Post Game: A mixed bag of results

[George Ferguson]

Player, I won't argue with you on that. Colt was a GREAT Grizzly, Hermie has proved himself. There's no way you're not good and still start for the Griz for 3-plus years, including not even red-shirting. The reason I say it's dumb is because I don't like trying to compare one Griz to another with that much of a gap between years. And on top of that, I'm from the school that thinks Blaine Mcelmurry and Viunce Huntsberger were both better than Colt anyway IMHO of course :thumb:

 

[PlayerRep]

Question for Oregongriz. You said last year's team would have beaten this year's Wyoming squad. Correct? But you also said you thought that the Griz speed looked slow. You do realize, offensively, at the skill positions, it's almost ENTIRELY the same team?? Correct? So are you saying Jamal Jones, Jordan Canada, Travon Van and JJ got slower over the last nine months? Do you have any actual physical proof of this? Do you have last season's 40 times, or shuttle drill times to compare to this season's? I'm just curious how an entire offense could get slower over the course of nine months, even though all they've done in that nine months is work hard at getting stronger and faster. That just doesn't add up.

And Gamboa and Whitted are faster than the players who played those positions last year. And Wags looks faster/quicker than last year. He's intentionally a bit lighter, and has gotten stronger. Wags is a beast. Team speed is better this year than last year, especially on defense.

 

[PlayerRep]

Player, I won't argue with you on that. Colt was a GREAT Grizzly, Hermie has proved himself. There's no way you're not good and still start for the Griz for 3-plus years, including not even red-shirting. The reason I say it's dumb is because I don't like trying to compare one Griz to another with that much of a gap between years. And on top of that, I'm from the school that thinks Blaine Mcelmurry and Viunce Huntsberger were both better than Colt anyway IMHO of course :thumb:

I didn't comment one way or another whether the comparison was dumb. I just believe it's accurate, in terms of both of them as college players. Colt had alot of very hard hits, but he also missed not infrequently. Hermie is also a good hitter, but doesn't hit as hard as Colt.

 

[PlayerRep]

This wasn't Iowa St. like ND St. dominated today. Wyoming is not a good team. It is no where near Arkansas St. that the Bobcats played today. I would be concerned if I were you guys.

lol

We lost to an FBS team by 5. You're an idiot.

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

You are an idiot. Your posts make no sense. Stop posting on egriz.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Well then I think that's dumb on Ty's part to make that comparison. So yeah, my fault. Never saw that quote. HAVING said that, just because Matt isn't Colt, doesn't make him anything less than what he is, a two-time Big Sky All-Conference performer (Which he can only get votes from the OTHER Big Sky coaches, and their opinions of Hermy mean a hell of a lot more to me than any on Egriz), as well as a 2014 FCS All-American candidate and one of the unquestioned leaders of the Griz' defense. That's good enough for me all day long. Just like Beau Baldwin, Rob Ash and Mike Kramer's opinion of Hermy carry about 1,000 times more weight than any Egriz' poster's opinion of him does.

Gregorak's comparison is actually spot on, in my view. Hermansen is avery good safety. Colt became a great player at UM and has had a nice NFL career, but he missed lots of tackles at UM and probably more than Hermansen does.

Okay great PR. Colt is an NFL player. Please don't tell me that you are saying that Hermanson
Is an NFL talent? You seem to be diminishing Anderson's accomplishments by saying that he missed all of those tackles, no? Anderson's game film speaks for it's self....

 

[CDAGRIZ]

This wasn't Iowa St. like ND St. dominated today. Wyoming is not a good team. It is no where near Arkansas St. that the Bobcats played today. I would be concerned if I were you guys.

lol

We lost to an FBS team by 5. You're an idiot.

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

As an obviously huge EWU supporter, you have to admit it's kind of satisfying to see the Bobcats get the piss beat out of them in every facet of the game, and look so shitty in the process.

 

[PlayerRep]

Looking back I thought we’d see a 19-10 Wyoming win which I simply based that upon an inexperienced Griz O-line having problems with Wyo’s d-line while the Grizzly defense would be able to do enough to keep them in the game. As it turned out the Griz lost 17-12 and those issues popped up, but what might’ve contributed more to this loss than the O-line play for the Griz was an uncharacteristically bad game from JJ and a defense that looked pretty darn good until 10:00 left (or so) in the game when they suddenly fell apart and couldn’t make tackles.

So let’s take a deep breath, realize this was an underdog game where many of us were worried about getting ripped, and take a look at a few things objectively.

