Kaimin Mending Fences

[CFallsGriz]

btw - I do think that by next FB season this issue will probably go away. Especially if the team can avoid legal problems for a year. I'm thinking Hauck will hammer that point home - there will be no tolerance for any misbehavior, even if it is allowed to other students at times.

Ya think?

Pretty unambiguous.

Seriously though, he needs a chance to prove it. Some are not willing to do that...

 

[cmtgrizzly]

Any chance to get a copy of the article posted on EGriz?

On the Kaimin website there is a poll asking whether you are Happy, Sad, Angry, or Ecstatic (my pick ) about Bobby's return. If we can vote on Monte for Mascot of the year we could certainly take over this poll. Wouldn't hurt.

Also - I would be willing to join in with a few reasonable folks in writing a response to the article. No name calling or labelling, just a different view with actual facts. If I could read the article first - I'm not in Missoula in the winter so I can't just pick up a copy.

Maybe the Kaiman would allow you to write an opinion piece in their paper.

 

[Eriul]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

 

[Allezchat]

Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS


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..be careful most millennials prefer socialism and lean to be democrat...maybe there's not much of
a difference between the two anymore!

Truthfully? I’ve got no problem with Democrats. My problem is with the “progressive” left. And I think there is a HUGE difference. Just as I, as a conservative, find an incredible gap between myself and the “alt right”.

This is the truth. So many people on either side blame the extreme on the opposite side and don't spend any time criticizing the extreme on their side. Change happens when that happens.

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[ordigger]

Cowards. Which is literally the most offensive thing someone could say to me. They hide behind “free speech,” much like the kkk and white supremacy supporters. They claim their idea is constitutionally valid, however, they are spewing hate speech. If any of you Kaimin kids are here, I am calling you a coward in no uncertain terms. Half truth horse shit. Too short sighted to see past your own insecurities. Incomplete reporting from incomplete people. I say it again, you are a coward for your inability to handle truthful journalism. If being called a coward doesn’t bother you, you don’t have a clue about the world. You live in a me me me culture, but the me stands for menial. COWARDS


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..be careful most millennials prefer socialism and lean to be democrat...maybe there's not much of
a difference between the two anymore!

Truthfully? I’ve got no problem with Democrats. My problem is with the “progressive” left. And I think there is a HUGE difference. Just as I, as a conservative, find an incredible gap between myself and the “alt right”.

I agree with you 100%, and those two extremes on both sides, are the root cause of many issues currently happening. It's about agendas, not solutions.

 

[PlayerRep]

Any chance to get a copy of the article posted on EGriz?

On the Kaimin website there is a poll asking whether you are Happy, Sad, Angry, or Ecstatic (my pick ) about Bobby's return. If we can vote on Monte for Mascot of the year we could certainly take over this poll. Wouldn't hurt.

Also - I would be willing to join in with a few reasonable folks in writing a response to the article. No name calling or labelling, just a different view with actual facts. If I could read the article first - I'm not in Missoula in the winter so I can't just pick up a copy.

Go to the website. In the upper right area, it says Print Edition. Click on it. Actually start clicking on the arrow on the right and keep paging to the article. You can increase the size of the print to read, or print.

 

[GGNez]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

Thanks for the input, Eriul. I didn't say anything about Justin. My perspective of Beau back then didn't include his high school behavior, which I wasn't aware of. His brother and parents participated in a fundraiser that I was part of and they seemed like a great family. Often, with a rapist of this nature, people who knew him are shocked to learn that they were capable of such things. That's how I felt about Beau at the time.

 

[Bear Axed]

ANSWER:
A yellow Journalism Class taught at the UofM

 

[SoldierGriz]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

Are you suggesting people should have known he would rape his child-hood friend? You knew?

 

[RobGriz]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

I’m not sure that there is enough time in the day to do the type of investigation you are suggesting. I mean how far, as a college football coach, are you supposed to dig? You have to rely on the people that are supposed to know him and are trying to get him recruited, mostly his high school football coaches. They have no desire to promote a kid that might be a problem later as that reflects negatively on them and could quite possibly hurt other deserving kids later on. I understand the sentiment of your post, I truly do, but I think you’re being a tad disingenuous in your assessment of what a coach need do in recruiting. Per your argument it would suggest that he needs to interview everyone the recruit knows until they “dig up some dirt” and than predict future behavior based upon that.
I apologize ahead of time if I misunderstood your post.

