This has to be said... about this years recruiting class

[casewinter13]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

Unfortunately for your well researched (always) and highly objective post, the past two years classes have been verified as elite by independent, objective ratings sources. Do go on...

 

[SACCAT66]

The recruiting service Scout currently has 31-5 star, 360-4 star and 1,250 3-star players. That's 1,441 players rated at 3-star or better. You said that Texas alone has 1,300.

FBS schools also sign a lot of 2-star and no star players. Looks like a good 300 3-star players are passed over by FBS schools and replaced by 2-star and no-star players for the other 1,500+ spots. So, again, I'll say that if you're a 3-star you should end up getting a scholarship from a FBS school. There are 3,100 open scholarships per year for FBS schools, yet they only take 1,150 of the 1,440 3-4-5 star rated players available.

Alright. I'm not sure what happened, but I did a BUNCH of research on this several months ago, and was pretty confident in the 1300 #. Now I go look on 247 sports and I see 2,024 3-4-5 star players in the entire country, with 554 of them being from Texas...I doubt the # has fluctuated that wildly, so the original 1,300 # must have been incorrect...

Was it maybe total players with a star rating of any sort?

Yeah, not sure. I'd love to go back and duplicate the research, but now I can't get any of those sites to come up...gonna have to tap out unless/until I can get the figures verified.

Doesn't the scenario below also happen quite a bit as well. I know it had for some of the Montana kids being recruited to bigger schools, then he goes to UM or MSU it changes..

1) Player from _____ has a 2-3 star rating

2) Player goes to FCS school

3) Player now has no "Stars" on his ranking.

 

[maroonandsilver]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

The obvious point which you miss, little brother, is that your scats have won the Griz-Cat game exactly 9 times in the last 35 years.

 

[rocklobster]

This is a nice class, but I don't think it holds a candle to a few of the classes that Bobby Hauck brought in. I seem to remember one class in particular maybe 2003? It was just a bunch of big time dudes, I think Tyler Joyce was one of the crown jewels of that class.

This. Nice class, but not overly impressive.

Not trying to stir the pot, but I really thought we'd see 2-3 wow type of WR's in this class, I don't see one.

Really, Akem, Nash, Toure, Corbin dont impress or wow you?? Theyre all big and fast. Great athletes.

What are you not impressed with? Our 3 massive 2-3 star O lineman...when is the last time we had that type of Oline talent coming in in one class...

When is the last time we had a load of recievers ranging from 6'2 burners to 6'5 200 popounders???

Every offensive player we have coming in except 2 are at least 2 stars....I dont remember ever having a class this good.

:thumb:

 

[Raider]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

Ah yes, there it is. Good ole reliable spinmaster with his BSC champ spin, and his again predictable and sad 2011 asterisk. Gawd, is this all you have in your bag?

Funny, how you spin this same angle over and over and over and over, yet conveniently leave out our head to head record during this span.

Pathetic

 

[grizindabox]

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

Ah yes, there it is. Good ole reliable spinmaster with his BSC champ spin, and his again predictable and sad 2011 asterisk. Gawd, is this all you have in your bag?

Funny, how you spin this same angle over and over and over and over, yet conveniently leave out our head to head record during this span.

Pathetic

 

[BadlandsGrizFan]

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

Ah yes, there it is. Good ole reliable spinmaster with his BSC champ spin, and his again predictable and sad 2011 asterisk. Gawd, is this all you have in your bag?

Funny, how you spin this same angle over and over and over and over, yet conveniently leave out our head to head record during this span.

Pathetic

Because you guys always come over here and run your mouths..but it never translates to on the field....even the years you so proudly claim BSC titles our teams still go further than yours in the playoffs. Its a joke man.

 

[grizaremoregooder]

It's relatively easy to look at film and see athletic talent. Equally important questions: can these kids hack it in the classroom and in the community? How many of these kids will still be here five years from now? Sounds like a lot of them got good character references from their hs coaches, but character is tough to predict based on a few snapshots. Hope the coaches worked this out in recruiting them.

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

If the cats were ever going to make a run at the Grizzlies it was going to be in the last 5 years. The two year NCAA investigation followed by 3 years of 4 reduced scholarships is over and the cats are still light years behind the Montana Grizzlies. Your program just hit the reset button for crying out loud. The Grizzlies just put together a very, very, very solid class. You are so blinded by hate that it is sad.

 

[Umista]

It is a Griz board! Others ought to stay away.


