This has to be said... about this years recruiting class

[AllWeatherFan]

I think it's kind of special that the Cat fans are now big Bobby Hauck fans as well! :roll:

The thing is, you haven't even seen Stitt's 2015 recruiting class yet, BECAUSE THEY ALMOST ALL RED-SHIRTED! I'm looking forward to getting those guys, as well as this year's recruits, on the field. I see some great athletes in the pipeline.

Yeah, I think we all understand that recruiting classes always look good "on paper." But I think there are some Cat fans out there who are in denial. That's okay, it's just the first stage of grief. :lol:

 

[Bear Axed]

Really? The state of Texas ALONE produces roughly 1,300 3, 4 and 5 star football players each graduating class. Each year roughly 350 of those sign with FBS schools. That leaves a LOT of star-rated players looking for homes. And if star ratings aren't very accurate, how come Alabama has so many 5 star and 4 star players on their team, and lead all of college football with players in the NFL?

Star ratings might be wrong (or missing) on athletes from some of the less densely populated areas, but I'm pretty sure the rating agencies are fairly accurate in the more populated states like California, Texas, Arizona, Pennsylvania, etc., etc.

This article is a bit dated, but read it and then tell me star rating isn't accurate:

http://athlonsports.com/nfl/nfl-draft-do-recruiting-rankings-matter

That would fit the 'being very liberal with their ratings' point that I made.

Interesting that your article says there are 1,150 players in the nation with 3-4-5 star ratings. Yet you say that there are 1,300 in Texas alone.

Read the article again. It says there are 1,150 players signed by FBS Schools with 3-4-5 star ratings.

Using a 3,000-player pool for any given year (25 scholarships x 124 FBS teams = 3,100 prospects), here is how an average recruiting class looks: Five-Stars: 25-30 per year Four-Stars: 275-325 per year Three-Stars: 700-800 per year Two-Stars: 1,600-1,800 per year.

That absolutely backs up my point that many go overlooked/unsigned by FBS schools.

The recruiting service Scout currently has 31-5 star, 360-4 star and 1,250 3-star players. That's 1,441 players rated at 3-star or better. You said that Texas alone has 1,300.

FBS schools also sign a lot of 2-star and no star players. Looks like a good 300 3-star players are passed over by FBS schools and replaced by 2-star and no-star players for the other 1,500+ spots. So, again, I'll say that if you're a 3-star you should end up getting a scholarship from a FBS school. There are 3,100 open scholarships per year for FBS schools, yet they only take 1,150 of the 1,440 3-4-5 star rated players available.

Hey kitty fan and :msugrad: your kiity mis-information tactics really arent working here....
Get it?

everyone here sees right through you....


don't you kittie fans have some star trek "New Frontier" episodes that your coaches need help in critiquing?

 

[grizindabox]

Objectively, I am not all that impressed with this class.

That makes me feel so much better.....subjectively....of course....

 

[HelenaHandBasket]

I am not sure how many of you are being productive today, since it seems you have one hand on your junk and the other on the keyboard posting about how excited you are about a bunch of high school boys.

 

[Bear Axed]

I am not sure how many of you are being productive today, since it seems you have one hand on your junk and the other on the keyboard posting about how excited you are about a bunch of high school boys.

mean while the bozo kitty elites are looking at their NAIA full paid recruits like............

ya, I know it's funny cause they will still win the PRE-SEASON National Championship....
as usual.....

 

[Potomac Griz]

I am not sure how many of you are being productive today, since it seems you have one hand on your junk and the other on the keyboard posting about how excited you are about a bunch of high school boys.

As opposed to the usual Emo suspects cutting themselves while wondering when the next sale at Hot Topic will start

 

[poorgriz]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

 

[Raider]

.....and you never know how the weather might play into things. Could have huge impact 3-4 years down the road.

 

[get'em_griz]

The one thing you can say with any certainty is that you can expect the cats to have the November Meltdown every year.

 

[Ursa Major]

I am not sure how many of you are being productive today, since it seems you have one hand on your junk and the other on the keyboard posting about how excited you are about a bunch of high school boys.

As opposed to the usual Emo suspects cutting themselves while wondering when the next sale at Hot Topic will start

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[HookedonGriz]