 

[PlayerRep]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

As the father of a daughter who graduated from high school the same year as Donaldson (and knew and liked him), and as someone who knew Donaldson a bit when he was a player and someone who talked to a number of his friends about him, I don't share your opinion of Donaldson, pre-rape. My view is that as time went on, he developed an alcohol and pill problem that is probably the root of most of his issues. The athletic dept./Pflu had him seek some level of treatment while he was playing. So, as usual, conflicting views here.

 

[Blgs Griz Fan]

I graduated from the University many years ago. More than I care to think about now. During my time at the University I read the Kaiman as a form of entertainment. I seldom gave much credibility accuracy of the news that was printed and was skeptical of the neutrality of it.
It doesn't sound like much has changed.

 

[StittHappened]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

You can't be serious and/or you're straight up lying. How many fights did Justin get into in high school? None. He wasn't an aggressive person. But yeah, you totally could see him beating up a kid in the dorms. And don't get me started on Beau. Nobody saw that coming, and certainly not in high school. I'd love to hear the clues you saw in high school that led to you not being surprised by their college actions, but I doubt you'll list them.

 

[Bear Axed]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

You can't be serious and/or you're straight up lying. How many fights did Justin get into in high school? None. He wasn't an aggressive person. But yeah, you totally could see him beating up a kid in the dorms. And don't get me started on Beau. Nobody saw that coming, and certainly not in high school. I'd love to hear the clues you saw in high school that led to you not being surprised by their college actions, but I doubt you'll list them.

 

[George Ferguson]

One thing I forgot to address: Beau Donaldson

There really was no discernable reason for Hauck NOT to recruit Beau when he did. By all appearances, he was a "good kid" - a Montana boy from a good family. Appearances were wrong, but people who are capable of raping someone - especially a friend, typically come across as respectable; often charismatic. They are very good at keeping the predatory part of themselves compartmentalized and hidden.

It's unfair to suggest that Hauck should have predicted something about Beau that those closest to him didn't even know.

Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough digging and that is something hauck, and most coaches, did fail at.
As a woman who went to high school with both Beau Donaldson and Justin Montelius, let’s just say I was not in the least bit surprised when each got into their own individual trouble.
I don’t want it to make it sound like Hauck should have just known but honestly... to say their behavior was unpredictable is kind of comical

You can't be serious and/or you're straight up lying. How many fights did Justin get into in high school? None. He wasn't an aggressive person. But yeah, you totally could see him beating up a kid in the dorms. And don't get me started on Beau. Nobody saw that coming, and certainly not in high school. I'd love to hear the clues you saw in high school that led to you not being surprised by their college actions, but I doubt you'll list them.

I'll say this about Justin Montelius. He came to Northern after he was off the team at UM. He was a great guy, never got into any trouble, was active in a bunch of campus stuff outside of football. On the football team was a two-year captain, had a really good career with the Lights, got his degree. His brother also came to Northern and was a solid WR for the Lights. I got to know both of them really well. They are good people.

 

[Fahque]

Here’s a link to the Kaimin article: http://www.montanakaimin.com/features/asset-or-liability-bobby-hauck-s-controversial-return-to-um/article_de551310-db75-11e7-b412-dbef348385d4.html

Here’s an interesting Missoulian article: http://missoulian.com/news/local/letter-from-some-university-of-montana-faculty-ask-for-reconsideration/article_1930c723-7c0d-5223-8907-a9a417e457c5.html

 

[get'em_griz]

Here’s a link to the Kaimin article: http://www.montanakaimin.com/features/asset-or-liability-bobby-hauck-s-controversial-return-to-um/article_de551310-db75-11e7-b412-dbef348385d4.html

Here’s an interesting Missoulian article: http://missoulian.com/news/local/letter-from-some-university-of-montana-faculty-ask-for-reconsideration/article_1930c723-7c0d-5223-8907-a9a417e457c5.html

From the Missoulian article:

The letter is dated Dec. 1 and directed to incoming President Seth Bodnar and Athletic Director Kent Haslam. The faculty members ask UM to "ideally" reconsider the decision. But, "beyond that," they suggest Hauck be required to schedule forums with faculty and students to address their concerns.