A Cat House with straw on the floor would be a pleasant place for the November Melt Downers to hide out*

 

[bozono]

It's all about recognizing athleticism and talent. The next step is to coach players and improve their abilities. Hauck was an expert at these aspects. He turned more recruits into NFL caliber players than anyone in the history of our program combined. Stitt has yet to prove himself in this arena. The jury is still out but the Kool-Aid is good!!

 

[Paytonlives]

It's all about recognizing athleticism and talent. The next step is to coach players and improve their abilities. Hauck was an expert at these aspects. He turned more recruits into NFL caliber players than anyone in the history of our program combined. Stitt has yet to prove himself in this arena. The jury is still out but the Kool-Aid is good!!

 

[stonecrest]

It is a Griz board! Others ought to stay away.


A Cat House with straw on the floor would be a pleasant place for the November Melt Downers to hide out*

Love it ..... :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[Bear Axed]

I'm a little brother kittycat pretending to be a Griz Fan

that's really cool bro....but, isn't it past your bedtime...

 

[stonecrest]

It's all about recognizing athleticism and talent. The next step is to coach players and improve their abilities. Hauck was an expert at these aspects. He turned more recruits into NFL caliber players than anyone in the history of our program combined. Stitt has yet to prove himself in this arena. The jury is still out but the Kool-Aid is good!!

A picture is worth a thousand words.....

 

[kyle_sample]

6 Jamaal Jones R-Sr. WR 6-1 192 Spanaway, Wash. / Graham-Kapowsin HS
11 Nate Harris R-Sr. CB 5-10 180 Chino, Calif. / Chino Hills HS
18 Tyler Lucas R-Sr. WR 6-4 210 Bellefonte, Pa. / Bellefonte HS
31 Justin Whitted R-Sr. S 6-1 195 Los Angeles, Calif. / St. Bernard HS
33 Connor Lebsock R-Sr. LB 6-2 205 Billings, Mont. / Skyview HS
34 Jamal Wilson R-Sr. DT 5-11 270 Fontana, Calif. / A.B. Miller HS
39 Jake Dallaserra R-Sr. S 5-11 180 Butte, Mont. / Butte HS
45 Jeremiah Kose R-Sr. LB 6-2 225 Oceanside, Calif. / Vista HS
47 Derek Crittenden R-Sr. DE 6-3 245 Whitefish, Mont. / Whitefish HS
86 Ben Roberts R-Sr. WR 6-4 215 Missoula, Mont. / Sentinel HS
87 Chris Lider R-Sr. K/P 6-1 205 Bellevue, Wash. / Sammamish HS
3 Eric Johnson Sr. S 6-2 180 San Francisco, Calif. / San Lorenzo HS
5 Daniel Sullivan Sr. K 5-10 165 Mill Creek, Wash. / Henry M. Jackson HS
35 Kendrick Van Ackeren Sr. LB 6-1 215 Bellevue, Wash. / Bellevue HS
36 Herbert Gamboa Sr. LB 6-1 215 San Clemente, Calif. / San Clemente HS
74 John Schmaing Sr. OL 6-7 290 Billings, Mont. / Senior HS
91 Tyrone Holmes Sr. DE 6-4 250 Eagle Point, Ore. / Eagle Point HS

You see anybody on that list (aside from maybe Sullivan) who most likely wasn't on full scholarship? Dallaserra might be the only one.

Don't know, but also Lucas, Lider, Roberts (?), Johnson. Could any, like Crittenden, have academic money, and not all athletic scholarship money?

Dallaserra, Lider, and Sullivan are likely not full scholarships. Not sure about Lucas and Roberts as well. There are probably about 14 or 15 full scholarships in this group. Addison Owen quit right before fall so you pick up his plus known cuts to Pflug & Parker. Naccarato and Burke have left the team since last fall. My guess is we have about 22 full scholarships available at this point for next year. As PR mentions earlier, some additional scholarship money will likely be earned by existing players and there will also likely be more natural attrition or a couple more cuts. With the 2015 class as is now we likely need around 25 full scholarships for them.

15 of the 17 seniors had full athletic scholarships. However, I'm not going to say who did and who didn't

 

[putter]

Rating agencies rarely give small state/school kids much of a rating because the perceived level of competition. When the Griz get kids from AZ, TX, WA who are rated 3 stars, that gets my attention as these sites usually have a pretty good knowledge of the talent that these kids are playing against. I also agree with SACCAT, when someone commits to an FCS school their rating suddenly goes away.

