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[PlayerRep]

Take a look at the box scores for the 3 games in a row the Griz played last year in the tournament and the 3 games in a row EWU played in the tournament. Teams (especially in tournaments unless they get lucky and blow the other team out) generally go with a 7 or 8 man rotation and don't have fatigue problems.

It's not an issue.

Griz 1st game (3 Point Win vs Weber in OT):
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 8 minutes, Lopez 3)
Weber played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Johnson-Coston had 6 minutes)

Griz 2nd game (2 Point Win vs NAU):
Griz played 8 players 10 or more minutes (Lopez had 7 mins)
NAU played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Reynolds had 5 mins)

Griz 3rd game (4 Point Loss vs EWU):
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 5, Lopez 2, Nwosu 1)
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon had 5)

EWU's 1st game (8 Point Win vs Idaho):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon played 2, Reid played 1)
Idaho played 8 players 10 or more minutes (Mpawe played 5, Egbert 5, George 3, Sherwood 1)

EWU's 2nd game (8 Point Win vs Sac):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon played less than a minute, Hill played 2)
Sac played 7 players 10 or more minutse (Tiffin 9, Graves 5, Strings 3, STuteville 1, Jackson less than 1)

EWU's 3rd game (4 Point Win vs Griz):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon had 5)
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 5, Lopez 2, Nwosu 1)

Several points. Glad you brought up last year's tourney. When UM allowed EWU to come back and beat them in the championship, after UM had a nice lead late in the game, UM wore down. Everybody in my group blamed the loss on that. Perhaps you weren't there or don't remember.

Also, feel free to point out any past examples when UM had key people in foul trouble and/or had injuries, and where UM didn't have to go deeper in the depth.

 

[PlayerRep]

DAMMIT, people. You've been warned before: Stop providing a wealth of facts that prove how wrong PR is. We simply cannot afford to let his ego get any smaller.... :?

Pay attention, Everett. I'm shooting down those incorrect stats right and left, and Potomac just proved my point by bringing last year's tourney. EWU came back on the Griz in the championship game because the Griz wore down. UM had 4 players over 31 minutes, and EWU had 2 players over 28 minutes.

 

[EverettGriz]

PR, your posting is like bsc officiating: consistently shitty.

 

[Potomac Griz]

Take a look at the box scores for the 3 games in a row the Griz played last year in the tournament and the 3 games in a row EWU played in the tournament. Teams (especially in tournaments unless they get lucky and blow the other team out) generally go with a 7 or 8 man rotation and don't have fatigue problems.

It's not an issue.

Griz 1st game (3 Point Win vs Weber in OT):
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 8 minutes, Lopez 3)
Weber played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Johnson-Coston had 6 minutes)

Griz 2nd game (2 Point Win vs NAU):
Griz played 8 players 10 or more minutes (Lopez had 7 mins)
NAU played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Reynolds had 5 mins)

Griz 3rd game (4 Point Loss vs EWU):
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 5, Lopez 2, Nwosu 1)
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon had 5)

EWU's 1st game (8 Point Win vs Idaho):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon played 2, Reid played 1)
Idaho played 8 players 10 or more minutes (Mpawe played 5, Egbert 5, George 3, Sherwood 1)

EWU's 2nd game (8 Point Win vs Sac):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon played less than a minute, Hill played 2)
Sac played 7 players 10 or more minutse (Tiffin 9, Graves 5, Strings 3, STuteville 1, Jackson less than 1)

EWU's 3rd game (4 Point Win vs Griz):
EWU Played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Moon had 5)
Griz played 7 players 10 or more minutes (Kemp had 5, Lopez 2, Nwosu 1)

Several points. Glad you brought up last year's tourney. When UM allowed EWU to come back and beat them in the championship, after UM had a nice lead late in the game, UM wore down. Everybody in my group blamed the loss on that. Perhaps you weren't there or don't remember.

Also, feel free to point out any past examples when UM had key people in foul trouble and/or had injuries, and where UM didn't have to go deeper in the depth.

EWU played 3 games in a row over 3 days. Are you aware that the Griz actually got their bench more minutes than EWU did throughout those 3 games right? So why didn't EWU wear down?

First game for the Griz. Bench played 61 mins.
Second game for the Griz. Bench played 60 mins.
Third game for the Griz. Bench played 66 mins.

First game for EWU. Bench played 32 mins.
Second game for EWU. Bench played 49 mins.
Third game for EWU. Bench played 61 mins.

Are you sure YOU were there and if you were, were you actually paying attention?

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, your posting is like bsc officiating: consistently shitty.