1. Our defensive line is legit. Wags had a monster game, Holmes started good but an ankle sprain slowed him down. Two sacks and a few TFLs for Takai. A fumble recovery for Rehm. Wags started of his Buck Buchanan campaign with a bang. The D-line couldn’t plug every hole but save the first drive and the late 4th quarter, they were very good.

2. Our pass coverage was improved. However lets call it for what it is, Wyo’s QB is not very good, he probably wouldn’t start for nearly half of the Big Sky schools. However for a defense that was labeled as soft in coverage, allowing everything in front of them, and unable to attack the passing game they showed some good improvement. They allowed the D-line pressure to help them out, forced a pick in the endzone, and had some good stops.

3. Jordan Johnson is a warrior and plays his BEST FOOTBALL in the hurry up. It was looking pretty rough for the Grizzly offense in the 2nd half but suddenly, and just like last season, JJ is given the green light to go hurry up and move the offense. All he does is suddenly inject life into the offense and they quickly score a TD. JJ was getting blitzed and running for his life but suddenly in the hurry up Wyo couldn’t get to him in time and he found his targets.

4. The O-line did OK. Yes… I said they did OK. No I’m not saying it was great but keep in mind the discussion all week. A lot on here were saying that JJ was going to get hurt, we wouldn’t do a single thing, the OL would totally collapse and be entirely worthless. Were they? No. This was maybe the 2nd best defensive line the Griz will see this year. There were errors, breakdowns, and issues. However form what I saw, JJ had more time than I thought he would. The running game didn’t have much going but some holes were opened up. Surprisingly for all of the worry about the tackles… it was those two who had the better games and the interior line that showed more issues.

5. TraVon Van could be a make or break this season. He is the x-factor of this team and getting him out in space as a WR was an excellent move by the coaching staff. He had a handful of big plays and made both of Wyo’s starting corners look silly trying to tackle him.

6. Lots of big plays from our linebackers. Kose picks a pass, KVA and Gamboa multiple TFLs. These guys are all about the big plays, you can tell. However they need to find more consistency and their tackling late got real bad.

7. How about our TEs, especially Saylor and Ralston? JJ loves the TE and he’s showing it again as those two guys were recipients of a ton of passes and his only TD.

8. Josh Janssen turned a strong fall camp into the first receiving TD of the season. This guy is a rising Griz star, look for more and more of this guy as he gets comfy in this offense.

OK, so here we go, now let’s talk about what everyone is grumbling about. But I’m going to start where many wont.

1. This was probably one of the very worst games I’ve ever seen JJ play. How many open targets did he sling passes to that went way over their heads. For a guy that opened last season as the epitome of efficient QB play Jordan was very inaccurate and was darn lucky he didn’t throw 3 interceptions. I don’t know if it was the pressure or something else but early on he would only opt for the short passes. Once he started going downfield he was unable to find his targets. Many completed passes were even way behind WRs too. While there’s lots of areas to pick apart that contributed to this loss… JJ’s poor performance might be one of the bigger factors.

2. I expected OL issues, but I’m not going to give them a pass because inconsistencies and bad pass protection at the wrong times might explain why JJ was having such a rough time. As I said earlier it seemed to me more of the interior line was the issue. That 4th and 3 on the Wyo 40, Logan Hines lets the DT right through to sack JJ. Stunts and blitzes were effective and mostly up the middle. Other teams will take note and the interior line is going to get attacked big time until they prove otherwise.

3. I can’t blame Kfense and Gragg on playcalling because I think they were limited with the OL and JJ’s play today. However lets dissect that last Griz drive. Down 5 with a chance to take the lead we start with a handoff that’s not worked almost all day long, loss of 4. That one you could place on the coaches. Then JJ hits Saylor in the hand 15 yards up the field, Mitch starts going up field before the ball is secured and drops it. Then 3rd down JJ checks down when he should’ve probably risked a deep throw instead, and it’s nowhere near a first down. Insult to injury, Ellis was hit late with no flag. However relying upon the refs to help convert isn’t the name of the game.