I had to laugh at the NFL network when they were talking about Carsen Wentz. They kept bringing up his "level of competition" but continually forget some of the best players in the NFL played at the FCS level. I too, think - ON PAPER - this looks like a very talented class and fills a lot of holes. If these kids can play at a high level immediately and Stitt's red-shirts can do the same it could be an quick and significant upgrade from last year.

 

[mtgrizrule]

I believe that Ben Roberts was not on a scholarship. I thought the Missoulian or gogriz.com article announcing his transfer indicated that he would not be on scholarship. I could be wrong.

With all the recruits coming in, I am guessing spring camp may be the last we see of some of the current GRIZ. I have a feeling, many will be competing to remain on the roster. Stitt has the depth in last year's and this year's recruiting classes to do a lot of weeding out through the end of spring camp.

It appears to me that Stitt does not mess around with border line attitudes. He expects a lot from each player, off and on the field. I expect one hell of competitive spring camp. Too bad, I doubt there will be much access for the public. Don't be surprised to see a lot of roster turnover though.

 

[poorgriz]

Good post. Not just the character think, but team chemistry, injuries, and many other factors play in. You truly won't know the full story about a "Best recruiting class ever" for 4 or 5 years. Several of these players will flop, several will be solid contributors (Maybe half?), and some might end up being stars. Just like every other college football program in the country. You just really, really don't know - and won't know for a long time.

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

If the cats were ever going to make a run at the Grizzlies it was going to be in the last 5 years. The two year NCAA investigation followed by 3 years of 4 reduced scholarships is over and the cats are still light years behind the Montana Grizzlies. Your program just hit the reset button for crying out loud. The Grizzlies just put together a very, very, very solid class. You are so blinded by hate that it is sad.

Agree. Has anyone disagreed with this over here? I sure haven't seen anything.

 

[NativeGriz]

Rating agencies rarely give small state/school kids much of a rating because the perceived level of competition. When the Griz get kids from AZ, TX, WA who are rated 3 stars, that gets my attention as these sites usually have a pretty good knowledge of the talent that these kids are playing against. I also agree with SACCAT, when someone commits to an FCS school their rating suddenly goes away.

I had to laugh at the NFL network when they were talking about Carsen Wentz. They kept bringing up his "level of competition" but continually forget some of the best players in the NFL played at the FCS level. I too, think - ON PAPER - this looks like a very talented class and fills a lot of holes. If these kids can play at a high level immediately and Stitt's red-shirts can do the same it could be an quick and significant upgrade from last year.

http://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/seahawks-roster-gives-proof-that-you-just-never-know-how-high-school-recruits-will-pan-out/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=seattle-seahawks
This article gives a pretty good indication how the star level translate to success in the NFL. IMO, a good 2-3 star player has more opportunity to shine in FCS because he may start 3-4 years, thus potential for better stats and exposure.

 

[bigsky33]

And this is said every single year..and then the Cats have to watch those same kids put a smack down on MSU come November.....

Ya, we all get that, because we hear it from you ALL the time, and every single year the griz have the "best recruiting class ever"... and yet you haven't been able to even win the Big Sky since 2009? MSU has won or tied for the title three times in that span. I'm not sure why every single thread always turns into "little brother", and "we beat you almost every year" talk but it is what it is. I really wasn't interested in smack and responding to a bunch of other posts in this thread, was just pointing out a very obvious point that apparently a bunch of you miss.

If the cats were ever going to make a run at the Grizzlies it was going to be in the last 5 years. The two year NCAA investigation followed by 3 years of 4 reduced scholarships is over and the cats are still light years behind the Montana Grizzlies. Your program just hit the reset button for crying out loud. The Grizzlies just put together a very, very, very solid class. You are so blinded by hate that it is sad.

Agree. Has anyone disagreed with this over here? I sure haven't seen anything.

I agree too. That is one of the reasons Ash is gone. Stitt has put together what looks to be a great recruiting class. I agree with poorgriz though, that it takes a few years to see where it stacks up. Yes, even though the Cats had to hit the reset button it is not a rebuild situationand is similar to what Delaney left for Stitt. They had a lot of good young talent last year on that awful defense that should come into it's own this year with the added experience and improved coaching staff. I feel the new coaching staff, despite a late start has put together a really good recruiting class. I would not say the Cat's are light years behind. As poorgriz pointed out, it is a fact that you have not won the Big Sky since 2009 while the Cats have won or tied for the title three times during that span. Not talking smack here, but just pointing out the differences are not that great going forward. I hope our optimistic recruiting outlook for our respective teams comes to fruition.