JJ Trial

[TxGriz]

So the only question remaining at this point is when do we see JJ on the field again?

 

[GottaluvGriz]

Already destroyed her. Pros. Just lost all the evidence from exam. This is huge, defense will most likely motion t dismiss after every witness. this is interesting

Can someone provide an overview for those of us who don't twitter.

Just click on this link, you don't need to be signed into twitter to follow each tweet:

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[go4two]

This case will still come down to the 20 minutes in the bedroom and who to believe.

BUT, Nurse Scholl is a very compelling witness from the standpoint of volunteering to become involved after seeing this on TV(or "hearing" about it) and realizing that the procedure was flawed. Expert witnesses who have 1) always previously testified for the prosecution, who 2) volunteer because they perceive an injustice is being done are very believable to a Jury, compared to the run-of-the-mill expert witness.

These kind of witnesses don't come along very often. This was a real defense "coup" from an evidentiary standpoint.

Was this the surprise witness mentioned last week? Only that it was the defense's witness?

 

[UMGriz75]

Was this the surprise witness mentioned last week? Only that it was the defense's witness?

I doubt it; expert witnesses who are not disclosed per the discovery order or the omnibus scheduling order can't be added later except by motion and stipulation ... and "the other side" is not likely to stipulate.

 

[grizchamp]

So the only question remaining at this point is when do we see JJ on the field again?

I have done my best to remain neutral and open minded, but Its getting pretty hard. This alleged victim and her witnesses are leaving a ton to be desired. They have been picked apart to the point where there credibility has been incredibly weakened. Still a long ways to go though I suppose.


At this point I couldn't care less if we see him on the field again. I just want him to be able to leave a free and normal life after having to go through what is looking more and more like a farce. If football is part of that life than great, but if not I wouldn't blame him.

 

[Jerry Punch]

Didn't I read that the accuser said the exam caused her massive pain? I swear I remember that being tweeted. Could the exam itself be the cause of the abrasion?

I don't know. But you know 100%. So you can tell us yourself!

 

[Special K]

State just rested. No case, period. Appears to be just the DOJ pushing this.

Yes, basically the prosecution’s whole case is derived from Doe’s psychological behavior after the alleged rape took place. There is no physical proof that a rape occurred. The testimony actually leans towards consensual sex in my opinion. Jane Doe's testimony was enough put doubt in my mind that she may not have let JJ know that she did not consent.

This is a he said/she said textbook case. No sane man or woman in this world could put a young, intelligent promising man away with what the Prosecution just presented.

The defense will not last long. This will be done by Friday.

I have been telling the world all along that JJ will never be convicted. This is the weakest rape case in history, and would have never gone to trial in any other jurisdiction except for the huge publicity surrounding it.

What this girl does not yet understand is that her life will never be the same again. She will have to leave the state, because this trial and her ridiculous accusations to cry rape will follow her for life.

 

[go4two]

Was this the surprise witness mentioned last week? Only that it was the defense's witness?

I doubt it; expert witnesses who are not disclosed per the discovery order or the omnibus scheduling order can't be added later except by motion and stipulation ... and "the other side" is not likely to stipulate.

Thanks UM75,

The reason I ask because I don't think the details of the SARC nurse's protocol came out until after she testified. Scholl states she learned of the evidence while watching the evening news? Please correct me if I'm wrong?

Scholl: She found out who the lawyer was and called and offered to help. #johnsontrial Her concern about the statement is it wasn't factual.
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35 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl heard statement on news about evidence. Left message for Johnson's attorneys. #JohnsonTrial
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36 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She was cooking dinner, listening to news, heard a statement about evidence. #johnsontrial Statement wasn't correct.
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[GrizPony]

Didn't I read that the accuser said the exam caused her massive pain? I swear I remember that being tweeted. Could the exam itself be the cause of the abrasion?

I don't know. But you know 100%. So you can tell us yourself!