4. Special teams. Ugh. Greenberg gets the nod at kicking and the PAT is rolled and then mis-held, he stops, starts, puts a foot on it, but it’s shanked. Total mess. Then a blocked punt that anyone could see coming from a mile away. Wyo was almost getting there time and time again and then they put on a full rush and Shaw’s easily blocked. It got cleaned up after that but Shaw needs to keep that faster wind up and kicking motion going. On the good side we got a blocked punt out of Peevey and clean punts caught by Nguyen… although he did fumble and recover a kickoff…

5. Tackling late in the game. The defense opened allowing a fieldgoal. It was looking like it’d be a long day. But suddenly they buckled down. Made stops, prevented first downs. For the half of the 1st qtr, all of the 2nd, and most of the 3rd the defense was stuffing the run, pressuring the QB, and forcing 3 and outs. I was beaming, the defense was showing GREAT improvement. But then… the wheels fell off. As the announcers pointed out suddenly the linebackers were not getting off their blocks and our safeties were taking real bad angles to the ball. Hermanson got called out by the Root announcers repeatedly, he went from a good first half to a real bad 4th qtr that I’m sure most egrizzers here will continue to bitch about. Suddenly the Griz couldn’t tackle, they were getting dragged down the field, the pile was driving them back multiple yards, sure fire short gainers turned into missed tackles and big gains. The defense kept the Griz in this game but when it was needed the most, it lost its edge. Again if you’re looking for “blame” look on both sides of the ball. The offense didn’t help by not being able to do much either, the D had to go out time and time again and make a stand. Also it’s hard to keep momentum going when the offense isn’t putting any points on the board.

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So lets take this for what it is, a loss that by many thought – was going to happen. There were some quirks we did not expect and some surprises that were both bad and good. We’ll have to hear word but it seems injuries were hopefully minimal and we’ve got a good D2 school coming to town that will test us but should allow the Griz to build off the positives and work on the challenges.

What becomes challenging I think for some is that a lot of us expected a loss, but suddenly its halftime and the Griz are up and the defense is looking good. We get our hopes up, but then late in the game we see the game slip out of the Grizzlies grasp. So now some of us are pissed. I’m not. I’m encouraged with some of the nice surprises in this team and I’m looking forward to seeing these guys get on track next week.

Safe travels home Griz and Griz fans – we’ve got a game to win next week! GO GRIZ!

5. Poor tacking. Hermanson got ripped last year by the broadcasters too especially during the EWU game. He cannot tackle in space. His angles are poor and breakdown technique is horrible. He will never be Colt Anderson. Move on...

Your post is not accurate. It's because of your long-term bias on safety play at UM. Hermie is a very good tackler. He has good technique. He tackles fine in space. He's a hard hitter. He was UM's second leading tackler today, with 11, and was UM's leading solo tackler with 8. He missed on a "bad" angle, after the runner got thru off tackle without being touched when one or more backers were not near the hole. Most safeties will not have the "right" angle if a runner gets thru the line untouched. He didn't make a tackle on the sideline, after good contact. Should have. He missed in the middle, when there was slight helmet to helmet contact and the runner slowed Hermie's momentum. He should have made some of those. He will in the future.

 

[IroneagleXP]

This wasn't Iowa St. like ND St. dominated today. Wyoming is not a good team. It is no where near Arkansas St. that the Bobcats played today. I would be concerned if I were you guys.

lol

We lost to an FBS team by 5. You're an idiot.

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

As an obviously huge EWU supporter, you have to admit it's kind of satisfying to see the Bobcats get the piss beat out of them in every facet of the game, and look so shitty in the process.

I don't mind the Cats, or any BSC team to be honest. I root for BSC when they aren't playing EWU. And I wouldn't get to hasty there with your judgment, ASU would have beaten the piss out of you as well.

 

[CV Griz Fan]

Looking back I thought we’d see a 19-10 Wyoming win which I simply based that upon an inexperienced Griz O-line having problems with Wyo’s d-line while the Grizzly defense would be able to do enough to keep them in the game. As it turned out the Griz lost 17-12 and those issues popped up, but what might’ve contributed more to this loss than the O-line play for the Griz was an uncharacteristically bad game from JJ and a defense that looked pretty darn good until 10:00 left (or so) in the game when they suddenly fell apart and couldn’t make tackles.

So let’s take a deep breath, realize this was an underdog game where many of us were worried about getting ripped, and take a look at a few things objectively.

1. Our defensive line is legit. Wags had a monster game, Holmes started good but an ankle sprain slowed him down. Two sacks and a few TFLs for Takai. A fumble recovery for Rehm. Wags started of his Buck Buchanan campaign with a bang. The D-line couldn’t plug every hole but save the first drive and the late 4th quarter, they were very good.

2. Our pass coverage was improved. However lets call it for what it is, Wyo’s QB is not very good, he probably wouldn’t start for nearly half of the Big Sky schools. However for a defense that was labeled as soft in coverage, allowing everything in front of them, and unable to attack the passing game they showed some good improvement. They allowed the D-line pressure to help them out, forced a pick in the endzone, and had some good stops.

