NFL Combine Information

[PlayerRep]

I don't agree with those that minimize or trivialize the bench press. The NFL isn't clueless or out-to-lunch. Most people are pretty smart in billion dollar businesses. They know that the ability to push away opponents (bench press) is a criticial part of the game.

Didn't Wags have a shoulder injury earlier in his career? Might account for a less than stellar lift.

Too bad the pussykiller is unable to read and understand your post.

 

[grizcountry420]

Tevin McDonald from EWU had a nice showing..

40 yd dash: 4.63
Bench: 19
Vertical: 33
Broad: 112
3 Cone: 7.01
20yd Shut: 4.26

 

[pussycatkillerz]

I don't agree with those that minimize or trivialize the bench press. The NFL isn't clueless or out-to-lunch. Most people are pretty smart in billion dollar businesses. They know that the ability to push away opponents (bench press) is a criticial part of the game.

Didn't Wags have a shoulder injury earlier in his career? Might account for a less than stellar lift.

Too bad the pussykiller is unable to read and understand your post.

I understood his post just fine.
Whether an old injury is the cause of his poor upper body strength or not is besides the point.
The fact is he has a glaring weakness.

I'll be surprised if he plays on Biermann's level.
We shall see.

 

[Raider]

Spin it however you guys want, but 14 reps is incredibly low.

I am shocked he did the test if he knew he would be anywhere near that. Don’t know who was advising him, but he should have just opted out until his pro day.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

You all miss the point of what made Wags great, speed. By being as fast as he was makes up for any of your strength theories. He gained leverage against the best by being fast and strong enough, something I think the NFL loves.
Look at his speed and agility times.

Your point is well taken. ZW was very successful at getting to the QB at the FCS level. And ultimately, that skill is what will keep him employed in the NFL regardless of his bench press. But make no mistake, he will get downgraded by some scouts because of his poor BP results at the combine. Getting leverage and beating a FCS OT is a lot easier than beating a NFL OT that in many cases is both quick and strong. ZW played well in that Post Season All-Star game too. Unfortunately, his sacks came against that EWU OT which some GMs could minimize now while re-thinking the strength component to ZW's game. IMO, I think this guy has what it takes to be Pass Rush Specialist in the NFL. Time will tell.....

 

[dupuyer griz]

God you're an idiot. That total body push your talking about comes from a strong core, legs and back. The gyms in this country are littered with dopes that can bench over 300 but can't squat or deadlift 400. I suspect you're one of them. Deadlift and squat are a much, much, much more important lift for measuring strength than bench press for pretty much any athlete and I suspect that wags has a pretty healthy deadlift and strong back which is why he can run through blocks.

Look, whether you like it or not the BenchPress is the benchmark for measuring muscle endurance, explosiveness and overall work ethic in the gym.
Two 246 lb defensive lineman (Biermann and Waggs) having benches 15 reps apart shows drastically different work ethics and could be a valuable tool for determining the level of success either would have transitioning from the BigSky to the NFL.
Squats would be pretty much pointless to measure. I know very good squatters who couldn't jump 4 inches off the ground if their life depended on it. Vertical jump, Standing Broad jump and the 40yd dash are far better to determine a players lower/core capability.

Why don't you get some real information before you post BS like work ethic in the gym? I'm starting to agree with what another poster said about you earlier.

What do you call 10 lawyers at the bottom of a lake?

A good start!

 

[pussycatkillerz]

Look, whether you like it or not the BenchPress is the benchmark for measuring muscle endurance, explosiveness and overall work ethic in the gym.
Two 246 lb defensive lineman (Biermann and Waggs) having benches 15 reps apart shows drastically different work ethics and could be a valuable tool for determining the level of success either would have transitioning from the BigSky to the NFL.
Squats would be pretty much pointless to measure. I know very good squatters who couldn't jump 4 inches off the ground if their life depended on it. Vertical jump, Standing Broad jump and the 40yd dash are far better to determine a players lower/core capability.

Why don't you get some real information before you post BS like work ethic in the gym? I'm starting to agree with what another poster said about you earlier.

What do you call 10 lawyers at the bottom of a lake?

A good start!

bingo, boom bam bing

 

[PlayerRep]

I don't agree with those that minimize or trivialize the bench press. The NFL isn't clueless or out-to-lunch. Most people are pretty smart in billion dollar businesses. They know that the ability to push away opponents (bench press) is a criticial part of the game.

Didn't Wags have a shoulder injury earlier in his career? Might account for a less than stellar lift.

Too bad the pussykiller is unable to read and understand your post.

I understood his post just fine.
Whether an old injury is the cause of his poor upper body strength or not is besides the point.
The fact is he has a glaring weakness.

I'll be surprised if he plays on Biermann's level.
We shall see.

No, you (and at least one other poster) didn't understand the post. You were blaming the low reps on the strength coach and/or poor work ethic. No one has said 14 reps is anything other than very low, to my knowledge. Even for a linebacker that is low.

 

[reinell30]

Has anyone heard from Wags about the his interpretation of how he did at the combine?

 

[uofmman1122]

I get the feeling PSK really likes Biermann (I mean, we all do), but I don't get why he's comparing him so closely to Wags.

Wags probably won't be asked to be an every down DE in the NFL. It's a big deal for Clowney to put up only 21 reps, because he's going to be asked to be a starter and do it all, but Zack doesn't need to worry about that right now. At best, if he really fits with a team, he might get a 2011 Aldon Smith-like role just coming in on the nickel or obvious passing situations. He can work on his strength, and there are plenty of guys who excel at speed rush who didn't have great combine bench numbers.