I was actually checking with intelligent people who were following twitter when the trial first started, so this wasn't addressed to your stupid, inbred ass. Carry on loser.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

Scholl: Also was concerned about nurse's behavior after. Standard is to be neutral and objective. #johnsontrial Nurse was texting woman.

 

[UMGriz75]

Scholl: She found out who the lawyer was and called and offered to help. #johnsontrial Her concern about the statement is it wasn't factual.
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35 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

That's a good point; when she said it, I thought she would have meant some time back; but, if she heard it during the trial, which makes sense, then there would have been a motion to add a witness -- "newly discovered evidence" -- and the Judge would have granted the motion for her to have appeared, which explains the absence of howling and screaming by the Prosecution -- that had already occurred in chambers.

 

[Special K]

Didn't I read that the accuser said the exam caused her massive pain? I swear I remember that being tweeted. Could the exam itself be the cause of the abrasion?

I don't know. But you know 100%. So you can tell us yourself!

What are you gonna do when this trial is over, and you are exposed for the dumbass that we all knew you were? You can always try for a part in a reality TV show. :twisted:

 

[GrizPony]

Didn't I read that the accuser said the exam caused her massive pain? I swear I remember that being tweeted. Could the exam itself be the cause of the abrasion?

I don't know. But you know 100%. So you can tell us yourself!

What are you gonna do when this trial is over, and you are exposed for the dumbass that we all knew you were? You can always try for a part in a reality TV show. :twisted:

Luckily, we don't have to wait for the trial to be over before Donkey Punch is exposed as a dumbass, as that has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[grizfnz]

Wonder if there is going to be a SARC nurse position open up soon. She contacted JJ's folks....WTF??

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[GrizPony]

Wonder if there is going to be a SARC nurse position open up soon. She contacted JJ's folks....WTF??

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That should happen, but in this twisted town she will be glorified and probably given an award by the Missoulian.

 

[grizfnz]

Wonder if there is going to be a SARC nurse position open up soon. She contacted JJ's folks....WTF??

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That should happen, but in this twisted town she will be glorified and probably given an award by the Missoulian.

Either that or she'll be the most qualified applicant in a "national search" the next time the U is looking to fill a lofty position.

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[GrizMusician]

Already destroyed her. Pros. Just lost all the evidence from exam. This is huge, defense will most likely motion t dismiss after every witness. this is interesting

Can someone provide an overview for those of us who don't twitter.

Detail to show the shredding going on.

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7 mins Erik Anderson Erik Anderson ‏@ErikCAnderson

The public has been removed from the courtroom, as the jurors view private photos of sexual assault examinations. #JohnsonTrial
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11 mins Irina Cates Irina Cates ‏@IrinaCates

Public asked to step outside while jury looks at alleged victims medical exam #JohnsonTrial
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15 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Judge is excusing the court briefly because of graphic photographs. #johnsontrial
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15 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Courtroom will be cleared briefly so photos can be seen. #JohnsonTrial
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15 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Attorneys approach bench to discuss clearing courtroom to show photos to jury. #JohnsonTrial
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16 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Said she believes the pictures will help the jury understand the difference. #johnsontrial
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16 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she brought training manual w/her. #JohnsonTrial Pabst is asking to compare photos in it, to photos from alleged victim's exam.
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16 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Defense asking to clear court briefly to show jury picture of example of different swabbing technique compared to this case. #johnsontrial
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18 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Nurses can choose to swab one way or another. #johnsontrial But nurse could have chosen different procedure.
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19 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: You can collect external swabs. When you collect internal, you can do it the nurse's way or way of national protocol. #johnsontrial
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20 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Nurse actually caused injury in the way she swabbed the alleged victim. #johnsontrial
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20 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says nurse caused injuries to patient when she collected swabs during medical exam. #JohnsonTrial
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20 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: When nurse collected swabs, there's a way to perform exam. Swabs didn't necessarily have to be collected in that order #johnsontrial
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22 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: "I didn't agree with her (the nurse's) identification of anything" other than injury at 2 o'clock position. #johnsontrial
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22 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

