Why Can Southern Utah Out-Recruit Us?

[Eriul]

I wonder if this kind of logic popped up during the Mariani and Colt Anderson days.

Or the Tyrone Holmes days?

Or the Zach Wagenmann days...

Or the Trumaine Johnson and Schann Schillenger days...

Or the Dan Carpenter days...

Or the Caleb McSurdy days...

Or the Jordan Tripp and Brock Coyle days...

You and your Wally World followers continue to have my post go squarely over you head! Your most recent lame attempt to be relevant by posting this list of Griz greats means absolutely NOTHING in the context of the topic of this thread. I don't know why I even try to discuss football objectively with hacks who swill so much grape Kool-Aid that their piss turns purple.

Uh, my post should have been very clear to anyone with half a brain. It did not suggest that SUU was a better team, or consistently out-recruited us. All it stated was that they were able to find two players at the D-back position who were certainly better than the group of D-backs we have recruited the past 3-4 years. Period!!! If you are unable to understand, or even admit that this fact is true, then you are a worse homer than I even thought! Does being recruited by the NFL mean anything to you? Is it possible for you to EVER admit that any other team does something better than we do?

Every Griz fan with a clue knows that our safety and CB positions have not been of the quality that we used to recruit, for the past few years. Yet, SUU was able to recruit two kids good enough to be drafted by the NFL. If you will go back and re-read my first post, I listed being "lucky" about hitting on a couple of marginal kids who had no other offers as one possibility. But, you and the sugar brigade find it necessary to jump my ass accusing me of stating that SUU was better at recruiting, in general, than UM. Something I do not believe, nor ever stated!

Why don't you and your minions try to be objective for once in your life, instead of trying to slam every one of my posts with off-the-topic, irrelevant posts?

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I wonder if this kind of logic popped up during the Mariani and Colt Anderson days.

Or the Tyrone Holmes days?

Or the Zach Wagenmann days...

Or the Trumaine Johnson and Schann Schillenger days...

Or the Dan Carpenter days...

Or the Caleb McSurdy days...

Or the Jordan Tripp and Brock Coyle days...

You and your Wally World followers continue to have my post go squarely over you head! Your most recent lame attempt to be relevant by posting this list of Griz greats means absolutely NOTHING in the context of the topic of this thread. I don't know why I even try to discuss football objectively with hacks who swill so much grape Kool-Aid that their piss turns purple.

Uh, my post should have been very clear to anyone with half a brain. It did not suggest that SUU was a better team, or consistently out-recruited us. All it stated was that they were able to find two players at the D-back position who were certainly better than the group of D-backs we have recruited the past 3-4 years. Period!!! If you are unable to understand, or even admit that this fact is true, then you are a worse homer than I even thought! Does being recruited by the NFL mean anything to you? Is it possible for you to EVER admit that any other team does something better than we do?

Every Griz fan with a clue knows that our safety and CB positions have not been of the quality that we used to recruit, for the past few years. Yet, SUU was able to recruit two kids good enough to be drafted by the NFL. If you will go back and re-read my first post, I listed being "lucky" about hitting on a couple of marginal kids who had no other offers as one possibility. But, you and the sugar brigade find it necessary to jump my ass accusing me of stating that SUU was better at recruiting, in general, than UM. Something I do not believe, nor ever stated!

Why don't you and your minions try to be objective for once in your life, instead of trying to slam every one of my posts with off-the-topic, irrelevant posts?

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

 

[grizindabox]

I wouldn't say that SUU out recruited UM, since I am fairly confident they did not recruit the same kids. I will say that SUU has done either.... 1) a better job in the kids they did recruit..... 2) a better job developing the kids they did recruit......or 3) a combination of the two.....

 

[CV Griz Fan]

I wouldn't say that SUU out recruited UM, since I am fairly confident they did not recruit the same kids. I will say that SUU has done either.... 1) a better job in the kids they did recruit..... 2) a better job developing the kids they did recruit......or 3) a combination of the two.....