He's got the talent to be a solid situational pass rusher, and I don't think that's a bad place for him in the NFL.

I think it's absolutely ridiculous to question his worth ethic over a bad showing in the bench press, especially after you watched him practically live in the offensive backfield for three seasons. :roll:

 

[PlayerRep]

LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu (Honey Badger) had 4 bench reps, and he had a terrific in the NFL this year, until he tore up his knee.

 

[grizindabox]

LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu (Honey Badger) had 4 bench reps, and he had a terrific in the NFL this year, until he tore up his knee.

And the bench reps of a defensive back relate to the bench reps of a DE/OLB how?

 

[PlayerRep]

LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu (Honey Badger) had 4 bench reps, and he had a terrific in the NFL this year, until he tore up his knee.

And the bench reps of a defensive back relate to the bench reps of a DE/OLB how?

It shows that at least one person was able to have very very low reps (4), still get drafted, and have a terrific rookie season. I assume you to know enough about football to understand the point.

 

[grizindabox]

LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu (Honey Badger) had 4 bench reps, and he had a terrific in the NFL this year, until he tore up his knee.

And the bench reps of a defensive back relate to the bench reps of a DE/OLB how?

It shows that at least one person was able to have very very low reps (4), still get drafted, and have a terrific rookie season. I assume you to know enough about football to understand the point.

I also know enough about football to realize that a DB and a DE/OLB require a slightly different skill set...

 

[PlayerRep]

LSU cornerback Tyrann Mathieu (Honey Badger) had 4 bench reps, and he had a terrific in the NFL this year, until he tore up his knee.

And the bench reps of a defensive back relate to the bench reps of a DE/OLB how?

It shows that at least one person was able to have very very low reps (4), still get drafted, and have a terrific rookie season. I assume you to know enough about football to understand the point.

I also know enough about football to realize that a DB and a DE/OLB require a slightly different skill set...

Well it's great that you know that (as does every single poster on this board), but that had and has absolutely nothing to do with why I provided the information. So, I'll ask you some questions. Why would you ask such an irrelevant question? Why do you still not understand why I provided the information?

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

And the bench reps of a defensive back relate to the bench reps of a DE/OLB how?

It shows that at least one person was able to have very very low reps (4), still get drafted, and have a terrific rookie season. I assume you to know enough about football to understand the point.

I also know enough about football to realize that a DB and a DE/OLB require a slightly different skill set...

Well it's great that you know that (as does every single poster on this board), but that had and has absolutely nothing to do with why I provided the information. So, I'll ask you some questions. Why would you ask such an irrelevant question? Why do you still not understand why I provided the information?

PR, pretty sure his point is that a DE/OLB doing 14 reps is not the same as a DB doing 14 reps and if you are trying to justify Waggs number with Mathieu's number, it is comparing apples to oranges. Why would you supply such an irrelevant comparison?

 

[CV Griz Fan]

It shows that at least one person was able to have very very low reps (4), still get drafted, and have a terrific rookie season. I assume you to know enough about football to understand the point.

I also know enough about football to realize that a DB and a DE/OLB require a slightly different skill set...

Well it's great that you know that (as does every single poster on this board), but that had and has absolutely nothing to do with why I provided the information. So, I'll ask you some questions. Why would you ask such an irrelevant question? Why do you still not understand why I provided the information?

PR, pretty sure his point is that a DE/OLB doing 14 reps is not the same as a DB doing 14 reps and if you are trying to justify Waggs number with Mathieu's number, it is comparing apples to oranges. Why would you supply such an irrelevant comparison?

Good post Helena. I am not here to argue with anybody( surprise, surprise) but this thread has gone in some weird directions. Let's just bring the thread back to reality by introducing facts-

ZW's bench performance at the combine was bad. There is nothing else to say.
The bench press is a key strength indicator for the NFL. Why? Because they determine what's important to them. All this arguing about the squat or dead lift is irrelevant.
Is ZW's NFL career ruined because of this? Probably not. But hopefully he is motivated to improve his bench results.
Does a DB benching 4 reps on the BP have any relationship to ZW's poor performance? No. But a DB benching 19, 20 or 21 reps makes ZW look weak. See Tevin McDonald. That's just reality.
Is ZW a talented pass rusher? His history has proved that at the FCS level.
Did ZW have some good quickness results at the combine? Yes he did. That's reality.
Will ZW be a good pro pass rusher? Only time will tell.....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The bench press is a key strength indicator for the NFL. Why? Because they determine what's important to them. All this arguing about the squat or dead lift is irrelevant.

THANK YOU! The NFL could say the ability to bake a cake is the most important attribute. It doesn't make it right, but it means you had better get your ass in the kitchen if you want to play.

 

[EverettGriz]

The bench press is a key strength indicator for the NFL. Why? Because they determine what's important to them. All this arguing about the squat or dead lift is irrelevant.

THANK YOU! The NFL could say the ability to bake a cake is the most important attribute. It doesn't make it right, but it means you had better get your ass in the kitchen if you want to play.

If I were a GM, and I was paying some fat ass 8.7 a year, he'd better damn well bake me a cake now and again.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

The bench press is a key strength indicator for the NFL. Why? Because they determine what's important to them. All this arguing about the squat or dead lift is irrelevant.

THANK YOU! The NFL could say the ability to bake a cake is the most important attribute. It doesn't make it right, but it means you had better get your ass in the kitchen if you want to play.

If I were a GM, and I was paying some fat ass 8.7 a year, he'd better damn well bake me a cake now and again.

:lol: I think that actually goes on a fair amount.