At least, I know something about sports and played them. You obviously don't have a clue. You just diss the Big Sky, FCS, Fullerton, and other posters--and stick up and apologize for Engstrom.

 

[Potomac Griz]

DAMMIT, people. You've been warned before: Stop providing a wealth of facts that prove how wrong PR is. We simply cannot afford to let his ego get any smaller.... :?

Pay attention, Everett. I'm shooting down those incorrect stats right and left, and Potomac just proved my point by bringing last year's tourney. EWU came back on the Griz in the championship game because the Griz wore down. UM had 4 players over 31 minutes, and EWU had 2 players over 28 minutes.

You might want to take your own advice about paying attention...

The Griz played their bench more minutes than EWU did in the 3 tournament games last year and used more bench players. Both teams played 3 games in 3 days.

First game for the Griz. Bench played 61 mins (4 players).
Second game for the Griz. Bench played 60 mins (4 players).
Third game for the Griz. Bench played 66 mins (5 players).

First game fore EWU. Bench played 32 mins (4 players).
Second game for EWU. Bench played 49 mins (4 players).
Third game for EWU. Bench played 61 mins (3 players).

So why didn't EWU wear down too? Interested in seeing how you try to spin THAT

 

[EverettGriz]

PR, your posting is like bsc officiating: consistently shitty.

At least, I know something about sports and played them. You obviously don't have a clue. You just diss the Big Sky, FCS, Fullerton, and other posters--and stick up and apologize for Engstrom.

I know considerably more about many things than you, including sports. And yes, I played them, in an era where the footballs were not round and the helmets not made of leather.

Yes, I have no difficulties pointing out the deficiencies when warranted (e.g. the bsc, foolerton, posters with large egos, etc) and doing the opposite when warranted (e.g. global warming, the zika virus and Donald Trump are not Engstrom's fault).

 

[Mousegriz]

Gaining experience for bench players is what the noncom schedule is for. TDC needs to play his best 8 guys now, six of them the vast majority of the time. Few teams, even top 25 teams, go more than 7 or 8 deep this time of year.

Nope, just not true. Experience often continues throughout the season. Many teams play more than 7 or 8 players. It depends on the quality of the depth and how close games are. Yes, some teams play relatively few players at this time of the season.

Villanova has 8 players averaging over 20 minutes. No one averages 32.

Maryland has 7 over 15 and 2 just under 10. No one over 32.

Okla has 9 over 8, with several at 33.

Iowa has 10 over 9.8 and none over 30.

Xavier has 9 over 9.7 and none over 30.3 and only 2 over 25.6.

Check minutes per game in close loser out tourney games as a more representative (and interesting!) stat. Seemed like Kansas's starters got a few minutes off when they faced the Griz.

Checked out some. Your point is not supported. By the way, did you ever play any college ball? Let's hear about the game-playing experience. Want to know if it matches your big mouth.

I mentioned my experience earlier. HS and a little college experience with the UM Cubs. We beat a national top 10 JC school that year and had some pretty fun games in front of some big crowds at the field house.

Not here to rattle off a bunch of chest pounding personal stats to a bunch of people who don't care, but gonna disagree with you that it's important to develop our 9, 10, 11 and 12 guys at this stage of the season so we can make a run in the BSC tourney.

Is your father in law still coaching? Did he win lots of 3 day D 1 college conference tournaments by resting his top guys so they didn't get too tired playing that many days in a row?

 

[Jeff Choke]

Used to be called parenting now they make shows about parents having structure and demanding their kids strive for excellence. This is why MSU #wonthestate

 

[Mousegriz]

Gaining experience for bench players is what the noncom schedule is for. TDC needs to play his best 8 guys now, six of them the vast majority of the time. Few teams, even top 25 teams, go more than 7 or 8 deep this time of year.

Nope, just not true. Experience often continues throughout the season. Many teams play more than 7 or 8 players. It depends on the quality of the depth and how close games are. Yes, some teams play relatively few players at this time of the season.

Villanova has 8 players averaging over 20 minutes. No one averages 32.

Maryland has 7 over 15 and 2 just under 10. No one over 32.

Okla has 9 over 8, with several at 33.

Iowa has 10 over 9.8 and none over 30.

Xavier has 9 over 9.7 and none over 30.3 and only 2 over 25.6.

Lets look at these teams you've listed and what they've done as the season has progressed (getting into conference).

Villanova has 8 players averaging over 20 minutes. No one averages 32.