Good point. Either way, DBs at SUU in the post Trumain era, have certainly been better than the ones for the Griz.... I am not trying to speak for Growler but I think he is saying that the DB position for the Griz, in years past, was a huge strength of the team. That just hasn't been the case in recent years.....

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

I wouldn't say that SUU out recruited UM, since I am fairly confident they did not recruit the same kids. I will say that SUU has done either.... 1) a better job in the kids they did recruit..... 2) a better job developing the kids they did recruit......or 3) a combination of the two.....

Good point. Either way, DBs at SUU in the post Trumain era, have certainly been better than the ones for the Griz.... I am not trying to speak for Growler but I think he is saying that the DB position for the Griz, in years past, was a huge strength of the team. That just hasn't been the case in recent years.....

Yeah, you got it right, CV. I have to dumb it down for most of Wally's World, but I thought that even they could understand my post starting this thread. I never said that SUU out-recruited us on a regular basis. But, we have not had good CBs or safeties in several years, and then one of the bottom-dwellers in our conference comes up with two NFL caliber D-backs???? WTF! By the way, I concur with grizindabox's comments.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Or the Tyrone Holmes days?

Or the Zach Wagenmann days...

Or the Trumaine Johnson and Schann Schillenger days...

Or the Dan Carpenter days...

Or the Caleb McSurdy days...

Or the Jordan Tripp and Brock Coyle days...

You and your Wally World followers continue to have my post go squarely over you head! Your most recent lame attempt to be relevant by posting this list of Griz greats means absolutely NOTHING in the context of the topic of this thread. I don't know why I even try to discuss football objectively with hacks who swill so much grape Kool-Aid that their piss turns purple.

Uh, my post should have been very clear to anyone with half a brain. It did not suggest that SUU was a better team, or consistently out-recruited us. All it stated was that they were able to find two players at the D-back position who were certainly better than the group of D-backs we have recruited the past 3-4 years. Period!!! If you are unable to understand, or even admit that this fact is true, then you are a worse homer than I even thought! Does being recruited by the NFL mean anything to you? Is it possible for you to EVER admit that any other team does something better than we do?

Every Griz fan with a clue knows that our safety and CB positions have not been of the quality that we used to recruit, for the past few years. Yet, SUU was able to recruit two kids good enough to be drafted by the NFL. If you will go back and re-read my first post, I listed being "lucky" about hitting on a couple of marginal kids who had no other offers as one possibility. But, you and the sugar brigade find it necessary to jump my ass accusing me of stating that SUU was better at recruiting, in general, than UM. Something I do not believe, nor ever stated!

Why don't you and your minions try to be objective for once in your life, instead of trying to slam every one of my posts with off-the-topic, irrelevant posts?

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

 

[TxGriz]

Maybe just a town with tavern/casino on very street corner and two in between just isn't their cup of of meat.

 

[Eriul]

Or the Tyrone Holmes days?

Or the Zach Wagenmann days...

Or the Trumaine Johnson and Schann Schillenger days...

Or the Dan Carpenter days...

Or the Caleb McSurdy days...

Or the Jordan Tripp and Brock Coyle days...

You and your Wally World followers continue to have my post go squarely over you head! Your most recent lame attempt to be relevant by posting this list of Griz greats means absolutely NOTHING in the context of the topic of this thread. I don't know why I even try to discuss football objectively with hacks who swill so much grape Kool-Aid that their piss turns purple.

Uh, my post should have been very clear to anyone with half a brain. It did not suggest that SUU was a better team, or consistently out-recruited us. All it stated was that they were able to find two players at the D-back position who were certainly better than the group of D-backs we have recruited the past 3-4 years. Period!!! If you are unable to understand, or even admit that this fact is true, then you are a worse homer than I even thought! Does being recruited by the NFL mean anything to you? Is it possible for you to EVER admit that any other team does something better than we do?

Every Griz fan with a clue knows that our safety and CB positions have not been of the quality that we used to recruit, for the past few years. Yet, SUU was able to recruit two kids good enough to be drafted by the NFL. If you will go back and re-read my first post, I listed being "lucky" about hitting on a couple of marginal kids who had no other offers as one possibility. But, you and the sugar brigade find it necessary to jump my ass accusing me of stating that SUU was better at recruiting, in general, than UM. Something I do not believe, nor ever stated!