6 Jamaal Jones R-Sr. WR 6-1 192 Spanaway, Wash. / Graham-Kapowsin HS
11 Nate Harris R-Sr. CB 5-10 180 Chino, Calif. / Chino Hills HS
18 Tyler Lucas R-Sr. WR 6-4 210 Bellefonte, Pa. / Bellefonte HS
31 Justin Whitted R-Sr. S 6-1 195 Los Angeles, Calif. / St. Bernard HS
33 Connor Lebsock R-Sr. LB 6-2 205 Billings, Mont. / Skyview HS
34 Jamal Wilson R-Sr. DT 5-11 270 Fontana, Calif. / A.B. Miller HS
39 Jake Dallaserra R-Sr. S 5-11 180 Butte, Mont. / Butte HS
45 Jeremiah Kose R-Sr. LB 6-2 225 Oceanside, Calif. / Vista HS
47 Derek Crittenden R-Sr. DE 6-3 245 Whitefish, Mont. / Whitefish HS
86 Ben Roberts R-Sr. WR 6-4 215 Missoula, Mont. / Sentinel HS
87 Chris Lider R-Sr. K/P 6-1 205 Bellevue, Wash. / Sammamish HS
3 Eric Johnson Sr. S 6-2 180 San Francisco, Calif. / San Lorenzo HS
5 Daniel Sullivan Sr. K 5-10 165 Mill Creek, Wash. / Henry M. Jackson HS
35 Kendrick Van Ackeren Sr. LB 6-1 215 Bellevue, Wash. / Bellevue HS
36 Herbert Gamboa Sr. LB 6-1 215 San Clemente, Calif. / San Clemente HS
74 John Schmaing Sr. OL 6-7 290 Billings, Mont. / Senior HS
91 Tyrone Holmes Sr. DE 6-4 250 Eagle Point, Ore. / Eagle Point HS

You see anybody on that list (aside from maybe Sullivan) who most likely wasn't on full scholarship? Dallaserra might be the only one.

Don't know, but also Lucas, Lider, Roberts (?), Johnson. Could any, like Crittenden, have academic money, and not all athletic scholarship money?

Dallaserra, Lider, and Sullivan are likely not full scholarships. Not sure about Lucas and Roberts as well. There are probably about 14 or 15 full scholarships in this group. Addison Owen quit right before fall so you pick up his plus known cuts to Pflug & Parker. Naccarato and Burke have left the team since last fall. My guess is we have about 22 full scholarships available at this point for next year. As PR mentions earlier, some additional scholarship money will likely be earned by existing players and there will also likely be more natural attrition or a couple more cuts. With the 2015 class as is now we likely need around 25 full scholarships for them.

Ellis leaving and Jackson McCullough not coming back freed up a couple more schollies as well.

 

[grizindabox]

6 Jamaal Jones R-Sr. WR 6-1 192 Spanaway, Wash. / Graham-Kapowsin HS
11 Nate Harris R-Sr. CB 5-10 180 Chino, Calif. / Chino Hills HS
18 Tyler Lucas R-Sr. WR 6-4 210 Bellefonte, Pa. / Bellefonte HS
31 Justin Whitted R-Sr. S 6-1 195 Los Angeles, Calif. / St. Bernard HS
33 Connor Lebsock R-Sr. LB 6-2 205 Billings, Mont. / Skyview HS
34 Jamal Wilson R-Sr. DT 5-11 270 Fontana, Calif. / A.B. Miller HS
39 Jake Dallaserra R-Sr. S 5-11 180 Butte, Mont. / Butte HS
45 Jeremiah Kose R-Sr. LB 6-2 225 Oceanside, Calif. / Vista HS
47 Derek Crittenden R-Sr. DE 6-3 245 Whitefish, Mont. / Whitefish HS
86 Ben Roberts R-Sr. WR 6-4 215 Missoula, Mont. / Sentinel HS
87 Chris Lider R-Sr. K/P 6-1 205 Bellevue, Wash. / Sammamish HS
3 Eric Johnson Sr. S 6-2 180 San Francisco, Calif. / San Lorenzo HS
5 Daniel Sullivan Sr. K 5-10 165 Mill Creek, Wash. / Henry M. Jackson HS
35 Kendrick Van Ackeren Sr. LB 6-1 215 Bellevue, Wash. / Bellevue HS
36 Herbert Gamboa Sr. LB 6-1 215 San Clemente, Calif. / San Clemente HS
74 John Schmaing Sr. OL 6-7 290 Billings, Mont. / Senior HS
91 Tyrone Holmes Sr. DE 6-4 250 Eagle Point, Ore. / Eagle Point HS

You see anybody on that list (aside from maybe Sullivan) who most likely wasn't on full scholarship? Dallaserra might be the only one.

Don't know, but also Lucas, Lider, Roberts (?), Johnson. Could any, like Crittenden, have academic money, and not all athletic scholarship money?

Dallaserra, Lider, and Sullivan are likely not full scholarships. Not sure about Lucas and Roberts as well. There are probably about 14 or 15 full scholarships in this group. Addison Owen quit right before fall so you pick up his plus known cuts to Pflug & Parker. Naccarato and Burke have left the team since last fall. My guess is we have about 22 full scholarships available at this point for next year. As PR mentions earlier, some additional scholarship money will likely be earned by existing players and there will also likely be more natural attrition or a couple more cuts. With the 2015 class as is now we likely need around 25 full scholarships for them.

Ellis leaving and Jackson McCullough not coming back freed up a couple more schollies as well.

McCullough did not have a scholarship....so nothing gained....