First off, Villanova has 7 players averaging over 20 minutes, not 8. They also have 2 players averaging over 31 minutes a game. Not 32, but 31 is pretty close. And that's even with them blowing out so many teams (getting a lot of inexperienced players good minutes) early in the season non-conference. The Griz and most Big Sky teams don't have that luxury where they destroy the majority of teams they face in non-conference. Look at what Villanova does in close games and you'll see they play 7 or 8 players 10+ minutes and that's it. Just like the Griz usually.

In fact now that they are in conference they have 2 players averaging above 32 mins a game, since those games are closer. They (like most teams including the Griz) have narrowed their rotation down to 8 players getting good minutes with 3 getting 30+ a game.

Maryland has 7 over 15 and 2 just under 10. No one over 32.

Same thing...they blow out a ton of teams in non-conference, get a bunch of guys extra minutes and then once conference starts they narrow it down to a 7 or 8 man rotation. In fact they now have 3 players with 32+ minutes per game in conference since it's tougher competition and closer games. Oh and also the Griz have 7 players with over 15 minutes a game with Dunn just under 15 to make it almost 8 (He'll certainly be above 15 soon as he continues to shake the rust off). So not that different from the Griz really.

Okla has 9 over 8, with several at 33.

They only have 5 players averaging 15 or more. The Griz have 7 and an 8th coming along soon with Dunn. You should probably let Oklahoma know they need to play their bench more to be successful They're another team that has narrowed it down to a 7 or 8 man rotation once conference started too. Now they have 7 players with 10 or more minutes and the rest are 7ish or less. They have 2 players above 35 mins a game in conference including one at 37.8 minutes.

Iowa has 10 over 9.8 and none over 30.

Very misleading there. One of them has only played in 6 games (one who averages above 9). And would ya look at that? Once they got into conference and are playing much tougher opponents and closer games more consistently they've narrowed it down to a 7 man (10+ minutes) rotation! That includes 2 over 30 minutes (including one over 32), and 2 just barely under 30 minutes a game.

Xavier has 9 over 9.7 and none over 30.3 and only 2 over 25.6.

Xavier is about the only one on your list that seems to be doing what you think the Griz should be doing. They have 9 people with 10+ minutes in conference play as well (9.7 or 10 mins, close enough).

So...to sum up....

Teams use non-conference games for getting players experience, seeing what they have, and top 20 teams get to do a LOT more of that since they are busy beating the piss out of other teams most of the time. Mid-majors like the Griz don't have the luxury of playing nearly every non-conference game at home and blowing out the opponents & playing 9 or 10 guys tons of minutes most games.

Way too concise and accurate Potomac! And most of us sensed all this without even seeing the confirmation. Too bad good data and research goes over PR's head most of the time. Remember... he played safety and scrum back at Dartmouth.

 

[PlayerRep]

Gaining experience for bench players is what the noncom schedule is for. TDC needs to play his best 8 guys now, six of them the vast majority of the time. Few teams, even top 25 teams, go more than 7 or 8 deep this time of year.

Nope, just not true. Experience often continues throughout the season. Many teams play more than 7 or 8 players. It depends on the quality of the depth and how close games are. Yes, some teams play relatively few players at this time of the season.

Villanova has 8 players averaging over 20 minutes. No one averages 32.

Maryland has 7 over 15 and 2 just under 10. No one over 32.

Okla has 9 over 8, with several at 33.

Iowa has 10 over 9.8 and none over 30.

Xavier has 9 over 9.7 and none over 30.3 and only 2 over 25.6.

Lets look at these teams you've listed and what they've done as the season has progressed (getting into conference).

Villanova has 8 players averaging over 20 minutes. No one averages 32.

First off, Villanova has 7 players averaging over 20 minutes, not 8. They also have 2 players averaging over 31 minutes a game. Not 32, but 31 is pretty close. And that's even with them blowing out so many teams (getting a lot of inexperienced players good minutes) early in the season non-conference. The Griz and most Big Sky teams don't have that luxury where they destroy the majority of teams they face in non-conference. Look at what Villanova does in close games and you'll see they play 7 or 8 players 10+ minutes and that's it. Just like the Griz usually.

In fact now that they are in conference they have 2 players averaging above 32 mins a game, since those games are closer. They (like most teams including the Griz) have narrowed their rotation down to 8 players getting good minutes with 3 getting 30+ a game.

Maryland has 7 over 15 and 2 just under 10. No one over 32.

Same thing...they blow out a ton of teams in non-conference, get a bunch of guys extra minutes and then once conference starts they narrow it down to a 7 or 8 man rotation. In fact they now have 3 players with 32+ minutes per game in conference since it's tougher competition and closer games. Oh and also the Griz have 7 players with over 15 minutes a game with Dunn just under 15 to make it almost 8 (He'll certainly be above 15 soon as he continues to shake the rust off). So not that different from the Griz really.

