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Winners win - that's why we need MVD as coach

djollieballs said:
I didn't care much for MVD* before I read this story. Now I'll never give a nickle to the school again if they hire him.

The way the school and the coaches handeled that incident is sickening.

MVD sounds like a low life waste of space.
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It is not like you give a shit about the University and its coaches anyways. All you do is bitch about everything.
 
djollieballs said:
Grizchew said:
You have GOT to be kidding me.

Fact #1: You have no knowledge of the events beyond your 1-sided and obviously biased interpetation.

For all reading I suggest you read these articles:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1895476

http://www.queencitynews.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=3286

Fact #2: The young man involved killed himself.

Fact #3: The findings of the review still prevented the player from rejoining the team and simply allowed the player to return to classes pending results from the criminal charges.

Fact #4: MVD had known said player much longer than 30 days.

Fact #5: We are all innocent until proven guilty


Opinion #1: You are faulting the man for defending one of his players when no evidence had been presented? I would hope that all involved in my life would not bail on me the second trouble presents itself. He stood up when others sit down.

Opinion #2: How did his participation as a character witness protect the image of the program? Criminal charges were still pending. All this review did was allow the student the ability to go back to classes. He was not allowed to participate in football and it did not hide the matter from public scrutiny.

Opinion #3: How dare you question the motives of a man. Especially in a situation like this. And especially when you don't know what the he!! you're talking about.
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I didn't care much for MVD* before I read this story. Now I'll never give a nickle to the school again if they hire him.

The way the school and the coaches handeled that incident is sickening.

MVD sounds like a low life waste of space.
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djollie,

I now realize that you know the gal that accused Narles. I have a feeling that you use to play at Carroll. I can now see why you have a bad taste in your mouth for Carroll football. It is really sad that all of that happened, but MVD has suffered from that situation more then you would ever imagine.

I am sure UM will do just fine without your $100.
 
Forshizzlegrizzle said:
Seriously?? So you are upset that I don't see the coaching value of winning home games in the toughest place to play in all of FCS football against Western States or ISU or Northern Colorado and then when you have to hit the road or a neutral site you lay an egg. Unless you are playing Northern Colorado or ISU or Suck st or PSU. He won very few of the games away from Wa Griz that mattered. So yes my statement stands a trained monkey coach can win in missoula it takes a real HC to win on the road and in the playoffs on the road. He didn't have that period end of story. If he did he would have at least won one of those NC.
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So according to your statment that "a trained monkey coach can win in missoula" I assume that you are alright with giving no value to any wins MVD would have at WaGriz if he were to become the next hc. That said, it seems as if CC would be the toughest place to play in the naia for the time being. Should we go ahead and make an adjustment to your statement by changing missoula to helena? Seems to me like it would work! I am sure you will keep coming back to the fact that he has won several titles. Great! Really! It has been great exposure for the Frontier Conference! But if you don't give BH any credit for the playoff and road wins he did have, then you surely can't give MVD credit for his.

Just so we are clear, I have no problems with MVD. I have never met the guy and probably never will. For that reason I will not sit here and pass judgement on his character. Just not my style.
 
The above djollie comments are totally off base and without any factual support, graphically representing the black side of unjustified anonymous character assasination. The events discussed were tragic. Coach Van DIest responded with amazing empathy and character, as did his team and program, bouncing back to a national championship rather than disintegration. The agenda of djollie, explaining his incessant unjusitifed bias, appears to be exposed. Can you all disagree about the individuals under condiseration, all very special in one way or another, without gooing off shift?
 
lotsa said:
The above djollie comments are totally off base and without any factual support, graphically representing the black side of unjustified anonymous character assasination.
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Yeah, he's an a$$
 
kemajic said:
Gerry Faust was a classic winner before he got to Notre Dame. How did that work out?
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Urban meyer was a classic winner before he got to UF, how did that work out? Nick Saban at LSU or UA?
 
Urban Meyer had won at the big time level before he went to Florida, Gerry Faust had not, there is a BIG difference.
 
It's pointless arguing against the Caroll faction. They want MVD* to coach at UM for some crazy reason. I would think him leaving would have a negative impact on the Caroll program, but they don't seem to care. They have an insatiable desire to infiltrate the Griz program.

Try talking to their fans some time. 50% think they would give the Griz a game down to the wire. 50% think they would beat the Griz and they all think their players were unfairly snubbed by UM and should be starting there.

I didn't like MVD* because of the roid allegations against his program and his inherent arrogant jerkyness (that most UM fans are pretty sick of at this point). Now I have a reason to actually despise him. I challenge anyone who is unfamiliar with the incident of the Caroll player that killed himself after being accused of assaulting a female student to read up on it and come away with a positive impression of MVD* or Caroll as a school or a program.

Also, if you think my OPINIONS are "character assassination", you must have missed the posts NOT BY ME that put MVD* "at the scene of the crime", so to speak.

I don't want the guy at UM, I stated my reasons, if you don't like it ignore me.

See if I care.
 
djollieballs said:
It's pointless arguing against the Caroll faction. They want MVD* to coach at UM for some crazy reason. I would think him leaving would have a negative impact on the Caroll program, but they don't seem to care. They have an insatiable desire to infiltrate the Griz program.