3. Jordan Johnson is a warrior and plays his BEST FOOTBALL in the hurry up. It was looking pretty rough for the Grizzly offense in the 2nd half but suddenly, and just like last season, JJ is given the green light to go hurry up and move the offense. All he does is suddenly inject life into the offense and they quickly score a TD. JJ was getting blitzed and running for his life but suddenly in the hurry up Wyo couldn’t get to him in time and he found his targets.

4. The O-line did OK. Yes… I said they did OK. No I’m not saying it was great but keep in mind the discussion all week. A lot on here were saying that JJ was going to get hurt, we wouldn’t do a single thing, the OL would totally collapse and be entirely worthless. Were they? No. This was maybe the 2nd best defensive line the Griz will see this year. There were errors, breakdowns, and issues. However form what I saw, JJ had more time than I thought he would. The running game didn’t have much going but some holes were opened up. Surprisingly for all of the worry about the tackles… it was those two who had the better games and the interior line that showed more issues.

5. TraVon Van could be a make or break this season. He is the x-factor of this team and getting him out in space as a WR was an excellent move by the coaching staff. He had a handful of big plays and made both of Wyo’s starting corners look silly trying to tackle him.

6. Lots of big plays from our linebackers. Kose picks a pass, KVA and Gamboa multiple TFLs. These guys are all about the big plays, you can tell. However they need to find more consistency and their tackling late got real bad.

7. How about our TEs, especially Saylor and Ralston? JJ loves the TE and he’s showing it again as those two guys were recipients of a ton of passes and his only TD.

8. Josh Janssen turned a strong fall camp into the first receiving TD of the season. This guy is a rising Griz star, look for more and more of this guy as he gets comfy in this offense.

OK, so here we go, now let’s talk about what everyone is grumbling about. But I’m going to start where many wont.

1. This was probably one of the very worst games I’ve ever seen JJ play. How many open targets did he sling passes to that went way over their heads. For a guy that opened last season as the epitome of efficient QB play Jordan was very inaccurate and was darn lucky he didn’t throw 3 interceptions. I don’t know if it was the pressure or something else but early on he would only opt for the short passes. Once he started going downfield he was unable to find his targets. Many completed passes were even way behind WRs too. While there’s lots of areas to pick apart that contributed to this loss… JJ’s poor performance might be one of the bigger factors.

2. I expected OL issues, but I’m not going to give them a pass because inconsistencies and bad pass protection at the wrong times might explain why JJ was having such a rough time. As I said earlier it seemed to me more of the interior line was the issue. That 4th and 3 on the Wyo 40, Logan Hines lets the DT right through to sack JJ. Stunts and blitzes were effective and mostly up the middle. Other teams will take note and the interior line is going to get attacked big time until they prove otherwise.

3. I can’t blame Kfense and Gragg on playcalling because I think they were limited with the OL and JJ’s play today. However lets dissect that last Griz drive. Down 5 with a chance to take the lead we start with a handoff that’s not worked almost all day long, loss of 4. That one you could place on the coaches. Then JJ hits Saylor in the hand 15 yards up the field, Mitch starts going up field before the ball is secured and drops it. Then 3rd down JJ checks down when he should’ve probably risked a deep throw instead, and it’s nowhere near a first down. Insult to injury, Ellis was hit late with no flag. However relying upon the refs to help convert isn’t the name of the game.

4. Special teams. Ugh. Greenberg gets the nod at kicking and the PAT is rolled and then mis-held, he stops, starts, puts a foot on it, but it’s shanked. Total mess. Then a blocked punt that anyone could see coming from a mile away. Wyo was almost getting there time and time again and then they put on a full rush and Shaw’s easily blocked. It got cleaned up after that but Shaw needs to keep that faster wind up and kicking motion going. On the good side we got a blocked punt out of Peevey and clean punts caught by Nguyen… although he did fumble and recover a kickoff…

5. Tackling late in the game. The defense opened allowing a fieldgoal. It was looking like it’d be a long day. But suddenly they buckled down. Made stops, prevented first downs. For the half of the 1st qtr, all of the 2nd, and most of the 3rd the defense was stuffing the run, pressuring the QB, and forcing 3 and outs. I was beaming, the defense was showing GREAT improvement. But then… the wheels fell off. As the announcers pointed out suddenly the linebackers were not getting off their blocks and our safeties were taking real bad angles to the ball. Hermanson got called out by the Root announcers repeatedly, he went from a good first half to a real bad 4th qtr that I’m sure most egrizzers here will continue to bitch about. Suddenly the Griz couldn’t tackle, they were getting dragged down the field, the pile was driving them back multiple yards, sure fire short gainers turned into missed tackles and big gains. The defense kept the Griz in this game but when it was needed the most, it lost its edge. Again if you’re looking for “blame” look on both sides of the ball. The offense didn’t help by not being able to do much either, the D had to go out time and time again and make a stand. Also it’s hard to keep momentum going when the offense isn’t putting any points on the board.

