat NDSU with Stitt's first game either. I'll give you guys a split. UNI could go either way since they always shit the bed in Missoula, and you'll have the Cat game on tape for WIU. Let's go 1-1.

Drake is a win, but harder than you thought. The guys like Walhberg are trying to make the most of it at 2-1, but most folks are understanding that this could be a rough year (even Walhberg deep down).

Now here is where it gets interesting. Suck St is actually a quality playoff caliber football team and will show up to win. This will not be a great game for the grizz, although, you might actually win this one. That make 3-1, although I'm not sure that's a good thing. The fan base will start having visions of grandeur, but the reasonable folks will see what's coming. None the less, lets go with 3-1. Walhberg writes a really positive post and most on here are happy. A few curmudgeons but not many. If you lose, which could easily happen, 2-2 will start the unraveling. For argument's sake, let's go 3-1.

Next is Poly on the road. This is a tough place to play, and I expect a strong return for that program from last year. They had lots of drama with guys going to jail last year, but there's good coaching and a strong tradition. SLO a tough road trip any way you think about it, and I'm predicting a loss. If you lose to Suck St, then I'll predict a win. That's just the way these things go. After 5 games, the record will be 3-2. Not bad.

PSU will be a win to make it 4-2. The bipolar nature of this board will be in full effect. There will actually be threads on a deep playoff run. Poor bastards.

I truly believe you will lose at UND. 4-3. Lots of chatter over here and it get real interesting for us trolls. We really like Saturday evenings and Sundays like this. Thanks in advance.

UCD will be a strange and hard fought win. I say strange because what you knew about this team will get turned on its head. If your D was playing well, they will suck and give up 40+ points. If your O was playing well, they will suck. I think it will be the former. This game will have both teams in the 40+ and grizz will win ugly, probably on late heroics. That makes 5-3. Many on here will be doing the math for a playoff birth. Several others will see the writing on the wall.

For those tired of reading and/or don't want to hear what I have to say next, then just quit now. It gets ugly from here.

The lack of depth in the OL and QB will start to take it's toll. Just like with the Cats needed Prukop for effective O, the grizz will learn that a dinged up Sneed is a problem. There will also be depth issues in the secondary, and probably LB too. Teams will start to exploit weaknesses and start playing effective ball against the grizz. SUU will win pretty big and the team will be exposed. 5-4.

Idaho will come to play and win. This staff with all the drama will still come in and take advantage of the weaknesses and depth issues. The Stein will be lost. Sorry you had to hear it here first. 5-5.

Cat grizz will be a toss up. If you lose, and you might, it will be 5-6. Yikes. I believe the Cats have the depth necessary to compete in November in most areas, and we'll be no worse at QB. Of course I'm predicting a Cat win, but who knows. Either way it will be a tough and long off season for Hauck and the boys.

My money is on 5-6 with an ok chance at 6-5. If things start to unravel early, it could be a run of losses producing 2-4 wins. The absolute best outcome will be 7-4 and an outside shot at the playoffs. That would be a monumental success for Bobby in his first year.

Enjoy.

This one is bookmarked.

 

[WaGriz4life]

Serious question to counter the non-serious question I asked to start this thread. Sneed excelled in the spring game against our extremely young and somewhat soft DB’s. How will he fair against a team with solid corner play and an exceptional mlb who can spy on him? This really is a serious question.

Who in the Big Sky do you think has much better corners than UM? Serious question. Most of these Big Sky defenses are not going to look great against our offense

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Knowing Sneed doesn't throw a good deep ball others will play man coverage and good luck running the ball.

It is not given that Sneed doesn't throw a good deep ball.

Gavin Crow that it was decent. Hit him right in the hands.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Serious question to counter the non-serious question I asked to start this thread. Sneed excelled in the spring game against our extremely young and somewhat soft DB’s. How will he fair against a team with solid corner play and an exceptional mlb who can spy on him? This really is a serious question.

Who in the Big Sky do you think has much better corners than UM? Serious question. Most of these Big Sky defenses are not going to look great against our offense

At first I didn’t think this was a serious question but then you said it was so here it goes. Sac St, NAU, and MSU for sure off the top of my head.

 

[alabamagrizzly]

Serious question to counter the non-serious question I asked to start this thread. Sneed excelled in the spring game against our extremely young and somewhat soft DB’s. How will he fair against a team with solid corner play and an exceptional mlb who can spy on him? This really is a serious question.

Who in the Big Sky do you think has much better corners than UM? Serious question. Most of these Big Sky defenses are not going to look great against our offense

At first I didn’t think this was a serious question but then you said it was so here it goes. Sac St, NAU, and MSU for sure off the top of my head.

Probably add UND to the list too. Sure our guys might be great someday but right now they’re not.

 

[signedbewildered]

What surprises me a bit is how many people are scratching one or two more W's out now that Gresch has left.

