College Admissions Scandal: Top Coaches Involved

[argh!]

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

they pretty much do, which is why the private universities should be paying taxes. they are businesses. use the money to fund public education.

 

[SoldierGriz]

I see that one of the sports/coaches involved was sailing. My stupid nephew for Bozeman took up sailing when he got to college last fall (actually summer). Had he put sailing on his application a year ago, he might have gotten into a better school than West Point.

Your nephew at West Point is obviously not stupid. Few schools better than West Point. Assume you r joking.

 

[SoldierGriz]

With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

His generalizations are not only incorrect, they're dangerous.

How would this money turn-in happen? Would it be similar to a gun turn-in?

Sounds like a bunch of long lines...

 

[AZGrizFan]

With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

His generalizations are not only incorrect, they're dangerous.

How would this money turn-in happen? Would it be similar to a gun turn-in?

Sounds like a bunch of long lines...

It would be easier to get me to stand in a money-turn-in line than a gun-turn-in line.

 

[SoldierGriz]

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

His generalizations are not only incorrect, they're dangerous.

How would this money turn-in happen? Would it be similar to a gun turn-in?

Sounds like a bunch of long lines...

It would be easier to get me to stand in a money-turn-in line than a gun-turn-in line.

Save me a place in the money line right behind you. Maybe they will give me some of yours to make things fair.

 

[PlayerRep]

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

they pretty much do, which is why the private universities should be paying taxes. they are businesses. use the money to fund public education.

I was talking about all universities, not just private ones.

There is no reason for private colleges to pay taxes. Universities or entities doing what they want, within the charitable tax law rules and US Constitution, has nothing to do with whether they should be tax exempt or not. Churches are tax exempt. Zillions of charities and foundations are tax exempt. Think even the Clinton Foundation.

Colleges are not businesses. They are colleges. Their purpose is education, and most do a very good job.

There is a very good reason that the law was created to allow private colleges to be tax exempt.

 

[PlayerRep]

I see that one of the sports/coaches involved was sailing. My stupid nephew for Bozeman took up sailing when he got to college last fall (actually summer). Had he put sailing on his application a year ago, he might have gotten into a better school than West Point.

Your nephew at West Point is obviously not stupid. Few schools better than West Point. Assume you r joking.

Yup, a joke. But he did take up sailing. We wanted him to play rugby. He converted from Bozeman high sports, water skiing at Houser, and snow skiing at Bridger and Big Sky, to sailing. His first competition last fall was at Navy. Another cousin of ours is a senior at the Air Force Academy, and was a starting safety until he got hurt at Army. And, one of our sons is a former Army Ranger, and now lawyer, as you may have seen me post in the past.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

With upward mobility for ordinary middle class kids at an all time low due to the banana republic-like inequality in this country, just about the only escape route is (was?) education. Now the moneyed oligarch class is closing even that loop hole. Time to put all the money back in the bank, give equal shares to all players, and let them start passing go.

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

 

[argh!]

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

they pretty much do, which is why the private universities should be paying taxes. they are businesses. use the money to fund public education.

I was talking about all universities, not just private ones.

There is no reason for private colleges to pay taxes. Universities or entities doing what they want, within the charitable tax law rules and US Constitution, has nothing to do with whether they should be tax exempt or not. Churches are tax exempt. Zillions of charities and foundations are tax exempt. Think even the Clinton Foundation.

Colleges are not businesses. They are colleges. Their purpose is education, and most do a very good job.

There is a very good reason that the law was created to allow private colleges to be tax exempt.

disagree. my experience is that private colleges are first and foremost businesses. administrators get paid according to how much money they manage to bring in to their divisions. some tax breaks for specific endeavors would be fine, though.

churches should be taxed. they too, are businesses. look at the mormon church. lots of money.

 

[indian-outlaw]

Who in hell would pay money to get into Texas? That bar was set low years ago.

Actually Texas is a pretty damn good school, and a lot of Kids get turned away.

GW Bush got turned away because of academics, he had to resort to daddy getting him into Yale through bribery. They must have some standards at UT.

 

[AZGrizFan]

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

This 1%'er just got bent over by the new tax code. :| :|

 

[cclarkblues]

Who in hell would pay money to get into Texas? That bar was set low years ago.

Actually Texas is a pretty damn good school, and a lot of Kids get turned away.

GW Bush got turned away because of academics, he had to resort to daddy getting him into Yale through bribery. They must have some standards at UT.

Documentation?

 

[argh!]

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

This 1%'er just got bent over by the new tax code. :| :|

documentation?

 

[PlayerRep]

Football:

"From 2011 to 2018, prosecutors say, parents paid a total of $25 million to William Singer, a college-admissions consultant, to bribe coaches and administrators to designate their children as top recruits in such sports as football, water polo, soccer, track and volleyball at universities including the University of Southern California, Georgetown and Wake Forest."

"In a conversation recorded by authorities, Mr. McGlashan was quoted a fee of $250,000 by Mr. Singer, who started his company, Edge College & Career Network.

“I would do that in a heartbeat,” said Mr. McGlashan, of Mill Valley, Calif., the managing partner of private-equity firm TPG Growth. He had already paid Mr. Singer $50,000 for an expert to surreptitiously correct his son’s college-entrance exam, according to government allegations. He would pay even more to have his son photoshopped into a star kicker for the USC football team."