Why don't you and your minions try to be objective for once in your life, instead of trying to slam every one of my posts with off-the-topic, irrelevant posts?

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Killebrew and Sims both were not highly taut prospects going into their program. Did SUU out recruit UM or out develop? I have a hard time believing they just found great players that no one else wanted and they just happened to be great. From what I can see Killebrew had 2 offers, SUU and Weber. Sims had NAU, SUU, and New Mexico State.

Just because a program has ONE better area than you for a few years does not mean they "out recruited." Our DB's have not been great you are right, maybe we should worry less about recruiting and more about coaching. Remember Tru was a lowly WR recruit when he got picked up.

So... as I stated. If you're going to say that SUU "out-recruited" UM because they had better DB's in a 4 year span then I can just swap the teams and say NDSU out-recruited Alabama because NDSU has had better QB's. Seems pretty flawed to me

 

[Eriul]

You and your Wally World followers continue to have my post go squarely over you head! Your most recent lame attempt to be relevant by posting this list of Griz greats means absolutely NOTHING in the context of the topic of this thread. I don't know why I even try to discuss football objectively with hacks who swill so much grape Kool-Aid that their piss turns purple.

Uh, my post should have been very clear to anyone with half a brain. It did not suggest that SUU was a better team, or consistently out-recruited us. All it stated was that they were able to find two players at the D-back position who were certainly better than the group of D-backs we have recruited the past 3-4 years. Period!!! If you are unable to understand, or even admit that this fact is true, then you are a worse homer than I even thought! Does being recruited by the NFL mean anything to you? Is it possible for you to EVER admit that any other team does something better than we do?

Every Griz fan with a clue knows that our safety and CB positions have not been of the quality that we used to recruit, for the past few years. Yet, SUU was able to recruit two kids good enough to be drafted by the NFL. If you will go back and re-read my first post, I listed being "lucky" about hitting on a couple of marginal kids who had no other offers as one possibility. But, you and the sugar brigade find it necessary to jump my ass accusing me of stating that SUU was better at recruiting, in general, than UM. Something I do not believe, nor ever stated!

Why don't you and your minions try to be objective for once in your life, instead of trying to slam every one of my posts with off-the-topic, irrelevant posts?

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

This logic is so so so bad. Using that logic I could make the argument that NDSU outrecruited alabama because they got Carson Wentz. You and alpha provide some great entertainment at the idiocy that is posted. I thoroughly appreciate it.

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

 

[PlayerRep]

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

Don't think there were any off-field issues causing Tru not to get a Pac-12 scholarship. He was close, but didn't get one. He considered himself to be Pac-12 quality. That's why he held out so long with UM. He kept telling the UM coaches that he was not committing to UM because he was Pac-12 quality. UM coaches knew he was very good. After a week of pre-season practice, Bobby commented to the other coaches that Tru was right that he was Pac-12 quality.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

Don't think there were any off-field issues causing Tru not to get a Pac-12 scholarship. He was close, but didn't get one. He considered himself to be Pac-12 quality. That's why he held out so long with UM. He kept telling the UM coaches that he was not committing to UM because he was Pac-12 quality. UM coaches knew he was very good. After a week of pre-season practice, Bobby commented to the other coaches that Tru was right that he was Pac-12 quality.

Yes, there were off-field issues in high school. Nothing major, but the kids he ran with were hardly model citizens, if you get my drift. FBS schools check this stuff out before offering a kid. Bobby would offer any kid who he thought could play, period, as evidenced by the kids he signed after they had been removed from their FBS teams. And, we all remember the results of signing some of those kids. Am not Hauck bashing, it's just the facts about how he ran the program.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

Don't think there were any off-field issues causing Tru not to get a Pac-12 scholarship. He was close, but didn't get one. He considered himself to be Pac-12 quality. That's why he held out so long with UM. He kept telling the UM coaches that he was not committing to UM because he was Pac-12 quality. UM coaches knew he was very good. After a week of pre-season practice, Bobby commented to the other coaches that Tru was right that he was Pac-12 quality.

