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Chris Favoroso Leaving
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HelenaHandBasket
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Merkleman said:
I don't think of UM as a "Championship program" at the current time. They could become one again, but are not one right now.
And remained such through all 7 of Hauck's years. You act like that was easy and he just cruised. No obstacles. Since you are so doubtful of BH's ability to return this program to a "championship program", who in your mind would be better to put a course correction to this slipping program? Equating Montana's current program stature to that of UNLV 2009 is ridiculous and is yet another exposure of your opinionated spin.Merkleman said:
Funny that argh(bqm) is calling anyone a stalker. About his only posts are those going after either me or PR, because we don't leave his illogical and often self-contradictory BS unchallenged. And he loves to make up stuff that was never said. He also likes to insult, hiding behind his keyboard(bqm), using age and weight as weapons, when in fact, he would have no chance with either PR or myself in person. He is no kid himself and was never as tough as his keyboard. I cannot think of a single proactive contribution he has made to this forum. Many years ago, he was at least funny, but life has turned him into a real sourpuss.PlayerRep said:
The narrator: “He isn’t.”Dutch Lane said:
Merkleman said:
Oh come on. The Griz won 8, 6, and 7 games the past three years. The team BH took over in Vegas hadn’t won 21 games in SIX years prior to his arrival. While our performance the past 6-7 years hasn’t been “Griz-worthy”, it has been nowhere NEAR the debacle in the desert known as UNLV. Not even on the same planet.
Not knowing anything from the inside (so pure speculation) … the most logical reasons for both Jensen and CF to pack is primarily due to significant changes to the schemes (which PR has also suggested). Because of such … and of course from the coaches views … they (GJ & CF) did not have a leg up on their position competition (apparently a leg behind). So for example, if the offense is moving to quick 1st and second reads … then QB run … Sneed is more suited. Running in general will probably become a bigger priority within the new scheme. On defense … if a 3 man front becomes a key option … this too could have significantly reduced CFs role … from the coaches view. Im sure there are many other schemes as well that could have influenced all this.
Igotgoodsources
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No, he should have stayed the 2. Last I checked App St isnt a juco either.Merkleman said:
You can bet the the new QB was also responsible for his past as well.
Igotgoodsources
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braves84 said:
Of course. Its not to say they are tereible kids by any means. Its simply not a coaching issue 3 times in 3 years.
kemajic said:
This is almost comical. You literally go against and for your self in the same comment. You cant have it both ways. Which one is it? Is he inheriting a Championship caliber program which is closer to what he walked into his 1st stint or is he walking into a downward slipping program(Your words) closer to UNLV(a rebuild)?
Maybe reading comprehension isnt your strong suit. Let me clarify.
Point one-Nowhere in my prior comment did I say it was easy and he cruised. I said it is EASIER when you have an championship caliber program. Everything is easier. Getting good coaches, recruiting etc. Happens at every level in every sport. The better you are the better the talent you get.
Point two- I didnt say the program was where UNLV was. I said this current team is closER to that then the Championship Caliber team he had his 1st stint.
Point 3- Having a bad finish in one season doesnt mean that it wasnt a Championship caliber program he inherited. Every dynasty has a bad spot ala 49ers, cowboys, steelers, patriots etc.
In Haucks first year, did he make a long playoff run with 22 true freshman starters that he had just brought in or did he do it with the players that were already there and had another year of experience in under their belt? I would bet few if any of his recruits had anything to do with the 1st 2 or 3 years. The cubbard wasnt bare.
Point four- Nowhere did I question Haucks ability to lead this program to a Championship Caliber program. I simply dont know if he is or he isnt. My point was that these are two completely different programs and 2 different situations he inherited. If were talking about rebuilding which you seem to think needs to happen and which he didnt have to do his 1st time around and what he was hired to do at UNLV and couldnt do, I would be skeptical based on his most recent role as a head coach in a rebuilding effort. It is the exact thing he was brought into UNLV to do.
I really dont know how any of this will turn out. I hope for the players and fans it works out but trying to recapture that magic rarely does.
Just like the hot chick you dated in high school that breaks your heart. You spend the next few years wishing it could have worked out. She hits you up 10 or 20 years later and when you meet her you find out she has 5 kids, gained 200lbs, has acne and is missing teeth. You thank god every day after that she did break up with you.
MiningCityGrizFan
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UMAlum said:
Why speculate when the original poster shared what took place between CF and Baer? And after the direct quotes from the articles that have been written?