Are they going to ask Hauck what he eats for dinner? Because the way they've gone after him, anything he eats could be detrimental to UM's image. :roll:

"Bobby Hauck ate a cheeseburger, fries, and a green salad at the Iron Horse! He's making UM look like we don't care about vegan animal rights!!" :shock:

 

[PlayerRep]

Here’s a link to the Kaimin article: http://www.montanakaimin.com/features/asset-or-liability-bobby-hauck-s-controversial-return-to-um/article_de551310-db75-11e7-b412-dbef348385d4.html

Here’s an interesting Missoulian article: http://missoulian.com/news/local/letter-from-some-university-of-montana-faculty-ask-for-reconsideration/article_1930c723-7c0d-5223-8907-a9a417e457c5.html

From the Missoulian article:

The letter is dated Dec. 1 and directed to incoming President Seth Bodnar and Athletic Director Kent Haslam. The faculty members ask UM to "ideally" reconsider the decision. But, "beyond that," they suggest Hauck be required to schedule forums with faculty and students to address their concerns.

Are they going to ask Hauck what he eats for dinner? Because the way they've gone after him, anything he eats could be detrimental to UM's image. :roll:

"Bobby Hauck ate a cheeseburger, fries, and a green salad at the Iron Horse! He's making UM look like we don't care about vegan animal rights!!" :shock:

Does anyone have a link to the letter? I'd like to review and rebut it.

This quote from the article about the letter is just a myth, and not accurate.

"The letter said Hauck's tenure contributed to the climate that resulted in federal investigations at UM for failure to properly handle sexual assaults and "horrible consequences ... in terms of enrollment and reputation." Faculty pointed in part to his recruitment of players "implicated and convicted of sexual assault."

Wonder what their support is for the "contributed to the climate" statement? I can't imagine that they have facts to back up that statement. To my knowledge, there were zero sexual assault issues with players during Hauck's 7 years. Certainly none in the paper.

Sorry, only recruited one player (Donaldson) who was convicted about 2.5 years after Hauck left for UNLV.

As I have said, Pflu recruited JJ. Had known him and his dad for years. JJ committed after Pflu was the coach. And, JJ was not thrown out of school by UM, never lost his scholarship, and was acquitted (of what many people thought was a bogus charge). Again, Hauck had nothing to do with that. He had been at UNLV for 3 years by that time. I sat through much of the trial. The trial was effectively over after the accuser testified. No way he was not going to be acquitted.

If this letter shows the level of research, scholarship and honesty of these faculty members, they should all be fired immediately. They are perpetuating a fairy tale. Their level of scholarship and fact-gathering is pathetic.

 

[bgbigdog]

Am perfectly fine with Hauck addressing concerns of the community, faculty & students in open forums.

That said, I think it would also make sense if the faculty did a bunch symposiums on what they were doing to make their disciplines & degree programs more relevant to prospective students given the academic culture seems to have contributed its share to the significant decline in enrollment @ the university.

#irrelevant

 

[argh!]

Am perfectly fine with Hauck addressing concerns of the community, faculty & students in open forums.

That said, I think it would also make sense if the faculty did a bunch symposiums on what they were doing to make their disciplines & degree programs more relevant to prospective students given the academic culture seems to have contributed its share to the significant decline in enrollment @ the university.

#irrelevant

oh, they all know how to sing and dance about their importance, whether it really exists or not. i say that as someone who has spent a big chunk of his life as a faculty member. there are a few who are genuine academics, inquisitive people who have a good grasp of their place in the world. these folks can generally be found at the best universities. then there are the rest, who survive by being popular with students or with 'upper administration', which mostly consists of semi-successful former professors.

i could go on and on, but i just did, all without the use of my question mark, which, as has been noted, is broken.