"I didn't agree with her identification of anything..." Scholl. #JohnsonTrial
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22 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: The video also has to stand on its own, tell a story. You've got to start with a very clear picture. #johnsontrial
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23 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Nurse said she ID'd deep red abrasions, but Scholl didn't see that. #johnsontrial
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24 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she doesn't see what First Step nurse identified. #JohnsonTrial
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24 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: You need to see where they're trying to get a picture. #johnsontrial Full body, face. This is the standard of forensic photography.
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25 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says photos should be able to stand alone to tell story, and these photos don't. #JohnsonTrial
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25 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: You should have anatomical landmarks with each. Need to let the pictures show story being told. These don't. #johnsontrial
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26 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says photography technique used for First Step exam was wrong. 'Forensic photography should tell a story.' #JohnsonTrial
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26 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: "The photography technique is poor. When you do forensic photography, your photography should be able to tell a story" #johnsontrial
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27 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She reviewed 5 photos. #johnsontrial She had concerns about them. "They don't identify anything."
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28 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she was asked to look at documentation of First Step nurse, exam video, pics in this case. #JohnsonTrial
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28 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She was asked to review the documentation of the nurse examiner, the video, photography, interview. #johnsontrial
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29 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: The MT training doesn't address MT statutes. #johnsontrial Nat'l protocol says trainings should discuss statutes.
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30 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she's seen training video. It's about 2 hrs long. #JohnsonTrial Objection from state, attorneys approach bench.
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30 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She has seen the training video. It's 2.5 hours. #johnsontrial
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31 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Has seen First Step's form "that they call a protocol." #johnsontrial She wouldn't call it a protocol bc protocol lists standards.
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31 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says First Step refers to a form for protocol. She wouldn't refer to it as protocol. #JohnsonTrial
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32 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Montana has done a training video teaching ppl how to do a rape kit. It hasn't done a protocol. #johnsontrial
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32 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says MT has written training program teaching people how to do rape kit. Have not done anything with protocol. #JohnsonTrial
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34 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Evidence does not equal proof. National protocol written in 2005. #johnsontrial Written by DOJ for sexual assault examiners.
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34 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl's concern was the statement - it was not factual. #JohnsonTrial
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35 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She found out who the lawyer was and called and offered to help. #johnsontrial Her concern about the statement is it wasn't factual.
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35 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl heard statement on news about evidence. Left message for Johnson's attorneys. #JohnsonTrial
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36 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She was cooking dinner, listening to news, heard a statement about evidence. #johnsontrial Statement wasn't correct.
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37 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: On why she came to MT. She has MS, husband paralyzed after a wreck, they decided to retire to MT to alleviate stress. #johnsontrial
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37 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl has been in MT since 2005, hasn't done an exam since then. #JohnsonTrial
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37 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she has always testified on behalf of state. Until now. #JohnsonTrial
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38 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She has always testified on behalf of the state. Never for the defendant. #johnsontrial
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38 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she done 'conservatively' 600 exams on women alleging sexual assault. She's testified in court about 150 times. #JohnsonTrial
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38 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Estimates she's examined at least 600 women alleging sexual assault. #johnsontrial She's testified at least 150 times in court.
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39 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Agrees she was involved in cases headed to court. #johnsontrial was involved with legal system from the very beginning.
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39 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she worked with law enforcement throughout training, examining, educating, etc. #JohnsonTrial
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41 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Has lectured on abuse of the disabled, issues with ADA law, evidence collection. #johnsontrial Has lectured to first responders.
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42 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Number of hours of continuing education for her is more than 1,000. #johnsontrial
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43 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