This is what drives crazy about the Hauck apologists, you start from the fanatical position that Hauck and his staff are infallible and then twist every thing to fit that narrative.
Calling GJ a quitter or trying to make it sound unusual that CF (a JUCO transfer) had played for three schools in three years is pathetically sad. As if the problems we’re seeing manifested can be explain by personality flaws of the kids.
GJ is a 4.0 student and was literally the face of the program. CF is graduating in three years. Both were quality guys who represented the program exceptionally well on and off the field. Both are leaders in the locker room. Both are talented enough to play at the FBS level.
To smear their character in an effort to distract from the problems with the current staff and the transition between staffs demonstrates the backwards mindset of the Cult of Hauck Apologists.
And yes, there are problems. Multiple high-quality, highly talented players, who have proven themselves on the field and who have two or more years of eligibility are choosing to leave UM, WaGriz, and the Champions Center rather than play for this staff.
As was also suggested, the problem wasn't with the talent, it was with the schemes. Implementing new schemes with less talented players is a monstrously stupid scenario that is only going to hurt this team, so coaches should have been working overtime before the dead period to make sure any personal issues between them and the key players were addressed.
Offensively, the strength of the offense is the vertical passing game, but the scheme Rosy is installing appears to be predicated on the short, underneath passing game and a QB who can tuck it and run.
The way the 1s and 2s were separated during spring was stacked against GJ, so no neutral fan would argue that he was a leg behind. Especially any one who watched the spring scrimmage.
For starters, there wasn't enough OL depth to form a competitive 2-deep OL so Gresch was at a huge disadvantage at the beginning of the scrimmage. Plus it was a huge insulting mind job to send him out with the 2s to begin with.
When he was finally able to run with the 1’s he was clearly better, especially when it came to the deep ball - WHICH IS HUGE CONSIDERING THE VERTICAL PASSING GAME IS ARGUABLY THE BIGGEST STRENGTH OF THE TEAM.
At least it was.
This is again why I question Baer’s approach. If UM had a ton of depth that ensured the talent and experience level on the field was as high with his new schemes as it was with the old, then it MIGHT be justifiable to intentionally reduce CFs role or ask him to move.
None of those qualifiers are met though with the current roster. To implement new schemes that fail to maximize the strength of the current roster and maximize their opportunities to contribute makes zero sense.
Keep in mind, the entire change in approach on defense is predicated on Baer having better schemes. I don't necessarily think the problems last year we bad schemes as much as they were the timing of certain play calls -- blitzing a QB who can't throw on 3rd and 30.
Ironically the Griz would have been better off relying on sound gap responsibility that kept that QB in the pocket so pass rushers like CF could collapse the pocket and make the play... Now we apparently will have neither.
That makes about as much sense as relying on the defensive schemes of a DC who couldn't figure out how to utilize a roster full of FBS talent (UNLV) to stop an FCS team (Howard) that finished 7-4, 2nd place in the MEAC, and was never ranked the entire season.
Literally the biggest upset in college football history -- http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/20555460/howard-stuns-unlv-biggest-point-spread-upset-college-football-history
That's Montana's newest DC.
https://m.lasvegassun.com/news/2017/dec/09/unlv-football-fires-defensive-coordinator-special/
And that's who the Hauck Apologists are blindly defending while questioning the character and motivation of players like Jensen and Favoroso.
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kemajic said:
i call you old because you act like a caricature of a grumpy old man who is always 'right', and who seems the solution to the present is the past. for the rest of it, this board is 95% socializing and 5% football, give or take a few percentage points. take you, for instance. it appears at least half your posts have no purpose other than to bash stitt, and make up claims about what others thought about him. and if there were any posters who did not much more than insult, that would be you and greenie. as for being a tough guy, i've never actually been in a real fight my entire life. and don't plan on it. but i do work out several hours a day, so probably could last a few minutes if i had to. don't do much core work though, and i think that is important to that sort of thing. and finally, greenie is a stalker. he knows all sorts of personal stuff about all sorts of posters, none of whom invited him to snoop around in their lives. in some respects i still kinda like him, though, because he's definitely an 'original' person. as for me, i don't know anything about anyone, unless they wrote it here, and it was memorable enough to... remember. to me you are a cartoon character on a message board.
and i agree, i used to be a lot funnier. that was before the internet became more widely used, and the boards were more dominated by original thinkers, many who were very creative and much funnier than me.