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So lets take this for what it is, a loss that by many thought – was going to happen. There were some quirks we did not expect and some surprises that were both bad and good. We’ll have to hear word but it seems injuries were hopefully minimal and we’ve got a good D2 school coming to town that will test us but should allow the Griz to build off the positives and work on the challenges.

What becomes challenging I think for some is that a lot of us expected a loss, but suddenly its halftime and the Griz are up and the defense is looking good. We get our hopes up, but then late in the game we see the game slip out of the Grizzlies grasp. So now some of us are pissed. I’m not. I’m encouraged with some of the nice surprises in this team and I’m looking forward to seeing these guys get on track next week.

Safe travels home Griz and Griz fans – we’ve got a game to win next week! GO GRIZ!

5. Poor tacking. Hermanson got ripped last year by the broadcasters too especially during the EWU game. He cannot tackle in space. His angles are poor and breakdown technique is horrible. He will never be Colt Anderson. Move on...

Your post is not accurate. It's because of your long-term bias on safety play at UM. Hermie is a very good tackler. He has good technique. He tackles fine in space. He's a hard hitter. He was UM's second leading tackler today, with 11, and was UM's leading solo tackler with 8. He missed on a "bad" angle, after the runner got thru off tackle without being touched when one or more backers were not near the hole. Most safeties will not have the "right" angle if a runner gets thru the line untouched. He didn't make a tackle on the sideline, after good contact. Should have. He missed in the middle, when there was slight helmet to helmet contact and the runner slowed Hermie's momentum. He should have made some of those. He will in the future.

Great. Me and the broadcasters are wrong. But please answer the question, is Hermanson an NFL talent like Colt?

 

[bigkid]

lol

We lost to an FBS team by 5. You're an idiot.

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

As an obviously huge EWU supporter, you have to admit it's kind of satisfying to see the Bobcats get the piss beat out of them in every facet of the game, and look so shitty in the process.

I don't mind the Cats, or any BSC team to be honest. I root for BSC when they aren't playing EWU. And I wouldn't get to hasty there with your judgment, ASU would have beaten the piss out of you as well.

So ASU would have beat the piss out of you as well....

 

[IroneagleXP]

First game is always a bit shaky. If you guys hold true to form, your team will come along just fine, and be in a great position to make a playoff run. I wouldn't worry too much. I was glad to see Henderson out there today. The guy is a straight up beast and will have a huge year.

 

[IroneagleXP]

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

As an obviously huge EWU supporter, you have to admit it's kind of satisfying to see the Bobcats get the piss beat out of them in every facet of the game, and look so shitty in the process.

I don't mind the Cats, or any BSC team to be honest. I root for BSC when they aren't playing EWU. And I wouldn't get to hasty there with your judgment, ASU would have beaten the piss out of you as well.

So ASU would have beat the piss out of you as well....

I hate to say it but yes. They are on a totally different level athletically.

 

[CDAGRIZ]

lol

We lost to an FBS team by 5. You're an idiot.

LOL...I think the point he is trying to make is that, yea, you played an FBS team today, but one analagous to team like UC davis or ISU. Certainly not a power house. Probably not even middle of the pack at the FBS level. While on the other hand, Iowa st and Ark St are not shitty FBS teams, and they would absolutely crush Wyoming. Now, whatever point he was trying to make past that is moot. You can't say that since NDSU beat iowa st they would beat the griz because Iowa st is better than Wyoming, blah blah blah. What is for certain is that Wyoming was less of an FBS challenge than other teams (NDSU, MSU, etc) were playing today, which is reflected in the scores, as you only lost by 5 points, and were legit contenders the whole game.

As an obviously huge EWU supporter, you have to admit it's kind of satisfying to see the Bobcats get the piss beat out of them in every facet of the game, and look so shitty in the process.

I don't mind the Cats, or any BSC team to be honest. I root for BSC when they aren't playing EWU. And I wouldn't get to hasty there with your judgment, ASU would have beaten the piss out of you as well.

I don't think you could be more obvious if you bathed in cat pee.

EDIT: You probably do.

 

[PlayerRep]

A 5 point loss to a decent FBS team is a positive, and giving up only 301 total yards. However, UM left one on the table today. Should have won. I agree that Wyo. isn't a great team. Neither was UM today, altho the defense was good but not great. Also, no turnovers and few penalties are positives.