Try talking to their fans some time. 50% think they would give the Griz a game down to the wire. 50% think they would beat the Griz and they all think their players were unfairly snubbed by UM and should be starting there.

I didn't like MVD* because of the roid allegations against his program and his inherent arrogant jerkyness (that most UM fans are pretty sick of at this point). Now I have a reason to actually despise him. I challenge anyone who is unfamiliar with the incident of the Caroll player that killed himself after being accused of assaulting a female student to read up on it and come away with a positive impression of MVD* or Caroll as a school or a program.

Also, if you think my OPINIONS are "character assassination", you must have missed the posts NOT BY ME that put MVD* "at the scene of the crime", so to speak.

I don't want the guy at UM, I stated my reasons, if you don't like it ignore me.

See if I care.
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djolie,

Here is another question for you that I am sure you will ignore because it is to hard for you to answer....

Why do you believe some random posters "roid allegations", but you don't believe poster's that say there isn't roids running rampant?

Why do you think he is arrogant, when others say how great and personable he is?

Why do you despise him over something he had nothing to do with when a girl accused a player of ALLEGEDLY raping her when he says it was consensual?

I know you are just a troll on these boards and you are just looking for a fight, but i am interested in what Van Diest did to you that makes you not like him. I have a feeling we all know, but it would be nice to hear it from you.

PS- Van Diest isn't going to apply for the job and Carroll will be winning more championships. Good luck to the Griz faithful in finding a great replacement for Hauck...
 
Liquor up front! said:
Why do you believe some random posters "roid allegations", but you don't believe poster's that say there isn't roids running rampant?
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Many different people have heard it independently -- and I didn't impugn that coach's integrity, recruiting ability or anything else. I did say that he might not run a tight ship. The differences between the NCAA and NAIA testing policy are fair game in that light.

I was never a Hauck hater. But is there any poster here who is willing to go out on a limb and say that the public image of the Griz program is NOT in need of improvement? Better to hire a coach without skeletons (or assrapers) in his closet at the get go. Not when there are 10 or more equally (or greater) qualified candidates beating down O'Day's door.
 
Does this board have any Admin supervision at all?!? You allow trolls to post lies and poorly conceived innuendo that in the real world would be nothing less than defamation? Do you really want recruits reading this crap?
 

by kemajic on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:43 am

Gerry Faust was a classic winner before he got to Notre Dame. How did that work out?
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Faust coached at Cincinnati Moeller High School before he went to ND. It was a hugely foolish choice to take a High School coach. Classic winner, yes. As a high school coach.
 
Grizchew said:
Does this board have any Admin supervision at all?!? You allow trolls to post lies and poorly conceived innuendo that in the real world would be nothing less than defamation? Do you really want recruits reading this crap?
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david...is that you?
 
LakGriz said:

by kemajic on Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:43 am

Gerry Faust was a classic winner before he got to Notre Dame. How did that work out?
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Faust coached at Cincinnati Moeller High School before he went to ND. It was a hugely foolish choice to take a High School coach. Classic winner, yes. As a high school coach.
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The level of play at Cincinnati Moeller HS is how different than NAIA? It's was probably higher, particularly in the Faust years.
 
Grizchew said:
Does this board have any Admin supervision at all?!? You allow trolls to post lies and poorly conceived innuendo that in the real world would be nothing less than defamation? Do you really want recruits reading this crap?
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It's called "freedom of speech" and if recruits are turned off by what a bunch of dorks, myself included, post on a message board, it is highly probable that they do not have the mental toughness to come play here.
 
the lack of drug testing makes the naia a very good brand of football. i would rank it equal to, if not better than ncaa div 2. the level of talent may not be as good as we get coming out of high school, but when you leave it up to the players to use, then a big chunk of them are going to do it and they become stronger and faster because of it. this is one reason i'm against playing them. they should put in a drug testing program before any ncaa program gives them a game. i don't think it takes away from what carroll has done, because the rest of the naia is using, too, so it's a level playing field in sad and pathetic kind of way. the naia is such a clandestine organization that i don't think anyone really cares what goes on there. would be interesting to see espn's outside the lines look into it. i'm sure we'd see a lot of people squirm, well the few that agree to interview that is.

we don't need a big naia scandal after we hire van diest that is going to follow him here.
 
RobGriz said:
Grizchew said:
Does this board have any Admin supervision at all?!? You allow trolls to post lies and poorly conceived innuendo that in the real world would be nothing less than defamation? Do you really want recruits reading this crap?
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It's called "freedom of speech" and if recruits are turned off by what a bunch of dorks, myself included, post on a message board, it is highly probable that they do not have the mental toughness to come play here.
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Freedom of speech only extends so far. Some examples of its limitations are pornography, hate speech, and defamation. Take a frickin' law class. The only difference between the online world and the real world is that here you're allowed to hide behind you anonymity, which will protect you against most libel suits since most don't want to put in the effort. But when you approach the level of some of the comments on this board you're treading in very dangerous waters. I would suggest that Admins on this board become a bit more proactive (like every other legitimate online forum) before they land themselves in a mess of trouble.
 
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