Yes, there were off-field issues in high school. Nothing major, but the kids he ran with were hardly model citizens, if you get my drift. FBS schools check this stuff out before offering a kid. Bobby would offer any kid who he thought could play, period, as evidenced by the kids he signed after they had been removed from their FBS teams. And, we all remember the results of signing some of those kids. Am not Hauck bashing, it's just the facts about how he ran the program.

Pretty much like Tark did at UNLV. The formula works. You just have to be ready to put out a few fires from time to time.....

 

[GrizGuy]

How does two guys getting to the NFL pre-season prove that S. Utah out recruited UM?

BTW. S. Utah's coach is gone... they will be back to normal.

This. Sheesh. Two players and Stitt suddenly is out-recruited by SUU. Whatever.

 

[Eriul]

I'm not really following your point Erul. You'd certainly agree that SUU has out recruited UM at the DB position over the last five years right? If not, who of the Griz DBs from 2012-2015 were of the caliber of Sims or Killebrew in your opinion? I think Growler's point is relatively clear. Griz recruiting has suffered in recent years. Stitt seems to have gotten things back on track but will just have to see how things pan out.....

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

Umm I read the whole thread. You're the one flip flopping your argument after the thread title clearly states Suu out recruits us. Tru was an unranked high school prospect and he thought he was good enough for pac 10, thus his interest, but those schools highly highly disagreed. His wr skills were mid fcs at best. His dedication, transition to corner, and the great coaching is what got him where he is at. He would be the first to tell you that too

 

[CV Griz Fan]

How does two guys getting to the NFL pre-season prove that S. Utah out recruited UM?

BTW. S. Utah's coach is gone... they will be back to normal.

This. Sheesh. Two players and Stitt suddenly is out-recruited by SUU. Whatever.

Stitt suddenly out recruited? Those SUU players were recruited four plus years ago.....

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

How does two guys getting to the NFL pre-season prove that S. Utah out recruited UM?

BTW. S. Utah's coach is gone... they will be back to normal.

This. Sheesh. Two players and Stitt suddenly is out-recruited by SUU. Whatever.

Stitt suddenly out recruited? Those SUU players were recruited four plus years ago.....

Don't burst their agenda bubble. It make them lose sleep.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

Eriul, I think you flunked Logic 101 at UM. Maybe got a "A" in Creative Writing 101 though.

You're the one who said SUU out recruit's UM and then it doesn't. :roll:

why don't you read the entire thread so I don't have to dumb it down for you an explain it for the 4th time.

Oh, and you are 100% wrong saying that Trumaine was a 'low WR recruit". He was the star recruit from his recruiting class, and would have gone Pac 10 if not for some off-field issues.

Umm I read the whole thread. You're the one flip flopping your argument after the thread title clearly states Suu out recruits us. Tru was an unranked high school prospect and he thought he was good enough for pac 10, thus his interest, but those schools highly highly disagreed. His wr skills were mid fcs at best. His dedication, transition to corner, and the great coaching is what got him where he is at. He would be the first to tell you that too

Wrong. But why waste time with a poster with an agenda? Your post proves that you know jack sh*t about Tru. I have been a Rivals.com member for many years. Trumaine was a 2-star recruit on Rivals.

I just went back and checked Trumaine from rivals. I stand corrected, it is true that tru did not have any stars from Rivals. But he did have lots of PAC 12 interest.

 

[PlayerRep]

From wikipedia: "A native of Stockton, California, Johnson attended Edison High School, where he was an unranked wide receiver prospect.[2]"

The Wiki link to Rivals. No stars. https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/63202

Let's hear more of an apology Atlanta.

 

[Atlanta Griz1]

From wikipedia: "A native of Stockton, California, Johnson attended Edison High School, where he was an unranked wide receiver prospect.[2]"

The Wiki link to Rivals. No stars. https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/maple/63202

Let's hear more of an apology Atlanta.

I already posted that I was wrong. But that's not good enough for you, huh? So, GFY.