Everything else is pretty much the same. I could see being worried about QB depth costing us are some point during the season but I'm not as worried about Sneed being #1 as opposed to Gresch.

 

[MTGRZ]

ABQ, that was a long, thought out post. Obviously trying to ruffle some feathers, which isn't hard to do, especially today of all days.
With that being said, I honestly can't say I think you're too far off. I'd be surprised to see a losing record, but I think you're right with the 6-5, 7-4 ball park. If everything goes the Griz way, I'd say the ceiling is 8-3. That, or anything more will truly be impressive.

Agreed with both you cats. Hell, before today I would have said 7-4 was realistic and probable. Now, I think 6-5 is a step in the right direction. Or as you guys like to say, "trending upward." I won't lose faith even if we go 5-6 (or worse). I think Bobby and the boys have always viewed Sneed as a bridge to something better. He has said many times that it takes years (more than 2) to change a teams culture and create the environment he wants.

This is something you know well,as your golden coach has had 2 losing seasons now; but he is still looked upon with infatuated school girl eyes by cat fans. Sneed has always been the plan. Kid who can escape pressure, minimize turnovers, manage the game, and most importantly he brings the fire and enthusiasm that Hauck wants. The 2021 season will be the season to judge Hauck.

So after 2 seasons with Choate, you can judge what he’s done or not done, and imply that Cat fans are infatuated with someone that hasn’t done anything yet. BUT Hauck gets his 2 seasons without judgement and in 2021 you can take a look at what he’s done and judge then. Am I getting that correct?

Not agreeing or disagreeing with anything there, just want to make sure I understand the post. Don’t want this to turn into another Choate discussion, egriz seems to have that covered pretty well lately.

The rest of your post I do agree with.

Yes, I am implying cat fans are smitten with Choate after two losing seasons. Personally I think Choate is doing a damn good job over there. I said all last season that the cats were better than their record-and it showed in late November. But I also agree with Hauck and Choate when they say it takes more than one or two seasons to build the program they want. My intent was not to imply that Hauck gets a four year pass and Choate does not. They both should be truly judged on their fourth year in my opinion.

My point was that we need to be patient. Yes Choate has two losing season; but I believe he is getting things truly turned around over there. But I will wait until after his fourth year to really assess that program. Hauck should be given until after his fourth year as well. Things do not change overnight; and as fans we need to remember that.

My slight jabs were nothing more than mandatory barbs that come with discussing one's rival. :thumb:

 

[alabamagrizzly]

What surprises me a bit is how many people are scratching one or two more W's out now that Gresch has left.

Everything else is pretty much the same. I could see being worried about QB depth costing us are some point during the season but I'm not as worried about Sneed being #1 as opposed to Gresch.

That’s basically the concern. Sneed is a mobile QB who likes to run and that greatly increases the chance that he won’t be able to stay healthy. His tuffness will certainly be tested. We have seen a great many injuries to QB’s here lately and if that happens again and a Fr is forced to start....well lightning vary rarely strikes the same place twice.

 

[reinell30]

Bobby was brought back to build a championship team, he can only do this the way he knows how! There are going to be a lot of decisions made by current and future players as to if they can play for Bobby and his style of coaching. We as fans will see or hear of many "potential" great players change their minds of playing here at UM over the next years, some decisions will be OK and some will really suck they don't want to play here.

Our money is on Bobby and his leadership to get us back to power, I am all in for this ride no matter how ugly or smooth the road may get.

We will be in the playoffs this season!

Go Griz Nation and Go griz!

 

[signedbewildered]

What surprises me a bit is how many people are scratching one or two more W's out now that Gresch has left.

Everything else is pretty much the same. I could see being worried about QB depth costing us are some point during the season but I'm not as worried about Sneed being #1 as opposed to Gresch.

That’s basically the concern. Sneed is a mobile QB who likes to run and that greatly increases the chance that he won’t be able to stay healthy. His tuffness will certainly be tested. We have seen a great many injuries to QB’s here lately and if that happens again and a Fr is forced to start....well lightning vary rarely strikes the same place twice.

Two things to consider....

1. It very well may be that we would have/will have a better chance of picking up a W or two with a mobile scrambling QB than one that doesn't and...

2. Murray is still in one piece.

*knocks on wood*

 

[Mavman]

I'm soooo confused by you my fellow griz fans!
1. some say the talent was there but the coaches were terrible?
2. some say with coach Hauck playoffs are a sure thing?
3. some say no talent on team and coach Hauck needs 2 years?
4. some say with QB leaving we are screwed?

If the griz were one win away from playoffs last year, and have "better" coaches and a lot of the same talent returning, shouldn't they be able to get to the playoffs this year?

 

[Mavman]

Oh they also don't play EWU or NAU this year!