 

[PlayerRep]

This class looks so good that we should start figuring out who is going to graduate with a year of eligibility left and transfer to Oregon. It's never too early to start speculating and planning ahead.

 

[PlayerRep]

If true frosh and senior classes all had 15 scholarships, and the 3 in the middle (factoring in redshirt years) had 10, 10 and 8, there'd be 58 scholarships. UM currently is down 4 from 63. Obviously, those numbers could be fiddled with in either direction.

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

 

[gotgame75]

This is a nice class, but I don't think it holds a candle to a few of the classes that Bobby Hauck brought in. I seem to remember one class in particular maybe 2003? It was just a bunch of big time dudes, I think Tyler Joyce was one of the crown jewels of that class.

This. Nice class, but not overly impressive.

Not trying to stir the pot, but I really thought we'd see 2-3 wow type of WR's in this class, I don't see one.

Really, Akem, Nash, Toure, Corbin dont impress or wow you?? Theyre all big and fast. Great athletes.

What are you not impressed with? Our 3 massive 2-3 star O lineman...when is the last time we had that type of Oline talent coming in in one class...

When is the last time we had a load of recievers ranging from 6'2 burners to 6'5 200 popounders???

Every offensive player we have coming in except 2 are at least 2 stars....I dont remember ever having a class this good.

Not at all wow'd by any of the WR's in this class. Which surprises me considering Stitt's offense. Disappointing honestly.

Rey Green and Thayne Jackson are studs.

What the staff accomplished with both lines is impressive.

The plan at WR I do not get though.

And what exactly would "WOW' you? Obviously not this....

http://www.hudl.com/athlete/2089468/highlights/308628507/v3

If Toure doesn't impress you then you are going to go through life being very disappointed. What exactly were you expecting at the WR position, Julio Jones? This is BY FAR the most impressive group of receivers I can remember and its not even close.

 

[AZGrizFan]

The recruiting service Scout currently has 31-5 star, 360-4 star and 1,250 3-star players. That's 1,441 players rated at 3-star or better. You said that Texas alone has 1,300.

FBS schools also sign a lot of 2-star and no star players. Looks like a good 300 3-star players are passed over by FBS schools and replaced by 2-star and no-star players for the other 1,500+ spots. So, again, I'll say that if you're a 3-star you should end up getting a scholarship from a FBS school. There are 3,100 open scholarships per year for FBS schools, yet they only take 1,150 of the 1,440 3-4-5 star rated players available.

Alright. I'm not sure what happened, but I did a BUNCH of research on this several months ago, and was pretty confident in the 1300 #. Now I go look on 247 sports and I see 2,024 3-4-5 star players in the entire country, with 554 of them being from Texas...I doubt the # has fluctuated that wildly, so the original 1,300 # must have been incorrect...

 

[BWahlberg]

The recruiting service Scout currently has 31-5 star, 360-4 star and 1,250 3-star players. That's 1,441 players rated at 3-star or better. You said that Texas alone has 1,300.

FBS schools also sign a lot of 2-star and no star players. Looks like a good 300 3-star players are passed over by FBS schools and replaced by 2-star and no-star players for the other 1,500+ spots. So, again, I'll say that if you're a 3-star you should end up getting a scholarship from a FBS school. There are 3,100 open scholarships per year for FBS schools, yet they only take 1,150 of the 1,440 3-4-5 star rated players available.

Alright. I'm not sure what happened, but I did a BUNCH of research on this several months ago, and was pretty confident in the 1300 #. Now I go look on 247 sports and I see 2,024 3-4-5 star players in the entire country, with 554 of them being from Texas...I doubt the # has fluctuated that wildly, so the original 1,300 # must have been incorrect...

Was it maybe total players with a star rating of any sort?

 

[AZGrizFan]

The recruiting service Scout currently has 31-5 star, 360-4 star and 1,250 3-star players. That's 1,441 players rated at 3-star or better. You said that Texas alone has 1,300.

FBS schools also sign a lot of 2-star and no star players. Looks like a good 300 3-star players are passed over by FBS schools and replaced by 2-star and no-star players for the other 1,500+ spots. So, again, I'll say that if you're a 3-star you should end up getting a scholarship from a FBS school. There are 3,100 open scholarships per year for FBS schools, yet they only take 1,150 of the 1,440 3-4-5 star rated players available.

Alright. I'm not sure what happened, but I did a BUNCH of research on this several months ago, and was pretty confident in the 1300 #. Now I go look on 247 sports and I see 2,024 3-4-5 star players in the entire country, with 554 of them being from Texas...I doubt the # has fluctuated that wildly, so the original 1,300 # must have been incorrect...

Was it maybe total players with a star rating of any sort?

Yeah, not sure. I'd love to go back and duplicate the research, but now I can't get any of those sites to come up...gonna have to tap out unless/until I can get the figures verified.

 

[poorgriz]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.