JJ was a bit off, or more than a bit off, today. Probably also impacted by the wind, and by the relative pressure from Wyo. Only sacked once, but he was hurried often, especially in the first half. Seemed not to look down field a few times when he could have.

The o-line and linebackers need to improve. Wyo. was taking away the run, but the run game was almost non-existent. Receiver, I think Jannsen, should have tried to get back foot down first on 2-point conversion, but perhaps was not possible. The o-line didn't fall apart, but they made alot of mistakes. The center ignored the guy in front of him on what I think was the only sack. Pulling linemen tripped a time or two. Lineman seemed to make incorrect decisions on blocking wide a few times. A work in progress.

Lots of mistakes. Things like Henderson not running straight ahead to pick up a first down, when he tried to go wide. Saylor dropping easy pass when looking up field too soon. Center ignoring the guy in front of him and not blocking anyone else. False start by Theibes on 1st down late in game. Too many missed tackles. I missed the extra point, so didn't see how it occurred. Blocked punt.

Lots of nice plays, especially on defense. 6 sacks. 9 TFL. Wow. Partially blocked punt. Gave up 92 passing yards on 13-21-1, with a long of 14.

Thought we should have done more of the short passing game, to avoid the rush, and a bit less running. We started the game that way, and then tried to run a bit too much, in my view. Should have done the bubble and go, without a roll out. I would have had JJ roll out a few more times.

There are many things to approve. I was hoping we'd be better, especially on offense, but no real surprise that o-line and backers need more work and improvement.

Van is very difficult to tackle in space. Nice to see Henderson in action. Ralston really ran over the d-back on his d-back. He's going to be very good.

 

[PlayerRep]

Looking back I thought we’d see a 19-10 Wyoming win which I simply based that upon an inexperienced Griz O-line having problems with Wyo’s d-line while the Grizzly defense would be able to do enough to keep them in the game. As it turned out the Griz lost 17-12 and those issues popped up, but what might’ve contributed more to this loss than the O-line play for the Griz was an uncharacteristically bad game from JJ and a defense that looked pretty darn good until 10:00 left (or so) in the game when they suddenly fell apart and couldn’t make tackles.

So let’s take a deep breath, realize this was an underdog game where many of us were worried about getting ripped, and take a look at a few things objectively.

1. Our defensive line is legit. Wags had a monster game, Holmes started good but an ankle sprain slowed him down. Two sacks and a few TFLs for Takai. A fumble recovery for Rehm. Wags started of his Buck Buchanan campaign with a bang. The D-line couldn’t plug every hole but save the first drive and the late 4th quarter, they were very good.

2. Our pass coverage was improved. However lets call it for what it is, Wyo’s QB is not very good, he probably wouldn’t start for nearly half of the Big Sky schools. However for a defense that was labeled as soft in coverage, allowing everything in front of them, and unable to attack the passing game they showed some good improvement. They allowed the D-line pressure to help them out, forced a pick in the endzone, and had some good stops.

3. Jordan Johnson is a warrior and plays his BEST FOOTBALL in the hurry up. It was looking pretty rough for the Grizzly offense in the 2nd half but suddenly, and just like last season, JJ is given the green light to go hurry up and move the offense. All he does is suddenly inject life into the offense and they quickly score a TD. JJ was getting blitzed and running for his life but suddenly in the hurry up Wyo couldn’t get to him in time and he found his targets.

4. The O-line did OK. Yes… I said they did OK. No I’m not saying it was great but keep in mind the discussion all week. A lot on here were saying that JJ was going to get hurt, we wouldn’t do a single thing, the OL would totally collapse and be entirely worthless. Were they? No. This was maybe the 2nd best defensive line the Griz will see this year. There were errors, breakdowns, and issues. However form what I saw, JJ had more time than I thought he would. The running game didn’t have much going but some holes were opened up. Surprisingly for all of the worry about the tackles… it was those two who had the better games and the interior line that showed more issues.

5. TraVon Van could be a make or break this season. He is the x-factor of this team and getting him out in space as a WR was an excellent move by the coaching staff. He had a handful of big plays and made both of Wyo’s starting corners look silly trying to tackle him.

6. Lots of big plays from our linebackers. Kose picks a pass, KVA and Gamboa multiple TFLs. These guys are all about the big plays, you can tell. However they need to find more consistency and their tackling late got real bad.

7. How about our TEs, especially Saylor and Ralston? JJ loves the TE and he’s showing it again as those two guys were recipients of a ton of passes and his only TD.