A large number of these issues occurred at USC. "In exchange, prosecutors said Ms. Heinel helped facilitate the admission of more than two dozen athletes, some of whom didn’t even play the sports under which they were purportedly being recruited." It looks like at least 17 "athletes" went to USC.

I've now seen a recruited basketball player too.

None, or almost none, of the "athletes" I've noticed even played their sports in high school. Some didn't even have the sport at their high schools.

The bad guy mastermind is saying that he helped 750 kids get into schools. He had done this for over a decade before he got caught. The people charged so far are just the ones who were doing this in the last year or so, when the bad guy was wearing a wire and had his phone tapped.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

This 1%'er just got bent over by the new tax code. :| :|

documentation?

Bent over because you actually had to pay or....haha

And just to be clear, the 1% is less of a problem tax wise. Its more so the .1% that saves the most and their corporations.

 

[hokeyfine]

It's not easy being rich. First, you have to pay the king's ransom to get you or your progeny into the damn university. Then you have to pay a premium to make sure they never leak your grades. It's hell, I tell you, hell.

Plus the cost of high end photo shopping to make sure that the photos of your kids really look like they are high end athletes in sports they don't even play. Also, the related posing/acting lessons for the photos.

How would you like to be that daughter, at USC, of one of the actresses who was indicted, or the kids of any of the other parents who were charged. Jeez, mom; thanks a lot. Plus, now EVERYONE knows I have a "learning disability".

I see that some people and columnists are taking this opportunity to attack the preferences that some schools give athletes in admissions. Do schools like UM lower admission standards for athletes, as long as the athletes meet the NCAA standard, or is the UM admissions standard already lower than the ncaa standard?

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

The difference between a large donation to the college and a bribe to get on an athletic recruit list is interesting.

And people like Elizabeth Warren who have used false claims regarding heritage to their advantage.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for most of the kids because a lot of them knew. Saw an interview with a former Stanford admissions person, she brought up the term "drone parent".... we've graduated from helicopter parents.....

 

[GrizLA]

Your generalizations simply are incorrect. I have read applications for the most desired UC and I can assure you, working class kids are applying and entering in record numbers. Some, a very few "exclusive" schools use the big name "kids" as actual recruiting magnets for the large numbers of foreign, especially Asian youngsters whose parents push them into the Ivy League top tier, Stanford, UW, and USC. America's moneyed classes are not the big problem you think. Many go over seas to Sorbonne or London. Smart kids, especially kids from places like Montana, Wyoming, and other rural states that can produce good students are especially sought after along with ethnic minorities. US college enrollments mirror the country as a whole. But, Asian money in the form of tuition can fund a lot of deserving US kids. The rest of the your post makes no sense to me.

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

Your state voted for the people who voted for it and stand to gain the most.

 

[GrizLA]

It's not easy being rich. First, you have to pay the king's ransom to get you or your progeny into the damn university. Then you have to pay a premium to make sure they never leak your grades. It's hell, I tell you, hell.

Plus the cost of high end photo shopping to make sure that the photos of your kids really look like they are high end athletes in sports they don't even play. Also, the related posing/acting lessons for the photos.

How would you like to be that daughter, at USC, of one of the actresses who was indicted, or the kids of any of the other parents who were charged. Jeez, mom; thanks a lot. Plus, now EVERYONE knows I have a "learning disability".

I see that some people and columnists are taking this opportunity to attack the preferences that some schools give athletes in admissions. Do schools like UM lower admission standards for athletes, as long as the athletes meet the NCAA standard, or is the UM admissions standard already lower than the ncaa standard?

My view is that a school should be able to do what it wants, as long as it doesn't violate the US Constitution, i.e. discrimination on race, religion or sex, etc. That also means choosing the sports it wants to have (including largely "white" sports). Of course, that doesn't mean accepting bribes.

The difference between a large donation to the college and a bribe to get on an athletic recruit list is interesting.

And people like Elizabeth Warren who have used false claims regarding heritage to their advantage.

I don't feel the least bit sorry for most of the kids because a lot of them knew. Saw an interview with a former Stanford admissions person, she brought up the term "drone parent".... we've graduated from helicopter parents.....

Each new student at Stanford has two face to face interviews, or is supposed to...

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Then you're part of the problem. While srgrizizen post is to a degree generalized, what they are getting at is factual and the single most important issue this country is facing. That is the elite and rich do not play by the same rules.

A record number of middle class kids may be enrolling but theyre also entering into debt riddled lives when they sign those contracts that they are promised from the govt at an age where they have no real idea what they are signing. What theyre signing is a government sponsored scam. Besides his statement that we should just try socialism outright, his post is on point.

Americas "moneyed class" is absolutely a huge problem, and thats coming from someone who is doing just fine.

More generalizations....I know many, and ,I guess I would be considered part of the "moneyed class" and I can assure you they do more for the country, their local areas, their neighborhood schools, and universities than you are giving them credit. Where I live most of the year is a retirement center for many wealthy people and most support their communities. I think too many people in too many places simply get their "information" from talk radio and TV. I am liberal, proudly so, but I am not so stupid as to not see the asinine statement that "the moneyed class" is absolutely a problem".....who, in particular? Yourself? Your neighbors?

Maybe I should rephrase it, the laws that the wealthy are able to exploit, and or break frequently with minimal repercussions are the problem. Im looking at you tax code.

Your state voted for the people who voted for it and stand to gain the most.

Weird flex bro.

 

[griz4life]

Meanwhile, Seth Bodnar stands under a streetlight in a cocktail dress just hoping to boost enrollment.