More updates from #JohnsonTrial today: http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/Prosecution-rests-case-in-Johnson-trial/-/14594602/19075560/-/d9kobw/-/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; … Live updates from courtroom continues.
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43 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Did trainings until late 2005 when she and her husband moved to Montana. #johnsontrial
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45 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl helped change state statute in FL., so RNs could do sexual battery exams. #JohnsonTrial
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45 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She requested change in state law to allow nurses to do sexual battery exams. #johnsontrial
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46 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She put together the first training program in the state of Florida. #johnsontrial
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46 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl says she began teaching and working with other sexual assault examiners. #JohnsonTrial
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47 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She took and passed the first certification test. #johnsontrial
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48 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: She found a program in Maryland to formally train. Training wasn't available when she first started in the ER. #johnsontrial
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49 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Started doing them because physicians started training nurses to do exams. #johnsontrial
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49 mins Emily Adamson NBC MT Emily Adamson NBC MT ‏@EmilyNBCMT

Scholl explaining her education, professional experience as forensic nurse. #JohnsonTrial
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50 mins missoulian missoulian ‏@missoulian

Scholl: Is also a diplomat with a national board of nurses. #johnsontrial Started doing sexual assault exams in 1988 in the ER in Florida.
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50 mins Irina Cates Irina Cates ‏@IrinaCates

Defense calls Katherine Scholm a retired forensic nurse. #JohnsonTrial

:shock: Aaaaaand that's a wrap! :shock:

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[Jerry Punch]

Didn't I read that the accuser said the exam caused her massive pain? I swear I remember that being tweeted. Could the exam itself be the cause of the abrasion?

I don't know. But you know 100%. So you can tell us yourself!

What are you gonna do when this trial is over, and you are exposed for the dumbass that we all knew you were? You can always try for a part in a reality TV show. :twisted:

Luckily, we don't have to wait for the trial to be over before Donkey Punch is exposed as a dumbass, as that has already been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Coming from two class acts who wanted the alleged victim exposed on Egriz, I'm not surprised by your vitriol towards me. The internet tough guy act is easy to pull off.

By the way, I have NEVER said that JJ would be convicted or was automatically guilty. I said he would likely be acquitted. Pay attention.

 

[mtgrizfankb]

that name will come out, its only time...

 

[billingsgriz]

Katherine Scholl's testimony reinforces what Dr. Ted Harriton said about Claire Francoeur's exam of alleged victim being "Beneath the standard of care."

The prosecution tried to dismiss Dr. Harriton as a hired gun for defense lawyers, which he is. They did forget to mention in the rape cases he agrees with the doctor or nurse's exam of an alleged victim, the defense attorneys that hired him usually plead out the case--they know their client is probably guilty. Paoli pointed this out to the jury.

Katherine Scholl, who contacted the Paoli and Pabst after she heard something on the local news about the trial that struck her as a forensic nurse about Francoeur's examination of the alleged victim as just plain wrong, is just what Paoli, JJ, and Pabst needed: a forensic nurse that is a Certified Medical Investigator, Level III, a Fellow with The American College of Forensic Examiners that conducted 600 rape exams and testified in 150 rape cases and always for the prosecution, until now !!!

This retired nurse living in The Bitterroot also appropriately attacked Francoeur's ethics and judgement for texting the alleged victim with the rah-rah "You go girl!" messsages and recommending attorneys to her.

The prosecution is trying to minimize Scholl's damage, pointing out she last practiced in Florida in 2005, her license expired in 2008, she hasn't taught a sexual-assault examination course since 2009, waah, waah, waah etc.

I think she reinforces the testimony of Dr. Harriton, she is a very well trained and experienced rape examiner, and she has always testified for the prosecution until now, plus she contacted the defense to tell them Francoeur's exam and ethics were seriously flawed--Paoli and Pabst didn't call her, she called them !

I think this adds up to one big problem for the prosecution: the credibility of their star witness other than alleged victim, Claire Francoeur, whose credibility has taken another huge, perhaps fatal hit.