8. Josh Janssen turned a strong fall camp into the first receiving TD of the season. This guy is a rising Griz star, look for more and more of this guy as he gets comfy in this offense.

OK, so here we go, now let’s talk about what everyone is grumbling about. But I’m going to start where many wont.

1. This was probably one of the very worst games I’ve ever seen JJ play. How many open targets did he sling passes to that went way over their heads. For a guy that opened last season as the epitome of efficient QB play Jordan was very inaccurate and was darn lucky he didn’t throw 3 interceptions. I don’t know if it was the pressure or something else but early on he would only opt for the short passes. Once he started going downfield he was unable to find his targets. Many completed passes were even way behind WRs too. While there’s lots of areas to pick apart that contributed to this loss… JJ’s poor performance might be one of the bigger factors.

2. I expected OL issues, but I’m not going to give them a pass because inconsistencies and bad pass protection at the wrong times might explain why JJ was having such a rough time. As I said earlier it seemed to me more of the interior line was the issue. That 4th and 3 on the Wyo 40, Logan Hines lets the DT right through to sack JJ. Stunts and blitzes were effective and mostly up the middle. Other teams will take note and the interior line is going to get attacked big time until they prove otherwise.

3. I can’t blame Kfense and Gragg on playcalling because I think they were limited with the OL and JJ’s play today. However lets dissect that last Griz drive. Down 5 with a chance to take the lead we start with a handoff that’s not worked almost all day long, loss of 4. That one you could place on the coaches. Then JJ hits Saylor in the hand 15 yards up the field, Mitch starts going up field before the ball is secured and drops it. Then 3rd down JJ checks down when he should’ve probably risked a deep throw instead, and it’s nowhere near a first down. Insult to injury, Ellis was hit late with no flag. However relying upon the refs to help convert isn’t the name of the game.

4. Special teams. Ugh. Greenberg gets the nod at kicking and the PAT is rolled and then mis-held, he stops, starts, puts a foot on it, but it’s shanked. Total mess. Then a blocked punt that anyone could see coming from a mile away. Wyo was almost getting there time and time again and then they put on a full rush and Shaw’s easily blocked. It got cleaned up after that but Shaw needs to keep that faster wind up and kicking motion going. On the good side we got a blocked punt out of Peevey and clean punts caught by Nguyen… although he did fumble and recover a kickoff…

5. Tackling late in the game. The defense opened allowing a fieldgoal. It was looking like it’d be a long day. But suddenly they buckled down. Made stops, prevented first downs. For the half of the 1st qtr, all of the 2nd, and most of the 3rd the defense was stuffing the run, pressuring the QB, and forcing 3 and outs. I was beaming, the defense was showing GREAT improvement. But then… the wheels fell off. As the announcers pointed out suddenly the linebackers were not getting off their blocks and our safeties were taking real bad angles to the ball. Hermanson got called out by the Root announcers repeatedly, he went from a good first half to a real bad 4th qtr that I’m sure most egrizzers here will continue to bitch about. Suddenly the Griz couldn’t tackle, they were getting dragged down the field, the pile was driving them back multiple yards, sure fire short gainers turned into missed tackles and big gains. The defense kept the Griz in this game but when it was needed the most, it lost its edge. Again if you’re looking for “blame” look on both sides of the ball. The offense didn’t help by not being able to do much either, the D had to go out time and time again and make a stand. Also it’s hard to keep momentum going when the offense isn’t putting any points on the board.

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So lets take this for what it is, a loss that by many thought – was going to happen. There were some quirks we did not expect and some surprises that were both bad and good. We’ll have to hear word but it seems injuries were hopefully minimal and we’ve got a good D2 school coming to town that will test us but should allow the Griz to build off the positives and work on the challenges.

What becomes challenging I think for some is that a lot of us expected a loss, but suddenly its halftime and the Griz are up and the defense is looking good. We get our hopes up, but then late in the game we see the game slip out of the Grizzlies grasp. So now some of us are pissed. I’m not. I’m encouraged with some of the nice surprises in this team and I’m looking forward to seeing these guys get on track next week.

Safe travels home Griz and Griz fans – we’ve got a game to win next week! GO GRIZ!

5. Poor tacking. Hermanson got ripped last year by the broadcasters too especially during the EWU game. He cannot tackle in space. His angles are poor and breakdown technique is horrible. He will never be Colt Anderson. Move on...