Okla has 9 over 8, with several at 33.

They only have 5 players averaging 15 or more. The Griz have 7 and an 8th coming along soon with Dunn. You should probably let Oklahoma know they need to play their bench more to be successful They're another team that has narrowed it down to a 7 or 8 man rotation once conference started too. Now they have 7 players with 10 or more minutes and the rest are 7ish or less. They have 2 players above 35 mins a game in conference including one at 37.8 minutes.

Iowa has 10 over 9.8 and none over 30.

Very misleading there. One of them has only played in 6 games (one who averages above 9). And would ya look at that? Once they got into conference and are playing much tougher opponents and closer games more consistently they've narrowed it down to a 7 man (10+ minutes) rotation! That includes 2 over 30 minutes (including one over 32), and 2 just barely under 30 minutes a game.

Xavier has 9 over 9.7 and none over 30.3 and only 2 over 25.6.

Xavier is about the only one on your list that seems to be doing what you think the Griz should be doing. They have 9 people with 10+ minutes in conference play as well (9.7 or 10 mins, close enough).

So...to sum up....

Teams use non-conference games for getting players experience, seeing what they have, and top 20 teams get to do a LOT more of that since they are busy beating the piss out of other teams most of the time. Mid-majors like the Griz don't have the luxury of playing nearly every non-conference game at home and blowing out the opponents & playing 9 or 10 guys tons of minutes most games.

Way too concise and accurate Potomac! And most of us sensed all this without even seeing the confirmation. Too bad good data and research goes over PR's head most of the time. Remember... he played safety and scrum back at Dartmouth.

Hey, Mouse, let's hear about how your big time playing experience. How many college sports did you play? Were you all-conference? Are you in your school's hall of fame?

 

[EverettGriz]

PR, who gives a shit??

Your best buddy Bobby Hauck never played the game, either. Seems to me you believed he knew the game pretty well, no?

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, who gives a shit??

Your best buddy Bobby Hauck never played the game, either. Seems to me you believed he knew the game pretty well, no?

Everett, pay attention. Mouse started the played-the-game discussion in this thread, not me. Just responding.

 

[EverettGriz]

PR, who gives a shit??

Your best buddy Bobby Hauck never played the game, either. Seems to me you believed he knew the game pretty well, no?

Everett, pay attention. Mouse started the played-the-game discussion in this thread, not me. Just responding.

I'm just responding too. But you're the one demanding an answer after everyone else has dropped the subject, so I will as well.

Please explain how playing the game is so important if your buddy Hauck never did.

 

[PlayerRep]

PR, who gives a shit??

Your best buddy Bobby Hauck never played the game, either. Seems to me you believed he knew the game pretty well, no?

Everett, pay attention. Mouse started the played-the-game discussion in this thread, not me. Just responding.

I'm just responding too. But you're the one demanding an answer after everyone else has dropped the subject, so I will as well.

Please explain how playing the game is so important if your buddy Hauck never did.

Since your lack of knowledge of football and basketball is so low, please explain why you even both to post about sports.

 

[EverettGriz]

Wow. If that ain't a huge fu-king "I Waive The White Flag" post, there isn't such a thing.

 

[PlayerRep]

Wow. If that ain't a huge f***[*] "I Waive The White Flag" post, there isn't such a thing.

Everett, I know you are a loyal UM alum and Griz fan, but it's also clear that you don't know much about these sports. That's okay. I like you chuckle when I see you saying silly things.

 

[EverettGriz]

Wow. If that ain't a huge f***[*] "I Waive The White Flag" post, there isn't such a thing.

Everett, I know you are a loyal UM alum and Griz fan, but it's also clear that you don't know much about these sports. That's okay. I like you chuckle when I see you saying silly things.

Nice!!! Doubling down on the surrender! I like it.

Keep up the improved work, pr.

 

[Mousegriz]

Wow. If that ain't a huge f***[*] "I Waive The White Flag" post, there isn't such a thing.

Come on Everett, simple exercise here: "please explain why you both to post about sports". Everyone "both to posts" every now and then, don't they?

 

[grizfnz]

Wow. If that ain't a huge f***[*] "I Waive The White Flag" post, there isn't such a thing.

Come on Everett, simple exercise here: "please explain why you both to post about sports". Everyone "both to posts" every now and then, don't they?

I blame it on CTE, helmets worn during the cretaceous period are inferior to the high tech cranial protection offered now days. [emoji1]