Your post is not accurate. It's because of your long-term bias on safety play at UM. Hermie is a very good tackler. He has good technique. He tackles fine in space. He's a hard hitter. He was UM's second leading tackler today, with 11, and was UM's leading solo tackler with 8. He missed on a "bad" angle, after the runner got thru off tackle without being touched when one or more backers were not near the hole. Most safeties will not have the "right" angle if a runner gets thru the line untouched. He didn't make a tackle on the sideline, after good contact. Should have. He missed in the middle, when there was slight helmet to helmet contact and the runner slowed Hermie's momentum. He should have made some of those. He will in the future.

Great. Me and the broadcasters are wrong. But please answer the question, is Hermanson an NFL talent like Colt?

Yes, you and announcers are frequently wrong. Don't know on NFL talent. I'm better at judging college talent (and "cheating" by talking/listening to coaches about college talent).

 

[RayWill]

False start by Theibes on 1st down late in game. Too many missed tackles. I missed the extra point, so didn't see how it occurred. Blocked punt.

Poor snap, bumbled held and a miss wide about 5 feet to the left. The whole thing was possibly the worst play of the game.

 

[PlayerRep]

False start by Theibes on 1st down late in game. Too many missed tackles. I missed the extra point, so didn't see how it occurred. Blocked punt.

Poor snap, bumbled held and a miss wide about 5 feet to the left. The whole thing was possibly the worst play of the game.

Thanks. Was the regular snapper snapping?

 

[RayWill]

False start by Theibes on 1st down late in game. Too many missed tackles. I missed the extra point, so didn't see how it occurred. Blocked punt.

Poor snap, bumbled held and a miss wide about 5 feet to the left. The whole thing was possibly the worst play of the game.

Thanks. Was the regular snapper snapping?

I didn't catch who was snapping on that play.

Also of note though was that I saw Wyer go out in the first and don't think he returned. Also I heard that Hermenson might be out for a week

 

[CV Griz Fan]

5. Poor tacking. Hermanson got ripped last year by the broadcasters too especially during the EWU game. He cannot tackle in space. His angles are poor and breakdown technique is horrible. He will never be Colt Anderson. Move on...

Your post is not accurate. It's because of your long-term bias on safety play at UM. Hermie is a very good tackler. He has good technique. He tackles fine in space. He's a hard hitter. He was UM's second leading tackler today, with 11, and was UM's leading solo tackler with 8. He missed on a "bad" angle, after the runner got thru off tackle without being touched when one or more backers were not near the hole. Most safeties will not have the "right" angle if a runner gets thru the line untouched. He didn't make a tackle on the sideline, after good contact. Should have. He missed in the middle, when there was slight helmet to helmet contact and the runner slowed Hermie's momentum. He should have made some of those. He will in the future.

Great. Me and the broadcasters are wrong. But please answer the question, is Hermanson an NFL talent like Colt?

Yes, you and announcers are frequently wrong. Don't know on NFL talent. I'm better at judging college talent (and "cheating" by talking/listening to coaches about college talent).

So is that a no? PR you're a great poster but you are not all knowing. Your non-scholarship days of playing college football a generation ago have lost it's luster. Were you drafted by the NFL/ AFL, where you a Streets and Smith's top 100 college football player? Off course not.... Were you a USA Eagle alternate in Rugby, did you play for the Pacific Coast Grizzlies Rep side? Did you play rugby for any power team like OMBAC, Belmont Shores, Life College or the Denver Barbarians? If you did, send me an Motherfu....PM. Otherwise STFU.
PR you have a Stanford Law degree. That's great but it's not like it's from Boalt. Please get over yourself.... I will talk rugby and football anytime you want if you got the guts.

 

[griz4life]

That was a winnable game for Montana had

1. special teams been even average, which has not been the case for this staff's tenure. The blown extra point was one thing, but the blocked punt was terrible and we topped it off by going for it on fourth and seven. Have to think special teams played a role there. After the game, Wyoming ' s announcers thought the turnover on downs was the turning point and a peculiar choice by the Griz.
You could feel that Wyoming coming off the bench had a new sense of urgency. The hadn't scored a touchdown and really looked flat.
2. The Pokes still probably don't score on that drive without the pass interference call and the horse collar call. The Griz got away with a horse collar earlier. But the one that kept the offense moving for Wyoming was a killer. Once that Griz assisted score was on the board, the second one was easy.

Our middle linebacker was getting sealed off badly in the second half. Say what you want about Hermy, there is no excuse for him making as many run stops as he had to. The middle linebacker was nonexistent at times.
3.JJ took some hard hits in that game. I'll bet he's feeling it now. A couple of them looked pretty late.
He had several second and third options that he just didn't have much time to check.
4. The lightning delay was a killer for momentum and gave coach Bohl extra time to get his offense on the right page.